How'd they make that flag...

BillyJoe said:
I was just sent an email from JREF saying.....

"no one in particular has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to"
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The other day, a thread with the title “Why” had been started in Banter. For a while the only reply was from “No Answers”.

It amused me. ;)
 
No Answers: You did read what I wrote about rattling cages, right?

PixyMisa: That wasn't rattling cages, that was trolling. And low-grade trolling at that.

No Answers: At that, describe high-grade trolling for me please.
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[hee hee] Nice try.
 
xouper said:
[hee hee] Nice try.
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there's a knock at the door. You open it up, there's noone there.

there's another knock at the door. You open it up, there's noone there again.

there's a knock at the door.
 
Pete and Repete were walking down a bridge, Pete fell off. Who was left?

Pete and Repete were walking down a bridge, Pete fell off. Who was left?

Pete and Repete were walking down a bridge, Pete fell off. Who was left?
 
The biggest problem I have with the flag argument is that the hoax claimants are being illogical. On the one hand, the think that a conspiracy so massive and well executed was staged - clearly the stagers were brilliant, yet, they were to stupid to notice the flag waving in the warehouse breeze.

Directors, editors and producers get paid to notice things like flags waving in a vaccuum or that Annette's boobs are getting too big for her sweater.
 
PixyMisa said:
On a purely technical or scientific basis, there wasn't much point sending men to the moon at that time. From a human standpoint, though, it was way cool.
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I understand that as a result of Apollo, technological pay-offs have been worth roughly seven times the amount of money spent on Apollo in the first place.

This doesn't mean Apollo was intended to achieve this pay-off, but has been a pleasant side-effect. A range of technologies which became available in the 1980s might not have emerged even now if they hadn't been fast-tracked for Apollo.

And that's one of the benefits of large engineering projects - it focusses a lot of attention on technological improvements which will usually benefit people in the long run, even if at first the projects look like pointless oneupmanship.

But one final comment in this little rant (rantette?): in the early 1960s, people *were* inspired by Apollo. And a lot of the world *did* stop to watch Apollo 11. It's a little unfair to judge events of time gone by using today's standards. By the standards of the time, Apollo was definitely worthwhile.
 
Well, Apollo put food on my table - Dad worked for North American. Thanks, America!

(Then again, so did the Cold War, so I guess that's thanks to Russia, too.)
 
no one in particular said:
Yes, but it was not done for the human standpoint or the scientific standpoint. It was purely political…had to beat the commies!
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From a purely scientific standpoint it was the most economical way at the time to gather the data. Currently? I don't know. I suspect unmanned would be cheaper, but it's not completely clear. In ten years, barring some breakthrough in space travel, i think unmanned would clearly win on almost all counts.

However, I agree. Scientific returns weren't the justification for the missions.
 
Answer: It had a spring in the top.

More interesting question:- Why would we feel the need to take a flag to the moon in the first place? So the wagon train would know the cavalry had arrived?
 
Soapy Sam said:
More interesting question:- Why would we feel the need to take a flag to the moon in the first place? So the wagon train would know the cavalry had arrived?
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It probably stemmed from the subtle political grandeur that was emminent in the rest of the mission, in that "America is better than the Soviets".
 
I'm sure you are right. We came in peace for all mankind, but left a national flag. I don't question the right of the U.S. to take pride in the achievement, but I always felt the flag was superfluous. The footprints were enough.
 
UnrepentantSinner said:
Directors, editors and producers get paid to notice things like flags waving in a vaccuum or that Annette's boobs are getting too big for her sweater.
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And yet, there is probably not a movie in existance which doesn't have its fair share of continuity errors.

As to the flag waving, I remember hearing back in 1969 (maybe from Wlater Cronkite) that there was a wire inside the flag to hold it in place, and to simulate rippling in the "wind".
 
garys_2k said:

Any wave transmitted through the fabric would not depend on air for that transmission, in fact air would impede it. If you extend a rope along the ground, pick up one end and give it a shake do you think the wave you propogate down the rope depends on air? It doesn't.
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But in that case wouldn't it keep vibrating over and over again with no air to stop it?

Or does the ground and the small layer of dust absorb the vibration of the pole? The pole would probably absorb the vibration of the flag somewhat and stop it eventualy when the ground absorbs the vibration of the pole?

Am I making any sense?

UnrepentantSinner said:
Directors, editors and producers get paid to notice things like flags waving in a vaccuum or that Annette's boobs are getting too big for her sweater.
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Who's annette? And how was that problem remedied? :rolleyes:

-INRM
 
INRM said:


But in that case wouldn't it keep vibrating over and over again with no air to stop it?

Or does the ground and the small layer of dust absorb the vibration of the pole? The pole would probably absorb the vibration of the flag somewhat and stop it eventualy when the ground absorbs the vibration of the pole?

Am I making any sense?



Who's annette? And how was that problem remedied? :rolleyes:

-INRM
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It's called structural damping- it is intrinsic to any material-and in fact, cloth has relatively high damping factor. any vibration will die (damp) out in a short period of time. The stiffer and more homogenous the material, the less damping, but it is still there. for bolted/riveted/ welded steel/aluminum, 2% (.02) of critical is a good value...

RW
 
So get yourself a 3' X 5' flag, & a flagpole and rod like the astronauts used. Set it up in your backyard, and see if you can get your Apollo flag to act like the ones on the moon do.

Bet you can't.
 
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