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Axxman300 said:
That's just embarrassing.

Sounds like someone successfully proved he's a fraud and he has an ax to grind with the pesky science that brought him down.

We're talking about a guy who doesn't know the difference between a spirit and a ghost, and I don't buy the language barrier either. That knowledge is Woo-101. You'd think he'd take advantage of this forum to engage in an honest debate to, at the very least, understand the weakest parts of his argument and avoid them in later debates. We see this down in the conspiracy theory board where CTists focus on a narrow band of a conspiracy theory to attempt to prove their point while avoiding the whole picture which leads to the theory falling apart.
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I don't know that I would make a distinction myself, except to say they're both BS.
 
Hellbound said:
Well, spirits are distilled, rather than just fermented, and typically have alcohol contents ranging from 20% to 80%.

Can't speak to ghosts, though.
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Ghosts are caused by a horizontal offset of a duplicate video signal, usually a result of the same signal being received via two different paths, such that one is delayed.
 
JayUtah said:
I find it hard to believe the medium drew a recognizable portrait.........
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I am now going to show my amazing clairvoyant skills. Using just a pair of scissors and a sheet of black paper, I am going to draw a recognisable portrait of someone on the forum.

Here goes......

cut cut cut....snip...snip snip.....consult with spirits....... cut cut cut....snip...snip snip.....drink some spirits.......cut cut cut....snip...snip snip.....consult with spirits....... cut cut cut....snip...snip snip.....

Ta Da!

I have now drawn a recognisable portrait of every male member of the forum. Take that skeptics!!!!!!
 

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Matthew Ellard said:
I am now going to show my amazing clairvoyant skills. Using just a pair of scissors and a sheet of black paper, I am going to draw a recognisable portrait of someone on the forum.

Here goes......

cut cut cut....snip...snip snip.....consult with spirits....... cut cut cut....snip...snip snip.....drink some spirits.......cut cut cut....snip...snip snip.....consult with spirits....... cut cut cut....snip...snip snip.....

Ta Da!

I have now drawn a recognisable portrait of every male member of the forum. Take that skeptics!!!!!!
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Close. But my ears are bigger. Come to think of it, it does look amazingly like my dead brother. You are good! :eek:
 
alfaniner said:
I don't know that I would make a distinction myself, except to say they're both BS.
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Treat it like Vulans and Romulans, they don't exist either but within the context of the Star Trek world they share common things but are very different.

Ghosts used to be living people who are either trapped or chose to "stay behind" for a variety of reasons.

Spirits were never human: demons, angels, succubi, fairies, leprechauns, harpies, and so on.

None of them are real so you guys don't need to know this stuff, but if you're some New Age crystal healer/psychic/spiritualist it's something you should know.

And yes, some paranormal researchers will split hairs on the definitions saying some spirits are "Elementals" (which don't exist either).
 
Axxman300 said:
Treat it like Vulans and Romulans, they don't exist either but within the context of the Star Trek world they share common things but are very different.

Ghosts used to be living people who are either trapped or chose to "stay behind" for a variety of reasons.

Spirits were never human: demons, angels, succubi, fairies, leprechauns, harpies, and so on.

None of them are real so you guys don't need to know this stuff, but if you're some New Age crystal healer/psychic/spiritualist it's something you should know.

And yes, some paranormal researchers will split hairs on the definitions saying some spirits are "Elementals" (which don't exist either).
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While accepting that arguing about the definitions of fictional entities is ultimately futile...

Spirits: Supernatural entities that are either non-corporeal permanently or able to manifest from a non-corporeal state.

Ghost: A subset of spirits that also had, has or will have a non supernatural existence.
 
The languages that derive from Latin seem to use their variant of spiritus when they need to talk about disembodied life, especially in the religious context. In those same contexts, German uses Geist universally, both as a secularish term for the agent of haunting, and in the trinitarian sense -- heiliger Geist.

Since English seems to have been composed by luring other languages into dark alleys and robbing them of bits of grammar, English uses both Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit relatively interchangeably for identifying the member of the Trinity. I honestly don't see a problem for a non English speaker to ask what nuances of meaning there might be between two words that we often interchange. And I have no objection to a taxonomy we might choose to impose, if we propose to have a discussion where any difference has meaning (even a hypothetical meaning).
 
For a entity of any type to create a change in ambient temperature or appear on film or digital media it has to be a measurable force.
It has affected something be detected.

But yet believers claim they are somehow beyond sciences. Anomaly in equipment and a person " understanding " just what actually happened is more probable. Beliefs fill in missing data.
 
I believe the word Ghosts applies to manifestations of a psychic energy trace left behind by people who passed that way, like ghosts walking the battlements of castles and the corridors of old houses. They may be seen by living people but the ghost will make no response if you try and interact with them, they just continue on their way. Because there is nobody there, just a trace of the energy they left behind.
But a spirit is a living entity, who is conscious and inhabits the spirit body.
 
Scorpion said:
I believe the word Ghosts applies to manifestations of a psychic energy trace left behind by people who passed that way, like ghosts walking the battlements of castles and the corridors of old houses. They may be seen by living people but the ghost will make no response if you try and interact with them, they just continue on their way. Because there is nobody there, just a trace of the energy they left behind.
But a spirit is a living entity, who is conscious and inhabits the spirit body.
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As far as an in-universe explanation of the difference goes, this doesn't seem too bad.
 
William Parcher said:
Does it eat and drink and poop and pee?
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I believe spirits can eat, and they absorb energy from such food as fruit.
But I have no inside info on the matter of excreting waste. I seem to have the idea they do not, but I can't remember where I got that from.
 
JayUtah said:
As far as an in-universe explanation of the difference goes, this doesn't seem too bad.
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That's pretty much the "standard" in urban fantasy fiction (like Scorpion's fictional spirituality). Ghosts are usually "echos" and "psychic remnants" whilst spirits are usually at least partly conscious and interact with people.

It would be quite funny to think that that distinction grew out of English adopting two words rather than the one other languages use. Do most other languages only have a singular word for "ghosts/spirits"?
 
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