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How to Analyze Cryptid Assertions

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Northern Lights
I made a red circle on your photo
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You see that damage on the tree?
In 3 or 4 years that will be 8-10 foot off the ground, and beetles or ants will get in there and weaken the tree. It will break at that location, with the right wind.

That is how you get breaks at 8-10' off the ground, not a giant hairy apeman deciding to block a trail.

Alaska Bush Pilot had some epic examples of moose rubbed trees breaking off 15' high or more from the damage their antlers do to trees when the tree is small.

Tree breaks are an EPIC fail for bigfootry. It is a classic example of Bigfootry trying to manufacture evidence to support their beliefs.

Heck, we were knocking over huge trees in Boy Scouts at the age of 12 or 13 and making giant structures in the woods, just for the hell of it. We didn't need a reason. So you can't say "Why would anyone break a tree and stack it like that? it must be Bigfoot". We didn't need a reason. We just did it. Humans terraform the area around them. And this doesn't even mention the fact that trees break, and percentages tell us that some of those trees are going to fall over a trail, or break 10' off the ground. You don't need a Bigfoot to explain things that you don't understand.
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Now here's a classic example of someone trying to explain something they're not qualified to explain.

You think trees grow from the bottom? Geez, news flash, trees grow from the top. Have you ever seen any fence rows with woven wire fence attached to trees, sprout up and take the wire fence 8 feet in the air? Ridiculous.
Chris B.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Absolutely they exist in KY.
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Bald assertion.


I didn't know there were any 'experts' in Bigfoot Research? I was of the opinion that most times evidence is evaluated by those who aren't even qualified to do so. Chris B.
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You're correct as there are no experts in this fantasy. It's make it up as you go.
 
ChrisBFRPKY said:
Now here's a classic example of someone trying to explain something they're not qualified to explain.

You think trees grow from the bottom? Geez, news flash, trees grow from the top. Have you ever seen any fence rows with woven wire fence attached to trees, sprout up and take the wire fence 8 feet in the air? Ridiculous.
Chris B.
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No you are right, I thought ABP said the damaged moved up, but he did not. The Moose doing the damage on these trees were tall enough to make it break at that level.

Here is the post

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10016072&postcount=168
 
Drewbot said:
No you are right, . . .
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'Footers and other pseudoscience advocates take note: this is how a good critical thinker responds when an error in his logic or assumptions is pointed out. Try it sometime.

(For a related bit of fun, take some city people out to a recreation area with a man-made lake. At times of year when the water is drawn down you can find beaver gnawings 20' off the ground. It's fun to point this out and suggest there are giant beavers roaming around or that beavers climb trees to get to the best wood!)
 
The Shrike said:
(For a related bit of fun, take some city people out to a recreation area with a man-made lake. At times of year when the water is drawn down you can find beaver gnawings 20' off the ground. It's fun to point this out and suggest there are giant beavers roaming around or that beavers climb trees to get to the best wood!)
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They absolutely exist in Kentucky.
 
I'm Canadian. Some of my best friends in high school had giant beavers. A giant beaver in the hand is worth two in the bush.
 
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^^ At first I thought you meant the town of Winona, Ontario, Canada. Perhaps something like a famous groundhog that some towns boast.

Or maybe an old class mate of yours. ;)
 
Oops, I spelled her name wrong.
 

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Northern Lights said:
Few are forthcoming because few are doing it. In my opinion.
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Taking you at face value, my mind gets blown by the fact that after seemingly listening and paying attention to everything that's been said and discussed by the formidable brain trust here, you've yet to be swayed even an iota that Bigfoot is only make-believe. How does that work exactly? How can you discount everything that's said here and keep the straight face? Are you pretending?
 
Dinwar said:
But that's ignoring the context; we all do goofy things. I've got two books on dragon taxonomy; it's sometimes fun to do something entirely frivolous in a very serious manner.
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An old roommate and I once devised a taxonomy of all the inanimate objects in our house (well, as many as we could before the beer ran out).

It led to questions like:
"Is the microwave's resemblance to the T.V. convergent, or do they share a recent common ancestor?"

"Is a gas stove more closely aligned with the furnace than it is a toaster oven?"

Plus, there is the whole remote control problem to deal with.
 
Drewbot said:
Northern Lights
I made a red circle on your photo
[qimg]http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1024x768q90/538/qTZ3xz.jpg[/qimg]

You see that damage on the tree?
In 3 or 4 years that will be 8-10 foot off the ground, and beetles or ants will get in there and weaken the tree.
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Haven't read the whole thread.... for the record, bigfoot is dumb.

But this assertion is incorrect. Trees grow from places called meristems. They have two different types of meristems -- lateral (the way the tree grows "fatter") and apical (the way the tree grows taller).

That wound is going to be the same height for the life of the tree.

ETA: Sorry, didn't see it had already been addressed by ChrisBFRPKY.
 
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HarryHenderson said:
Taking you at face value, my mind gets blown by the fact that after seemingly listening and paying attention to everything that's been said and discussed by the formidable brain trust here, you've yet to be swayed even an iota that Bigfoot is only make-believe. How does that work exactly? How can you discount everything that's said here and keep the straight face? Are you pretending?
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Give me a plausible explanation for seeing a heat signature through a thermal for 15 minutes that was over 8 feet tall, going through thick forest without a light source, and I'll listen. So far, the only thing anyone has said is I'm lying. Well, I'm not lying and I'm not pretending.

Until you've had the same experience I've had, or until someone puts up a specimen, you and all of your cohorts here will not accept what I know, and that's fine. I have no aspirations to turning you to the dark side.
 
Northern Lights said:
Give me a plausible explanation for seeing a heat signature through a thermal for 15 minutes that was over 8 feet tall, going through thick forest without a light source, and I'll listen. So far, the only thing anyone has said is I'm lying. Well, I'm not lying and I'm not pretending.

Until you've had the same experience I've had, or until someone puts up a specimen, you and all of your cohorts here will not accept what I know, and that's fine. I have no aspirations to turning you to the dark side.
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Do you have a recording of this event that could be reviewed?
 
I want to hear Alec Baldwin on SNL, with a bushy moustache, saying:

"A-B-B-, A - ALWAYS, B- BE, B- BIGFOOTING"
&
"PUT THE COFFEE DOWN, COFFEE IS FOR BIGFOOTERS"
 
Northern Lights said:
Give me a plausible explanation for seeing a heat signature through a thermal for 15 minutes that was over 8 feet tall, going through thick forest without a light source, and I'll listen. So far, the only thing anyone has said is I'm lying. Well, I'm not lying and I'm not pretending.
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You were played is one explanation. You seem like a magicians dream

Until you've had the same experience I've had, or until someone puts up a specimen, you and all of your cohorts here will not accept what I know, and that's fine. I have no aspirations to turning you to the dark side.
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You don't know anything, you assert.
 
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