How the Shanksville Crater Was Made

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chris lz said:
Your argument is "this is a first."

How's this for a first:

-conspiracy targets rural grass for no fathomable reason, raising the 9/11 death toll by a hefty 2%.

-To convince everyone of a 757 crash, the forces that be tried hard not to make it look like a typical 757 crash.

-But they did this is such a way that the crash experts at the NTSB renowned for their crash expertness were easily fooled, every last one of them.

-But an admitted non-crash expert through his admitted non-crash expertness, and on only his argument this has never happened before can determine with absolute certainty the crash scene was staged.

-They managed to convince the 1100 recovery workers that a 757 crashed at the site, not a single one reporting any anomalies.

-Then they decided to plant numerous fake witnesses who reported seeing the plane itself.

-Then they decided to either create fake relatives by the dozens, or dupe fake relatives by the dozens with an unproven form of voice technology, also a "first."

-Then they faked the DNA

-Then they faked the radar tapes

-Then they faked the seismic stamp of the event

-Then they faked the black boxes

-Then they convinced everyone at United Airlines the flight never existed.

-Then they said to themsleves, "Wow, the death toll can now rise by a hefty2%."

-Now take F93, and multiply these unlikelihoods by a factor of at least 4 (3 other staged events) and by all the trouble to wire three buildings with explosives, causing another "first": the controlled demolition of 3 skyscrapers taller than any previous demolition.

-These events happen in broad daylight for maximum media documentation.



Which of these two "firsts" is more plausible to you?
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"YEAH BUT!"

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abaddon said:
Good grief. All of the scattered surface debris would be the very first thing to be removed. You don't just chunder in with a backhoe to start digging in the crater straight away, wrecking the surface debris evidence.

Can you not see that?
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Good grief. You're trying to say all the images I posted were captured after they combed the whole area for body parts and debris? Do tell...who gave the memo to the media to hold back for a couple weeks?
 
yankee451 said:
It disappeared into the ground, wings and all, even the huge 757 tail was 15 feet underground. Not at the bottom of a muddy crater but the jet was BURIED UNDER GROUND.

They're not the same crash. Not even close.
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No, the aircraft did not completely disappear under ground. You can repeat this BS all you want, but it certainly does not make it true.

BTW, name me two air crashes that were the same.
 
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yankee451 said:
As I've said before, all the other high speed crashes show lots of debris from the air. They didn't have to dig them up far from the curious eyes of onlookers. They were visible all around.
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How many other air crashes have happened at the same speed, and the same attitude?
 
GlennB said:
Beachnut and others have supplied many photos taken soon after the event that show large amounts of aircraft debris scattered over a wide area.

Some of your photos above could very well have been taken just after, but are from an altitude and of a resolution that the debris wouldn't be visible in the photo.Why this impresses you is a mystery. I might as well present a photo of a football pitch and use it to argue that the world is flat ....
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Caspian 7908 - huge crater in soft farmland:

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Caspian-7908.png

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Caspian-7908-tail.png

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/debris.png

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/engine-part.png


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PSA 1771 - mach 1.2 almost twice the speed as 93 made a 2x4 foot crater:

http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/17711.png
 
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yankee451 said:
Good grief. You're trying to say all the images I posted were captured after they combed the whole area for body parts and debris? Do tell...who gave the memo to the media to hold back for a couple weeks?
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All reality is staged.
 
Bunch of guys hanging out at Shanksville.


Missile debris in the crater...not much else:
http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/no-debris1.png



Hey guys, the jet's behind you:
http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/shanksville12.jpg



Intel employees out on a stroll, casually looking at missile debrs.
http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/no-debris-3.jpg




A nice pristine lawn:
http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/no-debris-4.jpg



Rescue crew or smoke machine operators? Without a plane and nothing to burn, what's billowing smoke?
http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/gallery3-41.jpg

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Yankee,

Continuing on a theme of flight 710, do you have any thoughts if its wings might have conceivably become buried as well, had they remained attached to the fuselage?
 
chris lz said:
Yankee,

Continuing on a theme of flight 710, do you have any thoughts if its wings might have conceivably become buried as well, had they remained attached to the fuselage?
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Doubt it, they couldn't even stay connected in air. Thinkaboudit.
 
yankee451 said:
Bunch of guys hanging out at Shanksville.


Missile debris in the crater...not much else:

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/no-debris1.png[/qimg]
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Flt93 was carrying missiles? Thanks, I didn’t know that.
 
yankee451 said:
Doubt it, they couldn't even stay connected in air. Thinkaboudit.
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In addition we have that familiar analogy which provides so many parallels here - PSA flight 1771 - an even higher speed dive that failed to rip the wings off. So here's my next question. Had PSA flight 1771 crashed in Tel City, Indiana instead of California, in your view of all things physics, could ITS wings have conceivably burrowed out of sight into the same soil that swallowed up so much of flight 710?

Thanks IA for your reply.

Chris
 
Your hypothetical interrogation is a waste of time and typing.
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My preference is to parse each factor separately first.

You have made or implied a number of debatable statements, among them

1-saturated soil is required for the substantial burying of an airplane wreck

2-wings and fuselage burying themselves in theory is not possible

3-the lack of visible wreckage from above precludes a flight 93-caused
crater

4-it being winter and near a waterway is a necessary condition to reproduce
a F710-type crater

I'm trying to figure out which if any of these statements is justifiable before concluding anything.

Are you saying it's a waste of time and typing to ask for the basis of your opinion on each claim? Or are they written in incontrovertible stone?
 
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yankee451 said:
Doubt it, they couldn't even stay connected in air. Thinkaboudit.
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Wrong! Google Paul Klipsch, Spitfire. If the wings of asn aircraft are intasct, they will penetrate to about the same depth as the fuselage on a nose-in strike.
 
yankee451 said:
Bunch of guys hanging out at Shanksville.


Missile debris in the crater...not much else:

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/no-debris1.png[/qimg]

Hey guys, the jet's behind you:

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/shanksville12.jpg[/qimg]

Intel employees out on a stroll, casually looking at missile debrs.

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/no-debris-3.jpg[/qimg]

A nice pristine lawn:

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/no-debris-4.jpg[/qimg]

Rescue crew or smoke machine operators? Without a plane and nothing to burn, what's billowing smoke?

[qimg]http://yankee451.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/gallery3-41.jpg[/qimg]
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The trouble with this is that the photos you have selected are not useful equivalents to the Caspian 7908 ones above. Only one of them shows any of the ground downrange of the direction the jet was travelling when it struck, and that's such a distant shot that it would be hard to identify anything as debris. Still, the ground between the crater and the trees certainly appears to be peppered with bright spots of something. Perhaps it's just the cleanup crew's sandwich wrappers. I expect concealing missile debris is hungry work. What do you reckon?
 
swright777 said:
Yep. Just like in Shanksville.
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Not true, as shown in the large amount of photos you're ignoring.

Your denial isn't helping your case.

If there was any debris around the crater, as shown in EVERY OTHER HIGH SPEED CRASH, you have the floor. Show me.
 
yankee451 said:
Not true, as shown in the large amount of photos you're ignoring.

Your denial isn't helping your case.

If there was any debris around the crater, as shown in EVERY OTHER HIGH SPEED CRASH, you have the floor. Show me.
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Why are you lying? There was debris found around the crash site. one was part of an engine for a start.
 
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