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How powerful is human immune system?

Do you think the body can cure itself of incurable diseases?

  • yes

    Votes: 8 5.7%
  • no

    Votes: 133 94.3%

  • Total voters
    141
Let's see you take the initiative to do this test for proof. You get me an HIV virus and I will let you inject me with it.

First problem is, you have no idea what an HIV virus is, what it looks like, how to catch one or anyone who has every really seen one! For all practical purpose there is no such thing as an HIV virus just hearsay but I welcome you to prove me wrong.

You catch one in your little net, blood sample or whatever you need to infect me and we will do your little test. You will find they are more elusive than you have been taught! :)
Sorry, but I will not participate in something likely to cause death to another. You will have to do your demonstration without my help.

IXP
 
I'm guessing that ShareCures is from India. I'm also guessing that s/he had no education beyond highschool.

I just wanted to get these on "paper" so I can see if I'm right.

ETA: Is anyone else noticing a bit of a messiah complex here?
 
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I'm not hear to learn from you. I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. I am here to see if any of you wish to learn from me.
Why the heck would anyone want to learn from someone who has no idea what he is talking about?
No your discredit of me comes from the simple fact that you have not seen me on CNN. Your loss. You won't see cures outside of medicine being investigated in mainstream media period. So your discrediting my claims because you are blissfully unaware of the body's ability to cure diseases said to be incurable is your own weakness not mine.
Uh...your own nonsense discredits your claims. No help is needed from anyone.
When it come to medicine and your medical proof, your right hand has no idea what your left hand is doing. As such you have no proof only theoretical conclusions based on hearsay. I'm not trying to offend you just letting you know that I am not as easily manipulated as others. I'm a show me kind of guy. If you say there is a virus, you show me it is a virus by showing me it is not a fungus, bacteria, mold or other. But first you must teach me from scratch so my right hand knows what my left hand does.
No. Go pick up a beginner's textbook on microbiology. Your ignorance is not an excuse to preach idiocy.

The point is no one knows what is or what isn't a virus. They only know what they are told is or isn't. But it doesn't matter because the body does not care if it is or isn't a virus, it can cure all pathogens. I was just pointing out how there are no actual fact in medicine that all conclusions are based om hearsay.
No. I've worked with viruses and I've worked in an actual lab doing actual sciencey things. Your own ignorance is not evidence of other's.
 
I don't joke about cures. I will happily take on the FDA, AMA and all of you who prevent people from understanding their immune response! That is my life's work. For 15 years I have been proving cures for incurable diseases exist and for 15 years I have been ignored my the media and medicine

Well, I guess you aren't intentionally joking, but it's quite amusing nonetheless.

Why don't you link to some of the papers you've published on this subject so we can read through them? I'm certain you've done a lot of scientifically detailed studies in your 15 years, surely your rigorous methodology would do more to sway the opinions of forum members than untethered claims.

Why don't you explain your process. I'm betting it is highly entertaining as well. Do I meditate? Or staple magnets to my scrotum? How do I get my immune system rolling?
 
Well, I guess you aren't intentionally joking, but it's quite amusing nonetheless.

Why don't you link to some of the papers you've published on this subject so we can read through them? I'm certain you've done a lot of scientifically detailed studies in your 15 years, surely your rigorous methodology would do more to sway the opinions of forum members than untethered claims.

Why don't you explain your process. I'm betting it is highly entertaining as well. Do I meditate? Or staple magnets to my scrotum? How do I get my immune system rolling?
I do not recommend stapling magnets to your scrotum...duct tape will suffice.
 
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Do we have any reason to believe that nature has the capacity to plan anything? And if so, do we have any reason to believe that nature's plan favors the interests of Homo sapiens over, say, those of Escherichia coli?

I'd ask how an individual's "immune response" can "take care of" an entire family, but I'm afraid you'd try to explain it, so I'll just point out that it's just as absurd as the rest of your posts in this thread.

Do you believe you are inferior to e-coli? Do you believe that you are the only living animal incapable of adapting to your environment so that you can live healthy and disease free. Deer and elk do it all the time. Even e-coli can adapt but you question your own.

You see deer, elk and e-coli are not being bombarded by endless bogus propaganda. They adapt and heal because they do not know any better. Man on the other hand have been educated to disregard their immune response.

Look at the comments here. These are people who have been taught to flat out disregard their immune system and its immune response. They think they use all their natural immune functions because they think they use all their brain but they do not. They only use what they have been told to use and that isn't a whole lot.

Nature has the capacity to adapt, but nothing in humanity anymore thanks to corrupt medicine and science is natural or nature. Society is the opposite of natural.
 
Look at the comments here. These are people who have been taught to flat out disregard their immune system and its immune response.
This is a blatant lie. Immunologist prove you wrong.
They think they use all their natural immune functions because they think they use all their brain but they do not. They only use what they have been told to use and that isn't a whole lot.
I'm sorry but my multitude of neuroscience papers trump your unevidenced and ignorance claims.
Nature has the capacity to adapt, but nothing in humanity anymore thanks to corrupt medicine and science is natural or nature. Society is the opposite of natural.
What an amusing word salad with no meaning and less facts.
 
A common piece of misinformation used to sell "natural" cures is the fact that the body is indeed well equipped to deal with pathogens, but not impervious. The snake oil salesmen that peddle this bunk will portray the immune system in a Tim Taylor sort of way, hinting that it just needs "more power" and it can deal with anything. They completely disregard the workings of apoptosis and programmed cell death, drawing baseless conclusions that the immune system is controlled by the brain and thus using more of our brains will make us more immune.

Then they bait you into believing it by demonizing pharmaceuticals in order to lend credibility to their method. The vast majority of regular people harbor some sort of paranoia that there is a huge sinister plot going on behind the scenes somewhere, so the anti-pharma propaganda is an easy sell.
 
Well, I guess you aren't intentionally joking, but it's quite amusing nonetheless.

Why don't you link to some of the papers you've published on this subject so we can read through them? I'm certain you've done a lot of scientifically detailed studies in your 15 years, surely your rigorous methodology would do more to sway the opinions of forum members than untethered claims.

Why don't you explain your process. I'm betting it is highly entertaining as well. Do I meditate? Or staple magnets to my scrotum? How do I get my immune system rolling?

There are no grants for cures outside of medicine. There is no group created to validate cures outside of medicine. There is no mainstream media capable of reporting on cures outside of medicine. In short if you contradict medicine you are on your own. I welcome anyone to prove me wrong.

As for articles and discussions I have hundreds all across the internet. My claims go completely undisputed because if they can dispute part of my claims it will expose far too much or their corruption.

I could post my website if that helps. It directs people to links and articles.
 
Why India? There are plenty of lunatics in the US as well.

There are some regularly occurring grammatical errors that lead me to believe that english is his/her second language.

I chose India because I've heard similar rantings from Indian faith healers.

I'm just guessing. I'm usually wrong so this is mostly for me to perhaps cure me of my tendency to generalize.
 
As I said professor, you believe disease to be genetic, you also believe the body attacks itself and creates harmful cells. This is how you distract the masses from the truth.

Wrong. You clearly do not understand what disease means. Any condition that impairs your normal body function is in fact a disease. And yes genetic diseases do exist, including cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia, porphyria, Huntington disease which are so common you cannot deny their existence.

There are no genetic diseases only pathogens passed from one generation to the next because all pathogens are contagious.

Wrong. I wouldn't call opportunistic pathogens "contagious" because they exist and live with you since very early in your life and live happily with you throughout your entire life until you become immuno-compromised, which is when they start to cause damage to your body.

That's right the body does not attack itself. Only a doctor would believe that something as amazing as the body is that counter productive.

Wrong. Your immune system attacks anything it recognizes as "foreign" and has the capacity to attack almost any existing and non-existing, nature or synthetic antigens as long as they are recognized as "foreign."

Your immune system (lymphocytes) has the capacity to attack any "self" antigens but they are killed during their development. So anything goes wrong in that process can cause these "self-aggressive" lymphocytes to survive and start attacking your own body.

Also, uncontrolled release of inflammatory cytokines also cause substantial damage to your body. Meningitis causes damage not because the bacteria (N. meningitidis) produce toxin that damages the body, but that when they die they release large amount of lipopolysaccharide (an essential component of Gram Negative bacteria) which results in your white blood cells releasing huge amount of inflammatory cytokines that eventually damage your body (think allergy).

So yes, something as amazing as your body does attack itself and they have been exploited by many types of pathogens for their advantages.

Medicine is the cause of all disease, especially western medicine. You will notice that outside of western medicine there is no such thing as cancer.

That's right, cancer is non existent in wildlife and it is non existent in livestock. This is because the good doctors do not effect wildlife and the medicine sees to it that livestock does not have cancer. ;)

Wrong. You don't realize there is such a field as veterinary oncology do you?

In fact, the Tasmanian Devils are on the brink of extinction because they are plagued by a type of cancer known as Devil facial tumour disease. It is estimated that they will go into extinction if we cannot find a cure for them in time.
 
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There are no grants for cures outside of medicine. There is no group created to validate cures outside of medicine. There is no mainstream media capable of reporting on cures outside of medicine. In short if you contradict medicine you are on your own. I welcome anyone to prove me wrong.

As for articles and discussions I have hundreds all across the internet. My claims go completely undisputed because if they can dispute part of my claims it will expose far too much or their corruption.

I could post my website if that helps. It directs people to links and articles.

Miracle Mineral Supplement anyone.
 
There are no grants for cures outside of medicine. There is no group created to validate cures outside of medicine. There is no mainstream media capable of reporting on cures outside of medicine. In short if you contradict medicine you are on your own. I welcome anyone to prove me wrong.

As for articles and discussions I have hundreds all across the internet. My claims go completely undisputed because if they can dispute part of my claims it will expose far too much or their corruption.

I could post my website if that helps. It directs people to links and articles.

So that's a no. You haven't performed any rigorous studies or otherwise submitted your theory to skeptical testing.

I also find the idea that contradicting modern medicine makes you some kind of a rebel. The malpractice screening board in my state is required by statute to have a chiropractor sitting on it. The anti-science, alt-med community is thriving in this country and many others. You are not taking a stand any different from Jenny McCarthy and hundreds of thousands of others.

You just happened to share that view on a forum severely lacking in credulity.
 
There are no grants for cures outside of medicine. There is no group created to validate cures outside of medicine. There is no mainstream media capable of reporting on cures outside of medicine. In short if you contradict medicine you are on your own. I welcome anyone to prove me wrong.
Dr Barry Marshall and the Helicobacter Pylori story.
Got himself a nice Nobel Prize this kook did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall

As for articles and discussions I have hundreds all across the internet. My claims go completely undisputed because if they can dispute part of my claims it will expose far too much or their corruption.
So you have no much evidence that you can't provide any because it's too powerful to dispute...wow.

I could post my website if that helps. It directs people to links and articles.
Here comes the spam.
 
Damn I wish I didn't have to work today and come in so late on this thread :(

ShareCures:

Have you found a way to stop death and/or the aging process in their entirety?
 

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