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How powerful is human immune system?

Do you think the body can cure itself of incurable diseases?

  • yes

    Votes: 8 5.7%

  • no

    Votes: 133 94.3%
  • Total voters
    141
Passionate Lunacy

As the replies go on, it is certainly trending towards passionate lunacy.

As for incurable without medicine diseases, how about leprosy, syphilis, herpes simlex encephalitis, meningitis.
 
ShareCures said:
You catch one in your little net, blood sample or whatever you need to infect me and we will do your little test. You will find they are more elusive than you have been taught! :)
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Can we use ebola instead? The results will be a lot quicker that way.
 
OK I'll bite (I'm bored at the moment)

How exactly do you control your immune system then? What component have we been misled to believe to not exist?

And since you so firmly believe this ARE you willing to be injected with a deadly virus or ingest a pathogen? (Anthrax would be a good one)

Would you also care to explain why both my grandfather and an uncle in law decided that they wanted cancer?

And how have you come to the conclusion that virusses do not exist? I have the (according to you deluded) belief that a viruses exist because they have been isolated, the proteins and DNA analyzed and checked and their life cycle studied and reproduced.
In fact I have done so myself with bacterial viruses.
Since according to you such a thing is impossible could you explain to me why the cultures with the virus added lysed and the resulting supernatant became infecteous, while control cultures with the only difference being that no virus was added behaved normally? Did I lyse them with my mind?
 
ShareCures said:
Actually since proof is so important there is no proof that there is even such a thing as a herpes virus, just everyone taking it all in on faith. They test of antibodies and indication of what is said to be a virus but there is no way of detecting an actual virus through medical testing. Doctors have never seen the virus so you can't ask them for help. Lab tech only see one color of dye or another without seeing any actual virus.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Herpes_simplex_virus_TEM_B82-0474_lores.jpg

For all we know OBs thought to be herpes could be a fungus and nothing to do with any virus. Unfortunately for the argumentative types there is no way to prove herpes is a virus or a fungus.
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Except for the fact that we can detect it, photograph it, sequence its DNA, and it is a virus and it is not a fungus so you are, as always, categorically wrong.
 
ShareCures said:
TraneWreck, did you think I came here to hear myself discuss?

No I am here to discuss cures for incurable diseases and I can prove they exist. Giving me the benefit of the doubt, as such it obviously proves that medicine is either inferior or corrupt or both.

So why would I seek approval from something as inferior as medicine.

Medicine cannot touch the capacity of the human immune response. Medicine has no place in regards to cures. Cures simple kill the golden goose.
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No, you're just joking around. I hope you're enjoying yourself.

1350-no "Western Medicine," lots of immune systems. The Great Mortality almost destroyed the human species.

2010-"Western Medicine," lots of immune systems. Black Death has been completely controlled.

What's the difference?
 
Steven Howard said:
Intended by whom?
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Steven,

Very good question.

You personally can direct your immune response with great effectiveness and you can direct others with great effectiveness. BOOM you just discover the root of placebo.

Better yet a person can learn to direct their immune response and use it to take care of their whole family just as nature planned before technology took over.

I'm well aware how odd this sounds. Everything in your being exist from an educational system that says you are to subscribe to medicine and medicine only. Now with the same people in charge of western medicine also in charge of alternative medicine both have become completely useless when it comes to cures or prevention.

You must ask yourself how does a double blind placebo work. The person applying the "remedy" is directing the patients immune response, not the remedy. With out the ability to direct immune responses in other there would be no PLACEBO.

You can direct your own immune response and you can direct others.
 
Ixion said:
Paximperium, I think you might be misinformed. There are still two viruses that cause Simplex (type 1 and 2). They can both cause sores at the site of infection. Commonly, simplex 1 causes cold sores and simplex 2 causes genital lesions, but you can have genital lesions caused by simplex 1 and cold sores by simplex 2.
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Sorry I wasn't too clear. HSV subtypes cause both disease but HSV 1 used to be purely oral but has begun to cause a significant portion of genital herpes as well...hint hint...nevermind...
 
TraneWreck said:
No, you're just joking around. I hope you're enjoying yourself.

1350-no "Western Medicine," lots of immune systems. The Great Mortality almost destroyed the human species.

2010-"Western Medicine," lots of immune systems. Black Death has been completely controlled.

What's the difference?
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I don't joke about cures. I will happily take on the FDA, AMA and all of you who prevent people from understanding their immune response! That is my life's work. For 15 years I have been proving cures for incurable diseases exist and for 15 years I have been ignored my the media and medicine
 
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ShareCures said:
Actually since proof is so important there is no proof that there is even such a thing as a herpes virus, just everyone taking it all in on faith. They test of antibodies and indication of what is said to be a virus but there is no way of detecting an actual virus through medical testing. Doctors have never seen the virus so you can't ask them for help. Lab tech only see one color of dye or another without seeing any actual virus.

For all we know OBs thought to be herpes could be a fungus and nothing to do with any virus. Unfortunately for the argumentative types there is no way to prove herpes is a virus or a fungus.
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Talk about extreme levels of stupid.
HerpesParticle.gif
 
ShareCures said:
Actually since proof is so important there is no proof that there is even such a thing as a herpes virus, just everyone taking it all in on faith. They test of antibodies and indication of what is said to be a virus but there is no way of detecting an actual virus through medical testing. Doctors have never seen the virus so you can't ask them for help. Lab tech only see one color of dye or another without seeing any actual virus.

For all we know OBs thought to be herpes could be a fungus and nothing to do with any virus. Unfortunately for the argumentative types there is no way to prove herpes is a virus or a fungus.
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ShareCures - you appear to have no idea what you're talking about, and seem to be just recycling unsupported claims. I appreciate that you may believe these statements, but they could be remedied with an attitude more oriented to learning than lecturing. I'm not quite sure at this point if you sincerely want to understand any of this.

As an example, I'm an immunologist which is a research specialty that studies the human immune system and microbial origin of infections.

Herpesviruses (they're a family of viruses that includes chickenpox) have been imaged many times with different tools, such as [SEM]. They're viruses because they look like viruses and their genomes have been recorded, and there's no doubt they're viral genomes. It's pretty easy to distinguish between viruses and fungi through multiple means - the convergence of multiple independent tests makes a strong argument for confident determination.

Practically speaking, the tools we use to impact their infectious properties work in the way we would expect from what we model of their biochemistry and physical constitution. eg: antifungals don't work on viral infections; antivirals don't work on fungal infections; penicillin doesn't work on either, but works on some types of bacteria. &c.
 
paximperium said:
Sorry I wasn't too clear. HSV subtypes cause both disease but HSV 1 used to be purely oral but has begun to cause a significant portion of genital herpes as well...hint hint...nevermind...
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You are horrible misinformed on all accounts.
 
ShareCures said:
Steven,

Very good question.

You personally can direct your immune response with great effectiveness and you can direct others with great effectiveness. BOOM you just discover the root of placebo.

Better yet a person can learn to direct their immune response and use it to take care of their whole family just as nature planned before technology took over.

I'm well aware how odd this sounds. Everything in your being exist from an educational system that says you are to subscribe to medicine and medicine only. Now with the same people in charge of western medicine also in charge of alternative medicine both have become completely useless when it comes to cures or prevention.

You must ask yourself how does a double blind placebo work. The person applying the "remedy" is directing the patients immune response, not the remedy. With out the ability to direct immune responses in other there would be no PLACEBO.

You can direct your own immune response and you can direct others.
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Cute. He doesn't even know how the Placebo Effect actually works.
 
ShareCures said:
It is very easy to prove MEDICINE outside of trauma is all propaganda and lies. That was not the reason for the discussion but that is where the good doctors want to take it and I will do my best to expose medicine because so many seem to thing that cures and medicine are linked. They are not. Cures are not medicine.
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If you get syphllis or gonorrea you cure the diseases with anti biotics. You fail to use anti biotics your stuck with these diseases. I know from experience unfortunantly. Nothing you've been saying is true. Why dio you torture yourself?
 
ShareCures said:
I don't joke about cures. I will happily take on the FDA, AMA and all of you who prevent people from understanding their immune response! That is my life's work. For 15 years I have been proving cures for incurable diseases exist and for 15 years I have been ignored my the media and medicine
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15 years of failure. Oh well I'm glad the world actually has sense to ignore a complete kook that thinks that herpes viruses have not been seen and that wild animals don't get cancer.
 
ShareCures said:
Better yet a person can learn to direct their immune response and use it to take care of their whole family just as nature planned before technology took over.
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(emphasis mine)

Do we have any reason to believe that nature has the capacity to plan anything? And if so, do we have any reason to believe that nature's plan favors the interests of Homo sapiens over, say, those of Escherichia coli?

I'd ask how an individual's "immune response" can "take care of" an entire family, but I'm afraid you'd try to explain it, so I'll just point out that it's just as absurd as the rest of your posts in this thread.
 
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blutoski said:
ShareCures - you appear to have no idea what you're talking about, and seem to be just recycling unsupported claims. I appreciate that you may believe these statements, but they could be remedied with an attitude more oriented to learning than lecturing. I'm not quite sure at this point if you sincerely want to understand any of this.

As an example, I'm an immunologist which is a research specialty that studies the human immune system and microbial origin of infections.

Herpesviruses (they're a family of viruses that includes chickenpox) have been imaged many times with different tools, such as [SEM]. They're viruses because they look like viruses and their genomes have been recorded, and there's no doubt they're viral genomes. It's pretty easy to distinguish between viruses and fungi through multiple means - the convergence of multiple independent tests makes a strong argument for confident determination.

Practically speaking, the tools we use to impact their infectious properties work in the way we would expect from what we model of their biochemistry and physical constitution. eg: antifungals don't work on viral infections; antivirals don't work on fungal infections; penicillin doesn't work on either, but works on some types of bacteria. &c.
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I'm not hear to learn from you. I'm sorry if I gave you that impression. I am here to see if any of you wish to learn from me.

You see I already know how to cure incurable diseases. If you have advice on how to achieve these cures more efficiently I'm all ears.

No your discredit of me comes from the simple fact that you have not seen me on CNN. Your loss. You won't see cures outside of medicine being investigated in mainstream media period. So your discrediting my claims because you are blissfully unaware of the body's ability to cure diseases said to be incurable is your own weakness not mine.

When it come to medicine and your medical proof, your right hand has no idea what your left hand is doing. As such you have no proof only theoretical conclusions based on hearsay. I'm not trying to offend you just letting you know that I am not as easily manipulated as others. I'm a show me kind of guy. If you say there is a virus, you show me it is a virus by showing me it is not a fungus, bacteria, mold or other. But first you must teach me from scratch so my right hand knows what my left hand does.

The point is no one knows what is or what isn't a virus. They only know what they are told is or isn't. But it doesn't matter because the body does not care if it is or isn't a virus, it can cure all pathogens. I was just pointing out how there are no actual fact in medicine that all conclusions are based om hearsay.
 
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