How much time do we really have?

[jhunter1163]

Does anyone really know what time it is?

These guys do; the US Naval Observatory.

http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Eastern/d/-5/java

 

[BStrong]

Sorry Mike, the holy book approach hasn't panned out as an accurate predictor yet, and the Q is no exception.

 

[Correa Neto]

Does anyone really know what time it is?

http://www.timecube.com/

 

[mikeb768]

@mikeb768
Read the main site much?

Epic fail. Again.

I appreciate the the link, but I fail to see how it has anything to do with the OP. I intentionally did not include a date or time as to when any of the mentioned events would occur based on the following verse:

[Quran 31:34]
"Indeed, God [alone] has knowledge of the Hour and sends down the rain and knows what is in the wombs. And no soul perceives what it will earn tomorrow, and no soul perceives in what land it will die. Indeed, God is Knowing and Acquainted."

Also no, I have not taken the time to sift through/memorize every "nook and cranny" of the JREF website, some of us actually have lives. And if you could please stop tossing around the phrase "Epic Fail", as your frequent misuse of the term is only managing to dilute the real meaning of the phrase.

 

[BStrong]

I appreciate the the link, but I fail to see how it has anything to do with the OP. I intentionally did not include a date or time as to when any of the mentioned events would occur based on the following verse:

[Quran 31:34]
"Indeed, God [alone] has knowledge of the Hour and sends down the rain and knows what is in the wombs. And no soul perceives what it will earn tomorrow, and no soul perceives in what land it will die. Indeed, God is Knowing and Acquainted."

Also no, I have not taken the time to sift through/memorize every "nook and cranny" of the JREF website, some of us actually have lives. And if you could please stop tossing around the phrase "Epic Fail", as your frequent misuse of the term is only managing to dilute the real meaning of the phrase.

Since myself and many others on JREF don't buy into any holy book nonsense, why do you continue to quote a holy book that we reject out-of-hand?

Muhammd, Jesus, Jehovah, whoever doesn't have any significance to me, and you or someone else quoting that nonsense doesn't bring enlightenment.

I'm trying to be nice, I'm not trying to "convert" you to any school of thought, I just reject *********.

 

[mikeb768]

I have pointed out elswhere that the quran does copy mistakes in the bible.
The classic one being that both the bible and quran say that the age of Noah when he died was 950 years. But this is now thought to be a translation error in the bible made by an early scribe who did not understand the ancient numbering system. Never the less the quran copies this bible error exactly.

OK, and do you remember what I told you? Link

Also what is the basis of the "translation error", which Bible scholars believe to be responsible for the claim you are making?

 

[mikeb768]

Since myself and many others on JREF don't buy into any holy book nonsense, why do you continue to quote a holy book that we reject out-of-hand?

Muhammd, Jesus, Jehovah, whoever doesn't have any significance to me, and you or someone else quoting that nonsense doesn't bring enlightenment.

I'm trying to be nice, I'm not trying to "convert" you to any school of thought, I just reject *********.

Yeah, I would just ignore the portions which you don't believe to be true. I mean what else can you do, no one is forcing you to right.

 

[mikeb768]

I'm guessing you realize what it means that you are avoiding answering this.

Well, No. I haven't got any Time table or Crystal ball for events to come if that is what you are asking.

Although considering the current track record you are welcome to come up with a theory of your own. As it stands table in the OP seems to be accurate, despite claims which would state otherwise. Most of the claims are just that, claims. While the links provided in the OP provide both support and offer insight to the points which have been cited.

 

[BStrong]

Yeah, I would just ignore the portions which you don't believe to be true. I mean what else can you do, no one is forcing you to right.

I own a beautiful Quran that was given to me by a friend when I worked in Saudi, and I have a Bible, and I'm familar with the Torah.

They're simply different versions of the same line of ********.

Believe in what you wish to believe in, it's your right as a human, but reading the thing as anything more than an entertaining tale and believing that the holy book tells the future is bound to lead to unhappiness, and strict application of holy book nonsense has and will continue to lead to all manner of violence and other ugly end results.

 

[mikeb768]

I own a beautiful Quran that was given to me by a friend when I worked in Saudi, and I have a Bible, and I'm familar with the Torah.

They're simply different versions of the same line of ********.

Believe in what you wish to believe in, it's your right as a human, but reading the thing as anything more than an entertaining tale and believing that the holy book tells the future is bound to lead to unhappiness, and strict application of holy book nonsense has and will continue to lead to all manner of violence and other ugly end results.

That's great, it is nice to know how you really feel, although it is pretty obvious that we disagree. Not only that, but I have actually provided support for the claims which are made in the OP. The claims which you make remain as just that, only claims.

 

[Pyrts]

Quran correctly identifies a close ally of the Egyptian Pharaoh during the time of Moses, by the name of Haman.
[Quran 28:6, 8, 38; 29:39; 40:24, 36] Link
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This one is not correct.

First...the Exodus did NOT happen (or at least not in the way it's presented in the Bible.) Jews were never in Egypt in significant numbers until fairly late (600 BC, and moreso after 300 BC.) The pharaoh of the presumed Exodus has never been identified. One of the towns presumed to have been built in the time of Moses (Pi-Rameses) in fact was abandoned before then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-Ramesses and the Haman story is a hoax: http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/katz/haman/bucaille.html

 

[Frozenwolf150]

I appreciate the the link, but I fail to see how it has anything to do with the OP. I intentionally did not include a date or time as to when any of the mentioned events would occur based on the following verse:

[Quran 31:34]
"Indeed, God [alone] has knowledge of the Hour and sends down the rain and knows what is in the wombs. And no soul perceives what it will earn tomorrow, and no soul perceives in what land it will die. Indeed, God is Knowing and Acquainted."

Also no, I have not taken the time to sift through/memorize every "nook and cranny" of the JREF website, some of us actually have lives. And if you could please stop tossing around the phrase "Epic Fail", as your frequent misuse of the term is only managing to dilute the real meaning of the phrase.

It's content from one of Mr. Randi's better known books, reproduced on this website for your convenience. Given the amount of time you spend mining quotes and regurgitating bullcrap prophecies and failed predictions, one would think you'd have enough time to read over the list. Furthermore, you should know that you're speaking to a skeptic community that doesn't buy into the sort of things you're preaching in the first place. The fate of the world isn't dictated by your or anyone else's silly superstitions.

Also, if you don't want your failures pointed out, perhaps you should stop posting them. Just a thought.

 

[BStrong]

That's great, it is nice to know how you really feel, although it is pretty obvious that we disagree. Not only that, but I have actually provided support for the claims which are made in the OP. The claims which you make remain as just that, only claims.

No Mike, you did no such thing.

You quote a text that establishes the tenets of a faith you believe in, and wish to demonstrate through quotation that your faith is validated.

Your claims aren't any more valid than mine in establishing religious "fact."

You want to believe, so believe to your heart's content.

Just don't wave the book and say the text is valid because you believe it.

 

[mikeb768]

This one is not correct.

First...the Exodus did NOT happen (or at least not in the way it's presented in the Bible.) Jews were never in Egypt in significant numbers until fairly late (600 BC, and moreso after 300 BC.) The pharaoh of the presumed Exodus has never been identified. One of the towns presumed to have been built in the time of Moses (Pi-Rameses) in fact was abandoned before then: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-Ramesses and the Haman story is a hoax: http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/katz/haman/bucaille.html

I have heard this idea that there is no evidence to support the Jewish exodus tossed around before, so it is definitely something which I plan to look further into.

But regarding the link which you posted pointing to the "Haman story as a hoax", it already contains an error in the first paragraph.

It states that "This Haman does not appear in the Bible, while he is mentioned six times in the Qur’an: sura 28, verses 6, 8 and 38; sura 29, verse 39; and sura 40, verses 24 and 36."

But the name can actually be found all through out the Book of Esther [just some examples: 3:1-2; 5:4; 5:11; 6:10+12; 7:1+6]. And that is just by doing a quick Google search. So either the person who wrote the article does not know what they are talking about or they are being intentionally deceitful. Either way not a good start.
The Book of Esther

Also the person who wrote the article does not want to take credit for the claims made therein, and is actually unsure of who it is that is actually making the claim, as we see with the very first sentence which he writes "Maurice Bucaille is, most probably, the originator of this argument".

Even the link on the website to the alleged source material is incorrect. The Link goes to a page with a book titled "Moses and Pharaoh : the Hebrews in Egypt : teachings of the Holy Scriptures and history"

Although the only book which can found which was published by Maurice Bucaille in 1994 seems to be this one "Moses and Pharaoh in the Bible, Qur'an and History"

So two questions + a little insight
1) How did the author of that article manage to fit so many mistakes into just the first two paragraphs?
2) What is the actual crux of his argument?
+) That answering-islam website is run by a well known Islamophobe by the name of "Sam Shamoun", so maybe not the best source.

 

[Craig B]

... It states that "This Haman does not appear in the Bible, while he is mentioned six times in the Qur’an: sura 28, verses 6, 8 and 38; sura 29, verse 39; and sura 40, verses 24 and 36."

But the name can actually be found all through out the Book of Esther [just some examples: 3:1-2; 5:4; 5:11; 6:10+12; 7:1+6]. And that is just by doing a quick Google search. So either the person who wrote the article does not know what they are talking about or they are being intentionally deceitful. Either way not a good start.
The Book of Esther

I think the point may be that the Haman in Esther has nothing to do with Egypt, but is a character in a story set in Persia. The Quran picks this story up from the Jewish scriptures, and gets it wrong. I have already posted about this. Similarly the Quran confuses Miriam the sister of Moses with the similarly-named mother of Jesus of the gospels.

These errors indicate that the Quran is not an infallible message from an omniscient god.

 

[Iamme]

To answer the OP question, directly, without debunking any claims;
I had a hot rod once that did 0- 60 in the first three gears, and did 60 more in the final 4th gear.
Translation: we arent dying anytime soon, regardless of prophesy already fulfilled.
Man was put on this Earth, not to eat soup and nuts for millions of years, while a God looked at his watch and said, ``Well?.....they`ve had long enough. Time is up!``
Nope. We`ve gone from soup to nuts...to rocket ships.
You think God is going to pull the plug on us now, without seeing if we are smart enough to make it to another solar system?

 

[Craig B]

... You think God is going to pull the plug on us now, without seeing if we are smart enough to make it to another solar system?

I assume you mean that, and it's not a joke. If so, it is a dangerous delusion, and illustrates one of the perils of supernatural belief.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

I have heard this idea that there is no evidence to support the Jewish exodus tossed around before, so it is definitely something which I plan to look further into.

But regarding the link which you posted pointing to the "Haman story as a hoax", it already contains an error in the first paragraph.

It states that "This Haman does not appear in the Bible, while he is mentioned six times in the Qur’an: sura 28, verses 6, 8 and 38; sura 29, verse 39; and sura 40, verses 24 and 36."

But the name can actually be found all through out the Book of Esther [just some examples: 3:1-2; 5:4; 5:11; 6:10+12; 7:1+6]. And that is just by doing a quick Google search. So either the person who wrote the article does not know what they are talking about or they are being intentionally deceitful. Either way not a good start.
The Book of Esther

You do realize that this part, this sentence from what you indentify as the first paragraph, are the words of an Islamic apologist*? And that you are somehow suggesting that this Islamic apologist* "does not know what they are talking about or they are being intentionally deceitful."

You do, right?

Also the person who wrote the article does not want to take credit for the claims made therein, and is actually unsure of who it is that is actually making the claim, as we see with the very first sentence which he writes "Maurice Bucaille is, most probably, the originator of this argument".

The author of the article quotes and rebuts an argument made by an Islamic apologist*, Maurice Bucaille. Who is, most probably, the originator of the argument.

Even the link on the website to the alleged source material is incorrect. The Link goes to a page with a book titled "Moses and Pharaoh : the Hebrews in Egypt : teachings of the Holy Scriptures and history"

Although the only book which can found which was published by Maurice Bucaille in 1994 seems to be this one "Moses and Pharaoh in the Bible, Qur'an and History"

The first footnote sheds some more light. May I quote:

1 Islamic Awareness quotes most of this text in their article (*), and they give as reference: M. Bucaille, Moses and Pharaoh: The Hebrews In Egypt, 1995, NTT Mediascope Inc.: Tokyo, p. 192-193. There are some insignificant differences (not changing the meaning) between their quotation and the above text. The text quoted here is taken from Google Books (*) which offers a later edition of the same book, published 2008 by “Islamic Book Trust / The Other Press” (*) under the title Moses and Pharaoh in the Bible, Qur'an and History.​

http://www.answering-islam.org/authors/katz/haman/bucaille.html#fn_1

So two questions + a little insight
1) How did the author of that article manage to fit so many mistakes into just the first two paragraphs?
2) What is the actual crux of his argument?
+) That answering-islam website is run by a well known Islamophobe by the name of "Sam Shamoun", so maybe not the best source.

I can give an answer to question number 1:
By quoting Islamic apologetics, in this case Maurice Bucaille. Some feat.



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* Or whatever he exactly is; to me it sounds like apologetics anyway.

 

[Mahaha]

I love how the OP cherry picks which reply he's going to answer. He always answers the ones where he can be convoluted and obscure, but neve the very straightforward ones.
He does this on another thread as well.

 

[Correa Neto]

So, when will we be sent to burn in Hell by our everloving father?