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How much punishment is enough?

I was going to say never blame kids but..............

ImaginalDisc said:
Blame "leftists?" Check.

Blame feminists? Check.

Blame parents? Check.

Blame children? Check.

Blame women? Check.
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Sometimes kids disobey. Kids get themselves into a lot of trouble by doing what they've been told not to. This includs associating with people they don't know and going to places they've been told to stay out of.
 
Cainkane1 said:
Sometimes kids disobey. Kids get themselves into a lot of trouble by doing what they've been told not to. This includs associating with people they don't know and going to places they've been told to stay out of.
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Whoa. Firstly, I was characterizing Token's. . ."words."

Secondly, they're kids. Kids do dumb things, that's part and parcel of the whole "kid" deal. Children, legally, cannot be blamed for being molested. Ethically, I think you're treading on thin ice.
 
Well kids aren't legally responsible but...........

ImaginalDisc said:
Whoa. Firstly, I was characterizing Token's. . ."words."

Secondly, they're kids. Kids do dumb things, that's part and parcel of the whole "kid" deal. Children, legally, cannot be blamed for being molested. Ethically, I think you're treading on thin ice.
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I believe a perp should be punished even if the child did something they were told not to do. However most kids should know better than to go to a strangers car or talk to a stranger or go to places they've told not to. Overall its the adults fault if they harm a child but the kid should also be careful.
 
It seems odd to me that a person who assaults a child must abide by the proximity laws ("Shall live no closer than ____ feet to a place where children gather"), while a person who murders someone is under no such proximity constraints. A murderer (2nd degree or less) who is released from prison is permitted - even encouraged - to live and work near potential victims.

(Sometimes, 1st degree murderers are released into a target-rich environment after being paroled or having served their sentences ... sometimes ...).

Is child molestation a worse crime than murder? Okay, I can see manslaughter (death through accident or misfortune) being treated this way, but 2nd degree murder is often described as a "crime of passion" - one where emotions ran so high that all reason was ignored.

Why is a person who commits murder through an act of passion treated as less of a monster than a pedophile - one who satisfies his passions through sex with children?

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Whatever penalty is applicable to convicted murderers should be applicable to convicted pedophiles, and vice-versa, whichever is the greater penalty.

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The real effect of these laws is to prevent people classed as sex offenders from living anywhere legaly.

You bann them from say living with in 1/4 a mile from a school, and now they can't live in a city. Add that to how broad some sex offender classifications can get and the laws are just getting nuts.
 
pipelineaudio said:
I would say a single illegal immigrant may screw up more lives than a single child molester

I KNOW a single red light runner could easily screw up more lives than a single child molester

A single activist judge could screw up more lives than a child molester

Why do sex issues get special magic status?

Ill take getting molested any day over getting mobbed everyday, yet the thugs who do the mobbing IF they get arrested just get turned right back out with no permanent record and likely no punishment.
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Um, non sequitur much? We haven't talked about what our opinions on the punishments of these crimes are, so there is really nothing to compare.

And lol at "activist judges".
 
All the stats I've read shows that the average sentence a pedo will spend is 11 yrs or less. Rarely will they do more than that, and even more rare that they will serve 20,unless there are other extenuating factors.

I'd rather be safe than sorry, I'd rather us air on the side of 'over-caution' than not enough caution. How many times have we heard of pedos that have offended 2 or more times, then finally graduate to murder?! These are the ones that usually only serve 3-5. I don't care if the girl is 14-16, and the guy is 40 or over, it's still WRONG. Heck even a 21 yr old guys know they could go to jail for sleeping with a girl under 18. I hear guys say things like..well if she's over 12 then it's not the same...umm....hello,pray tell how you came to that conclusion??
 
Ian Osborne said:
Does anyone else wonder if Tokenconservative is really Jedi Knight in disguise? He seems to have done a reasonable job inventing a new on-screen persona, but the new one is just as predictable as the old one.
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Aaaannd, there it is!

Not even to the second page of posts, and the typical, Playbook libbie has to divert attention, hijack the thread and (hopefully) make sure nobody reads any truth!

Tokie
 
workout_girl said:
There are hefty consequences we pay in life. Yea, it's inconvenient he has to move but this isn't being done to him based on race or gender, or anything superficial or unfair. He is being penalized b/c of the nature of his crime. It doesn't matter if it was 5,10,15,20 years ago, society and the law will never ever trust a pedo around children again. It's for the protection of the children AS WELL AS THE PERP. Sometimes ppl with sicknesses NEED(and want) boundaries in order to make the act more difficult to accomplish.

Could you honsetly say that you'd trust him with your kid, neice, nephew, whatever?

I don't care if he found God, or is the best role model citizen, it would always be in the back of my mind...therefore I wouldn't and COULDN'T trust..no matter how good he cleaned up!
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Hmmm...let's see if I am following this...if a 16 yr old has sex with his 15 yr-old girlfriend, that means he's a "pedo" and cannot be trusted around say, a 4 yr-old?

Yeah...that makes perfect sense.

Tokie
 
Cainkane1 said:
You're right the child he improperly touched will never be the same. Its difficult to feel sorry for this person even if he has been rehabilitated. My only problem is this. He has not committed another crime in the ten years since his release. What more can he do? However the consensus of opinion seems to be that protecting our children comes first and theres arguing with that.
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We don't seem to have the details of the crime. Is he a true "pedo" or is this something else?

If it's something else, driven by the hysteria of our leftist-feminist culture (in which being male is itself viewed as a pathological condition), then a decade in prison and the rest of his life ruined is more than enough.

Tokie
 
ImaginalDisc said:
Whoa. Firstly, I was characterizing Token's. . ."words."

Secondly, they're kids. Kids do dumb things, that's part and parcel of the whole "kid" deal. Children, legally, cannot be blamed for being molested. Ethically, I think you're treading on thin ice.
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Anyone blaming an actual child for actually being molested is not treading thin ethical ice.

They are a moron.

Tokie
 
ponderingturtle said:
The real effect of these laws is to prevent people classed as sex offenders from living anywhere legaly.

You bann them from say living with in 1/4 a mile from a school, and now they can't live in a city. Add that to how broad some sex offender classifications can get and the laws are just getting nuts.
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Personally, I have no problem with this. A real pedophile cannot be "cured," with prison or therapy or anything else. Recidivism is nearly 100%. I would suggest a one-time you're out law, but only AFTER we remove they hysterical leftist-feminism from the current laws by which you can be classed as a "sex offender" for the rest of your life because she decided to say "no" after a couple days thinking that drunken night over.

Tokie
 
Fnord said:
It seems odd to me that a person who assaults a child must abide by the proximity laws ("Shall live no closer than ____ feet to a place where children gather"), while a person who murders someone is under no such proximity constraints. A murderer (2nd degree or less) who is released from prison is permitted - even encouraged - to live and work near potential victims.

(Sometimes, 1st degree murderers are released into a target-rich environment after being paroled or having served their sentences ... sometimes ...).

Is child molestation a worse crime than murder? Okay, I can see manslaughter (death through accident or misfortune) being treated this way, but 2nd degree murder is often described as a "crime of passion" - one where emotions ran so high that all reason was ignored.

Why is a person who commits murder through an act of passion treated as less of a monster than a pedophile - one who satisfies his passions through sex with children?

[OPINION]

Whatever penalty is applicable to convicted murderers should be applicable to convicted pedophiles, and vice-versa, whichever is the greater penalty.

[/OPINION]
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The problem is that you are applying logic to something that involves children. We all know that when children are involved all logic, reason and sanity just go right out the window.
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
There are different types. There is date rape. There is statutory rape. There is rape when the other person is under the influence, and even then, different circumstances for being under the influence. There is rape when the girls says no in the middle of it, and the guy doesn't respond.
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So which of these is worth a lifetime sentence without any possibility of being released?

Heck they have nothing left to live for so why not just shoot them....or behead them?


Tsukasa Buddha said:
And I think you are a tad ignorant of the effects of molestation on children.
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I have first hand experience about the effects of molestation. What about you?
 
Can they be intimidated?

Tokenconservative said:
Personally, I have no problem with this. A real pedophile cannot be "cured," with prison or therapy or anything else. Recidivism is nearly 100%. I would suggest a one-time you're out law, but only AFTER we remove they hysterical leftist-feminism from the current laws by which you can be classed as a "sex offender" for the rest of your life because she decided to say "no" after a couple days thinking that drunken night over.

Tokie
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They may not be able to be cured but prison time I bet intimidates most of these pervs into not committing the crime again. I incurably attracted to adult women but i wouldn't molest one. Time spent behind bars probably keeps most if not all in line after release.
 
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