How Loony are the Loons?

[~enigma~]

You must have actually read his drivel to make that list. My condolences. I think we need a new badge for debunking above and beyond the call of duty.

How did you do that one handed hypnotist routine on Dylan or do you have CT...Carpal Tunnel...and Dylan is asking himself "why am I here"?

 

[pomeroo]

Crux of the Matter

This is the knock-out. RB is insisting--what exactly? Is he claiming that there were no pilots on the planes? That the pilots volunteered for suicide missions? That they were murdered, along with all the passengers, by the Boeing Corporation? And Boeing's motive was...?

He can't slip away behind a cloud of smoke.

 

[ConspiRaider]

Physical over ride is allowed, or granted by the computer. If a computer is controlling the plane, it allows the pilots to take back over through the many sensors that it uses to determine that the pilot wants to take back control. If the SUBROUTINE prevents this take back of control, what are the pilots going to do?????

Your analogy of a computer being turned off is pretty lame... The control computer is NOT turned off. If it was to be turned off, then the pilots would STRUGGLE to fly the plane. The computer HELPS to keep the plane flying correctly.

Accuser of Mass Murder:

I write subroutines all the time. Planes still fly. What am I doing wrong?

Also: Boeing, you imbecile, has stated that the 757/767 cannot be flown at will via remotely transmitted signals. Are the top brass at Boeing aware of your accusations of mass murder and/or complicity in the 9/11 events? Should we tell them, so that they can initiate legal proceedings against you?

Idiots at conspiracy theory message boards might lap up your technical-sounding garbage because they are incapable of sapient thought. Notice how none of your nonsense has a chance of flying here at JREF? Shouldn't you be leaving now? RUN! GO TO YOUR CT BOARDS AND SPOUT YOUR IDIOCY. Unopposed. Otherwise you will continue to be relentlessly torn to pieces here.

 

[~enigma~]

Or maybe they are just going to blow up something in KC? Like Royals Stadium. Yeah, it's sitting empty (even in baseball season) and now that Stephen Glass is the owner, and he also owns Wal-Mart, and he's losing money, and they just renewed the lease on the stadium, so he's, like, on the hook for millions, and like, it all fits, man!

Did he just take out an insurance policy on the stadium? Are there unexplicable power downs scheduled? Did they just remove bomb sniffing dogs? Is Royal Stadium steel framed? Is Steven Jones in KC?
ETA - Is thar gold in them thar hills unner the stadium?

 

[babazaroni]

This is the knock-out. RB is insisting--what exactly? Is he claiming that there were no pilots on the planes? That the pilots volunteered for suicide missions? That they were murdered, along with all the passengers, by the Boeing Corporation? And Boeing's motive was...?

He can't slip away behind a cloud of smoke.

I think he is claiming that there could be innocent pilots, but the hacked computers could take control.

As has been stated many times, these aircraft were not fly-by-wire, thus powering down a computer would allow the pilots to regain control.

And don't think that RB could recognize a knock-out punch. He already appears to be knocked silly.

 

[~enigma~]

I think he is claiming that there could be innocent pilots, but the hacked computers could take control.

As has been stated many times, these aircraft were not fly-by-wire, thus powering down a computer would allow the pilots to regain control.

And don't think that RB could recognize a knock-out punch. He already appears to be knocked silly.

So RB is another woowoo that thinks Air Panic was a documentary? It was fiction!!!!

 

[RemoveBush]

"You can't even remember that you replied to multiple people here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...17#post2213717"

You still have not learned to read have you?

This post was CLEAR.....

"RemoveBush - Wait a minute! If you track back to when I first came in, they were already attacking. Here is my very first post:"

So in the VERY FIRST POST I in fact did...... To show an example of the attacks. I have gotten to the point that unless you get information in a pretty colored box, you have not mental ability to think!

NEXT!

 

[~enigma~]

Hey Bushy...do you think Air Panic was a documentary?

 

[babazaroni]

"You can't even remember that you replied to multiple people here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.p...17#post2213717"

You still have not learned to read have you?

This post was CLEAR.....

"RemoveBush - Wait a minute! If you track back to when I first came in, they were already attacking. Here is my very first post:"

So in the VERY FIRST POST I in fact did...... To show an example of the attacks. I have gotten to the point that unless you get information in a pretty colored box, you have not mental ability to think!

NEXT!

RB, you've just made another unattributed quote.

And you forget those pretty colored boxes have links back to the original message you have pulled the quote out of.

 

[RemoveBush]

"A W Smith - It is obvious he didnt folow the link that pomeroo provided or he would have known. He isjust spewing forth nonsence."

I read it! UNLIKE YOU, I actually think! For example, the person states that the airlines would have to be involved......

BULL. If there was a ability to actually over ride the controlls, why do the airlines need to be involved? If the code could be updated, why would they need to be involved?

As far as the planes..... First, YOU still have no EVIDENCE that those were the planes.... Show me the identification of the HUNDREDS OF TRACEABLE PARTS FROM THOSE PLANES.

How about those ATC's who says they saw two of the planes fly over the Atlantic and in one sweep of the radar they were gone. I'm not saying this is true, I am saying that they said it.

How about that tape of the ATC personnel that was ripped up and destroyed and deposited in several trash cans? Is that guy sitting in jail? Especially for DESTROYING EVIDENCE in a crime!

You see..... Your SIMPLE little answer is not simple. You make the statement that because the planes are gone, that this is proof. Do you know that at about where those transponders dissapeard are AIR BASES? It is POSSIBLE that the planse were switched.....

Again, I am not saying this is what happened. I am saying that me or YOU do not actually know what happened! People are dead, aircraft are destroyed, and 3 buildings came down at a near free fall speed on 9/11. This is all that IS FACT, that either you or I have. As I have already stated..... Even the Congress does not know what the truth is as they have not been privey to the information.

NEXT

 

[aggle-rithm]

Stop using buzzwords like embedded code. And forget all about trying to convince me, a software engineer, that you are a software developer. You are no such thing. Software developers must excel in certain skills in order to attain success with their designed projects. Know what one of them is? Of course you don't.

Software developers MUST excel in word structure. Because that's what coding is: The arrangement of words, symbols, phrases, commands, constructs, loops and so forth into a highly structured format, for the performance of a task, or tasks. An aptitude in word structure, grammar and spelling is required if one ever hopes to survive in the hacker racket.

Look at your posts. Babble. You're all over the joint. No software coder in the world would EVER do this: Spell 'sophisticated' as 'soffisicated'. Not in a million years.

So don't even pretend to speak of "EMBEDDED code" as if you know what you are talking about. You are, in fact, clueless.

Indeed, PRECISION is so important in programming that it spills over into all other modes of thought automatically. You can't just throw things out there and hope it will stick, as you can with casual language, you have to know EXACTLY what to tell the system to do, because it sees things in black-and-white terms that don't lend themselves to misspellings or sloppy grammar.

In fact, not only is spelling important, you also have to get the CASE of the individual letters correct (at least for REAL programming languages, not abominations like Visual Basic). This type of mental discipline can't help but permeate other areas of expression, like natural language.

 

[WildCat]

ETA - Is thar gold in them thar hills unner the stadium?

No, but there are faeries behind the waterfall in center field.

 

[RemoveBush]

"Skibum - I don't think he is really here for a true discussion, he's here to lecture and educate us."

Wrong! You people are the ones trying to do that!

This can't be done or that can't be done. But yet you have ZERO evidence that it could. I know I have ZERO evidence that it can. The point is that there are MANY things that are possible besides the simpleton "theory" that has been put out by the government. What's more plausible??? 19 hijackers were able to defeat the greatest nation on the plannet and the greatest protected air space in the world, or that the government actually played a role to ALLOW the events to unfold?

There are plenty of examples throughout HISTORY that a similar thing has happened so to say that IT CAN"T is just CLOSE MINDED and unrational.

 

[RemoveBush]

"A W Smith - you talking about killtown? (my bolding)"

I'm talking about the people we have in the government, and have had for the last 12 - 20 years....... Before that, the people actually went to Washington to make a difference to the Nation, now they do it to see what they can get for themselves. And no, not all but a large portion.

This is what I was talking about.... It only takes a few people with this attitude in high places throughout our government to reak havok on our nation.

 

[Brainache]

"

This can't be done or that can't be done. But yet you have ZERO evidence that it could. I know I have ZERO evidence that it can. The point is that there are MANY things that are possible besides the simpleton "theory" that has been put out by the government. What's more plausible??? 19 hijackers were able to defeat the greatest nation on the plannet and the greatest protected air space in the world, or that the government actually played a role to ALLOW the events to unfold?

There are plenty of examples throughout HISTORY that a similar thing has happened so to say that IT CAN"T is just CLOSE MINDED and unrational.

But you have to remember that there are some things which you suggest which really are not physically possible. To go on asserting that impossible things occurred because you don't know exactly what did happen is "unrational".

You are being closed minded by insisting that what happenned on 9/11 must be an inside job. Just because officials have acted immorally in the past does not proove that they did so in this instance.
The CIA may very well have funded numerous anti-communist coups in South America, but it does not follow that they would want to blow up Wall st; Quite the opposite in fact.

 

[RemoveBush]

"pomeroo - Perhaps you might try actually READING Apathoid's paper?"

I have!

You might actually try to answer the question I posed..

Does he have the EMBEDDED code to view to state that there is no hidden SUBROUTINE that can be activated? Probably not! I worked in AVIONICS in the military, and I know that most of the radios and other associated equipment is not so different.

I also know that though he is intimate with the Electronics and Mechanical aspects of the plane, he is not INTIMATE with the code that operates those pieces of components.

I KNOW that secret code can be placed in programs to allow for a function to occure when a special code is provided or a sequence of events occure.

Please provide in that document where he states that he has seen the EMBEDDED code and that he personally uploaded the code into the computer! Provide this and this will be the end of the arguement!

Until then, there is a possibility of this occuring! Just like the government can listen to YOUR conversation through your cell phone even though it is turned off. Software is quite powerful!

 

[beachnut]

"A W Smith - It is obvious he didnt folow the link that pomeroo provided or he would have known. He isjust spewing forth nonsence."

I read it! UNLIKE YOU, I actually think! For example, the person states that the airlines would have to be involved......

BULL. If there was a ability to actually over ride the controlls, why do the airlines need to be involved? If the code could be updated, why would they need to be involved?

As far as the planes..... First, YOU still have no EVIDENCE that those were the planes.... Show me the identification of the HUNDREDS OF TRACEABLE PARTS FROM THOSE PLANES.

How about those ATC's who says they saw two of the planes fly over the Atlantic and in one sweep of the radar they were gone. I'm not saying this is true, I am saying that they said it.

How about that tape of the ATC personnel that was ripped up and destroyed and deposited in several trash cans? Is that guy sitting in jail? Especially for DESTROYING EVIDENCE in a crime!

You see..... Your SIMPLE little answer is not simple. You make the statement that because the planes are gone, that this is proof. Do you know that at about where those transponders dissapeard are AIR BASES? It is POSSIBLE that the planse were switched.....

Again, I am not saying this is what happened. I am saying that me or YOU do not actually know what happened! People are dead, aircraft are destroyed, and 3 buildings came down at a near free fall speed on 9/11. This is all that IS FACT, that either you or I have. As I have already stated..... Even the Congress does not know what the truth is as they have not been privey to the information.

NEXT

I think you have shown how loony the loons can be. Do you agree? What is next? Do you have more loony ideas?

You still can not function in the real world by proof of you ignoring the quote button! Do you have issues like most loons?

You can not prove you flight control idea because the flight control and autopilot are two different animals. You have zero ability to explain how it can be done. You use a computer program? What computer are you going to use to keep pilots or terrorist from flying the plane? I missed it, are you an aero major or a EE, or software engineer who works on flight control systems?

Proved wrong on 9/11 by the FDR which recorded the terrorist flying the jets with inputs from the cockpit. Sorry but you idea is wrong, and your weak attempt to explain how it works make you a loon of remote. Explain to me how you could keep me from turning off the engines? (explain each thing you need to do make sure I can not turn off the engines: there are many ways to turn off the engines; bet you can find them all and stop me!!! Can you?)

Once again you are in the right thread trying to show everyone how a loon can avoid the quote button and make up loony junk about 9/11 at ease. Let us hear your loony ways to keep me a pilot from shutting down the engines and turning your plot of hitting buildings into a open field landing!?

Come on tell me how you can do it? (you know some of the people here have actually worked on or with people who design flight controls and aircraft systems; what makes you an aero engineer?)

 

[RemoveBush]

"ConspiRaider - Bro!!! Dude!!! Wow!!! I didn't know you were in my business!!! You are multi-faceted, holy friggin' Toledo!!! I'm just a lousy software engineer, thinking up applications and pounding out code and that's it. But YOU! Sufferin' Succotash! You do it ALL. Engineer w/Degree. Crash Test Dummy Tester. Holder of 1st CLASS FCC EQUIVENT LICENENCE. And now a software coder (hacker) who spits out embedded code?!? Lemme take a pull of this cognac 'ere I answer...

Okay I'm back. OF COURSE! Embedded Code is code that the pilots or FAA or NTSB or NORAD could not SEE nor DETECT! What the hell was that thing Indira Singh was going on about?!? Oh Yeah - PTECH!!! They Pteched the friggin' planes!!!

I hate to admit that Apathoid got Pteched and his paper is now meaningless but hey! I calls 'em likes I sees 'ems!

See now EVERYTHING makes sense! Even Bush in the classroom! He wasn't reading My Pet Goat - he was scanning Embedded Code! No wonder why the Secret Service stayed clear of him!!!"

Yes and I have worked in a Auto Body shop bumping fenders and such. I have worked in several factories, one machining manafolds for FORD.

I have done a bit of everything in my life. This is why I am stating that the NARROW MINDED VIEW you people take is rediculous.

If you are a software writter, then you should know that code CAN be included in the code to do almost ANYTHING. This includes removing the ability to disable the auto pilot! Hell, I can even take control of another windows program by doing a special search in code to obtain a handle of that window or of the object in the window I want to manipulate.

I have worked with Compass51 toolsets for the 8052. The first 4 years of my engineering work was MOSTLY embedded stuff. It was for places like Sensormatic, a bio medical company making blood glucos machines, electrometers, and spectrometers.

So before you try and INSULT someone, why don't you pull your head out and stop and think? I state that these are POSSIBLE, and give reasons. Since there is NO EVIDENCE EITHER WAY, there are plenty of other possibilites besides the governments "conspiracy theory".

 

[Architect]

Bushy

Ya gonna respond to my e-mail?

What's wrong? Feart?

 

[apathoid]

RemoveBush, myself and others have pointed(numerous times) that the Boeing 757 and 767 are not fly-by-wire aircraft, that is, cable inputs from the control column directly control the hydraulic actuators which move the control surfaces. Please read the "flight controls" section of my essay before continuing to make a fool of yourself. There are no computers that control the airplane while autopilot is disengaged, and I pointed out a multitude of ways in which the autopilot computers can be powered down from the flight deck. If you want to refute this, you are going to have to quote my essay and point out where I'm wrong and why i'm wrong - I'll look forward to it....
I also noted that its possible to power down the aircrafts electrical system and still maintain control of the airplane, I've explained this relatively in-depth. Please quote my essay and point out why I'm wrong and don't use any combination of "imbedded" and "software" in your rebuttal.

About your insistence of rogue software, please give me the FCC-701 firmware specs and, what code would be compatable, what piece of test equipment you would use to install this "software", what sections of the FCC will you imbed this code in, how will it work when the unit is powered down, and tell me why the autopilot maintenance muntifunction control display panel would not detect this code during powerup BITE.