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Indolent Wretch - Yes I do, in the same way that a burning bus with 15 children is full of children. These people died. They were murdered by extremist Islamist terrorists. The planes were used as dumb weapons yet they were FULL of people. FULL."
And you call the "truthers" idiots...... With this, you just show your ignorance..... A plane with 40 or 50 people is FULL.... No wonder you don't care about how many people are going to die from 9/11 due to poisoning from the LIES this government gave to the rescue workers. Your the one who is "pathetic", as you people have become so filled with HATE that you no longer care about your fellow man!
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Indolent Wretch - Yes because obviously these powerful evil people wouldn't be able to stop that would they?
Because if the buildings only half collapsed and burnt down then the investigators would have noticed the dodgy paint and insulation wouldn't they?
Then the families of the bereaved, murdered by terrorists, would have filed lawsuits against the owners for the illnesses that their dead loved ones never had the chance to go and develop wouldn't they?"
I really feel so sorry for you.... You people are so HATEFUL that i bet you slap your children, beat your wives, and kick your dogs. You have NO proof that those "terrorists" flew those planes..... Especially ones that could not even fly a CESNA! But they are able to handle a 767 plane like a pro......
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Indolent Wretch - Changing a report is easy if you're a politician
Ruining the lives of 1000s is a trivial exercise for a man of political power who believes its his pappy given right to rule
Arranging this consipiracy of yours is not so simple, it has great dangers and great consequences, they are not the same thing."
Nice none answer!!! A bunch of BABBLE, but no substance.
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Indolent Wretch - Yes they are you are quite right.
But these planes hadn't been flying for that long had they?
They still had a lot of fuel on board didn't they?
That fuel was more than enough to set fire to offices full of combustible material wasn't it?"
You mean the 5 - 15 % that actually was estimated to have remained in the building? Sure, but not hot enough to weaken the steel. STEEL is a conductor of heat. They will WICK heat away, so it would need to get MUCH hotter in one area to cause the steel to weaken. Guess basic principals like this escaped you, but I suspect that you just ignore information like this because it helps disprove your Deniers "theory".
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Indolent Wretch - WHAT VALUABLE EVIDENCE?
If there is no CD, what evidence is there that needs HIDING? What possible evidence could there be that requires your insane series of events just to hide..."
The fact that the planes COULD have been conltrolled by remote. With the black boxes found, which until NOW have always been recovered, it MIGHT show this.
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Indolent Wretch - "DODGY WALL INSULATION???????????????
SLIGHTLY TOXIC PAINT?????????????
A COUPLE OF SQUEEKY FLOOR TILES????????????
WHAT EVIDENCE? (yes I know I'm shouting)"
Nothing new, you people know how to do nothing else..... Well, that and accusing anyone who does not think like you as "loons".
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Indolent Wretch - Yes I know the world is ruthless. Yes the powerful do what they need in order to obtain their goals. Yes the rich do what they need in order to stay rich. Yes the rich and powerful are terrified of ever being removed from their wealth or power.
Thats my whole point.
THEY DO WHAT THEY NEED
There was no NEED to do a controlled demolition of the damned towers."
Really???? Do you believe that we would have gotten into 8 TRILLION dollars worth of debt if 9/11 did not happen? Do you think that the BILLIONS that have been wasted and unaccounted for would have happened??? This is the bigger picture that YOU are missing.... Follow the money...... Let's see..... Just recently one of Bush's Interrior people accepted a job with an oil company, when this woman was shamed out of Washington regarding these same companies......
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Indolent Wretch - Show me the types, capacities and number of people present in all the flights to back this up.
Then, show me the same figures for the equivalent scheduled flights for the same day of the week over the previous month and show me that the figures on the day of 9/11 were very different from normal.
Because if this pattern of occupation within these planes is even moderately normal then it cannot be used as any evidence that this is a conspiracy."
I'll see if I can find that information.
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Indolent Wretch - In fact it makes it less likely, as the conspirators wanting to create the maximum amount of horror and anger would have used the fullest planes they could get. Hell, if possible they would have taken a plane full of 8 years old on the way to the worlds cutest spelling bee contest."
And just how do they know what the passenger size is going to be???? You think that they had access to the computer system, or knew someone on the inside to fix the number of passengers???? You don't think this is possible?
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Indolent Wretch - And what conclusion do you draw from this?
In previous hijacking attempts on planes in flight, how many have been where the hijackers have consisted of multiple people armed with stabbing weapons, and where there was no requirement to keep the pilots alive. Of those hijacks in how many occasions were the mikes keyed or the emergency channels set off."
First off.... The cockpit is small.. So only ONE person would be able to get in quickly and there are TWO people in the cockpit. One of them could have and would have keyed the mike or triggered the emergency channel. Considering that MOST of the pilots were former Air Force Pilots, they know how to handle themselves in tough situations. Second, you make it sound like the doors were just wide open???? They have always been locked. So the "hijackers" would had to of kicked the door several times in order to get in. You don't think that they could have, or would have signaled then?? Especially with FOUR planes sorry, but what you have just implied is the most rediculous "conspiracy theory" .
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Indolent Wretch - What are the figures when restricted to only American internal flights?
If the figures show a low likelihood of these events occurring then it can only be taken as evidence of poor security methods in use on American internal flights, and that unhampered hijacking of these flights is very simple to a group of determined dangerous men."
See my previous comment.
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Indolent Wretch - Rummy had always wanted to attack Iraq. Known Hawk, been trying to get it to happen for years, as was Cheney, as was Rove. This is all public domain knowledge.
The fact that Rummy was as cynical and vile a human being to use this non-Iraq related tradgedy as a means of pushing a personal vendetta is a terrible testimony to the sort of people the Americans are allowing to run their country. Any of you that voted the republican ticket and elected that idiot Bush and has vile cronies should be totally and utterly ashamed of yourselves."
Finally you have said something that I whole heartedly agree with.
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Indolent Wretch - The fact that Rummy didn't already have a detailed dossier ready on his desk that contained the information necessary to attack Iraq, and the fact that the first thing America did was not attack Iraq but instead attack Afganistan, a much MUCH more sensible target given the Taleban regimes propensity for hosting Al-Queda terrorist training camps is surely proof that Rummy, at least, was not a 9/11 conspirator."
Really? What if the plan was to attack Afganistan and then Iraq and then Iran and then Syria???? They would only need to use 9/11, once they attacked afganistan, to project their plan as they went. Did you know that Bush was already planning on attacking Afganistan? He had the plans on his desk. This was because the Taliban did not want to deal with Bush about the OIL pipleline, so he told them that we would attack them.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,556279,00.html
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Indolent Wretch - I thought it was 'all', I probably have that wrong."
I believe the number was 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.
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Indolent Wretch - Undoubtedly extremist elements in Saudi Arabia are behind and financing a large amount of this stuff in the world. The Saudi regime is an awful, draconian dictatorship, bouyed by the presence of oil allowing them to continue vile practices with only the hint of condemnation from the worlds leaders.
It is not suprising however that little came of the Saudi involvement because of Americas need for oil and the Bush families close family ties with a number of royal and high ranking Saudi dignatories.
It's a shame but the current crop of America's leaders have sold their souls for oil. I'm sympathetic but it isn't my fault, I'm not American and I didn't vote for them."
Again we agree, except that last part.... I am American and I did NOT vote for them anythime.
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Indolent Wretch - If you want something done about it I suggest you try:
A) Not to elect the corrupt bastards in the first place, may I suggest a third party candidate or a democrat?
B) Reduce your dependency on oil a bit.. I'm fishing here but what car do you drive RemoveBush? How many MPG does it get?
C) Start demanding more research and implementation of environmental policies such as energy efficiency and renewable power sources from your elected representatives, and then don't vote for them if they do nothing about it. America is the most powerful nation on Earth maybe it should try and be a bit more independant."
Once again we agree.... It looks like the American people are starting to wake up by the thrashing the Republicans took recently.
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Indolent Wretch - It's terrible isn't it. But then the hijackers where Saudi, the hijackers were Islamic and Saudi is Islamic. Osama is Saudi.
Oil prices always go through the roof in times of turmoil. I'm sure the Saudi leaders are well aware of this and it's one of many things that makes them turn at LEAST a blind eye to terrorist activity within their borders.
It's a corrupt world but corruption and conspiracy are different things."
True, but in many instances they often become one in the same.
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Indolent Wretch - I'm not close minded.
I'm open minded.
I care very deeply for the fate of this planet and the human beings on it.
If pushed I would even say that there is a very small chance that elements of the US or possibly Saudi governments did have something to do with the attacks. A black op here, a nudge there, a blind eye somewhere else, a meeting that never happened, a CIA sting that went wrong. All of these are massively unlikely but one can not rule then out."
Well, at least you admit that it is possible..... I never claimed that any of the "theories", except the implosion, is FACT. I simply show that there ARE other possiblilities. Some may consider them as far fetched, others may think about them. When I have experience and FACTS to back me up I will state is as so.
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Indolent Wretch - But a controlled demolition? I'm sorry but your evidence is not convincing in the slightest. You have a closed mind, you are sure beyond all means that a controlled demolition happened and you are reading that fact into every piece of evidence that you see."
Sorry but I am not! I have been researching this for OVER 2 1/2 years. I once believed the official story, but when I heard of WTC7 I started researching it. I looked into MANY hours of video's from BOTH sides. I looked at proffessionals from BOTH sides. Then I looked at what those proffessionals who support this stance have to gain or maintain. The majority of them receive money from the government, and we all know that Bush rewards people who support him very well.
I ask you to watch this video...
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=9/11+mysteries
Notice that a Structural Engineer uses the words "IMPLOSION" for WTC7. So if WTC7 turns out to have been an implosion, do you think that it is impossible for the other towers to have been? This simply discredits the notion that NO Structural Engineers have not agreed with the Official version. Or you could watch this where a CD expert from the EU states that WTC7 was a CD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgoS...ch=wtc7 wtc controlled demolition 911 jowenko
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Indolent Wretch - Is this normal for you?"
Normal for me is looking at the data, and what I don't understand I try and find if someone else has written about it that does have the qualifications. Then I read them, I may not agree with them but I take their input in and use it to evaluate the rest of the data. I look at what they do and where they work. After all, if the company they work for is HEAVILY tied to government contracts, that makes their information less believeable to the money issue.
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Indolent Wretch - May I ask of the other famous world conspiracies which do you believe in?
U.S.S Liberty?
UFO abductions?
NASA Project Blue Beam?
Kennedy Assasinations?
Roswell?
Moon Landing Hoax?
I'm trying to meet you half way here I really am.
Help me out."
I believe 9/11 was known and performed or allowed to happen by our government.
I believe that USS Liberty was a form of a false flag, as the commander of the aircraft carrier has "un-officially" stated that LBJ told him he wanted that ship at the bottom of the ocean.
I believe that JFK was not a lone gunman. Ballistics proves this but Most people overlook this very simple and basic fact. A bullet will enter the body in a small hole and leave in a larger hole. JFK had a small hole in his forehead and half the back of his head was blown out. BALLISTICS proves that there had to be a shooter in the front area for this to happen.
As far as the UFO stuff.... I don't believe that we are the only people in this universe, so I am still debating this stuff. However, I have not seen enough evidence to show that we have been visited.
OKC was an inside job.... The bomb squad removed 3 to 5 bombs from inside the building that did not go off..... How can Tim McVeigh gain access to plant the bombs and how would he have detonated them???
oklahoma city bombing: startling evidence proves cover-up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMBvX3P8IjE
I only believe things that there is evidence to support. PERIOD.
