How Loony are the Loons?

babazaroni said:
RemoveBush, time for you to declare victory and leave.

Your long posts are horribly formatted and unreadable.
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Yes, it's clear now that he recognizes his arguments as being so weak that his only hope is crude obfuscation. Just one step above slinging his own feces at us like an irate monkey.
 
RemoveBush said:
U.S.S Liberty?
UFO abductions?
NASA Project Blue Beam?
Kennedy Assasinations?
Roswell?
Moon Landing Hoax?

I'm trying to meet you half way here I really am.

Help me out."

I believe 9/11 was known and performed or allowed to happen by our government.
I believe that USS Liberty was a form of a false flag, as the commander of the aircraft carrier has "un-officially" stated that LBJ told him he wanted that ship at the bottom of the ocean.
I believe that JFK was not a lone gunman. Ballistics proves this but Most people overlook this very simple and basic fact. A bullet will enter the body in a small hole and leave in a larger hole. JFK had a small hole in his forehead and half the back of his head was blown out. BALLISTICS proves that there had to be a shooter in the front area for this to happen.
As far as the UFO stuff.... I don't believe that we are the only people in this universe, so I am still debating this stuff. However, I have not seen enough evidence to show that we have been visited.
OKC was an inside job.... The bomb squad removed 3 to 5 bombs from inside the building that did not go off..... How can Tim McVeigh gain access to plant the bombs and how would he have detonated them???
oklahoma city bombing: startling evidence proves cover-up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMBvX3P8IjE

I only believe things that there is evidence to support. PERIOD.
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You are the loon of loons!

OKC was what? You have zero proof of anything on anything.

What a nut case. There was one bomb in OKC; u r nuts like Tim V and Saddam, both smarter in death then you are in life.

JFK, such an easy shot; I have hit my brother with a glass from a further distance and drawn blood! Dumb CT stuff must grow in your bs mind.

You are the top loon in this thread!

How loony is RB, just look at his posts.

You could be the looniest of all Loons in the CT movement; you could be famous.

Facts will make you less loony; but I think you will fall short on facts. You are on nut case loon.

You move from dumb idea to dumber ideas as fast as a loon.

What about Chemtrails? Got Chemtrails too?
 
"8den - Loads of buses where being diverted away from the area, it was being cleared because of the bomb."

This bus was diverted LONG before any bombs went off acording to this witness....

"8den - Whats that? An unsubstantiated quote from someone? Care to provide several witnesses you can support this claim. Can Mr Jones present an Oyster card or ticket from this trip? None of the three links appear to be of "daniel's" website they just quote it, one appears to be one paranoid dude, the rest just repeat its claims. Why doesn't he have surname, and why does he ignore the fact that several bus routes were diverted to tavistock square."

Would you really want to list your "surname"? I mean, look at how people here rips someone for OFFERING things that could occur, since the government has NOT proven its case. And the way they rip those in the government that step up against the Official version. You really expect people to put their necks out on the chopping block, even regarding the UK?

Feel free to contack them and ask!

"8den - Incidently if you're the NWO about to commit a terrorist travesity, why would you divert a bus to be blown up but send it so it's sitting outside the British Medical Institute with dozens of doctors nurses and consultants able to leap to the ready and help those wounded?"

Who knows? Why do governments do things that make no sense to the average citizen??? Because in some way shape or form it bennefits them.

"8den - Um, er, what? "

Perhaps this was a reading error, I'll just forget this part.

"8den - Firstly please provide evidence that "most" training exercising on the tube aren't based around tube. Vague claims about there being training exercising on the same day as other terrorist incidents isn't proof of 7/7 being an incide job."

First it is EVIDENCE, not proof. It substantiates what I stated about many of the terrorist attacks involve the same thing that the governments are training for.

"8den - As other posters have pointed out it is immensely tiresome and disrepectful of you not to grasp the quote function. I will ask again; please explain the significance of a minor training exercise, involving a subsection of the transport infrastructure, that had no control over the underground, paramedics, police, firedepartment, or even the bus service, as evidence of the 7/7 bombings being an "inside job"?"

Did 9/11 have control over the "paramedics, police, firedepartment" or any other entity other than the Federal Government? It SHOWS a pattern. One that in both countries has made people more fearful and caused them to give up more of thier rights. It's a PATTERN....
 
RemoveBush said:
"Indolent Wretch - Yes I do, in the same way that a burning bus with 15 children is full of children. These people died. They were murdered by extremist Islamist terrorists. The planes were used as dumb weapons yet they were FULL of people. FULL."

And you call the "truthers" idiots...... With this, you just show your ignorance..... A plane with 40 or 50 people is FULL.... No wonder you don't care about how many people are going to die from 9/11 due to poisoning from the LIES this government gave to the rescue workers. Your the one who is "pathetic", as you people have become so filled with HATE that you no longer care about your fellow man!







"Indolent Wretch - Yes because obviously these powerful evil people wouldn't be able to stop that would they?

Because if the buildings only half collapsed and burnt down then the investigators would have noticed the dodgy paint and insulation wouldn't they?

Then the families of the bereaved, murdered by terrorists, would have filed lawsuits against the owners for the illnesses that their dead loved ones never had the chance to go and develop wouldn't they?"

I really feel so sorry for you.... You people are so HATEFUL that i bet you slap your children, beat your wives, and kick your dogs. You have NO proof that those "terrorists" flew those planes..... Especially ones that could not even fly a CESNA! But they are able to handle a 767 plane like a pro......

"Indolent Wretch - Changing a report is easy if you're a politician

Ruining the lives of 1000s is a trivial exercise for a man of political power who believes its his pappy given right to rule

Arranging this consipiracy of yours is not so simple, it has great dangers and great consequences, they are not the same thing."

Nice none answer!!! A bunch of BABBLE, but no substance.

"Indolent Wretch - Yes they are you are quite right.

But these planes hadn't been flying for that long had they?

They still had a lot of fuel on board didn't they?

That fuel was more than enough to set fire to offices full of combustible material wasn't it?"

You mean the 5 - 15 % that actually was estimated to have remained in the building? Sure, but not hot enough to weaken the steel. STEEL is a conductor of heat. They will WICK heat away, so it would need to get MUCH hotter in one area to cause the steel to weaken. Guess basic principals like this escaped you, but I suspect that you just ignore information like this because it helps disprove your Deniers "theory".

"Indolent Wretch - WHAT VALUABLE EVIDENCE?

If there is no CD, what evidence is there that needs HIDING? What possible evidence could there be that requires your insane series of events just to hide..."

The fact that the planes COULD have been conltrolled by remote. With the black boxes found, which until NOW have always been recovered, it MIGHT show this.

"Indolent Wretch - "DODGY WALL INSULATION???????????????
SLIGHTLY TOXIC PAINT?????????????
A COUPLE OF SQUEEKY FLOOR TILES????????????

WHAT EVIDENCE? (yes I know I'm shouting)"

Nothing new, you people know how to do nothing else..... Well, that and accusing anyone who does not think like you as "loons".

"Indolent Wretch - Yes I know the world is ruthless. Yes the powerful do what they need in order to obtain their goals. Yes the rich do what they need in order to stay rich. Yes the rich and powerful are terrified of ever being removed from their wealth or power.

Thats my whole point.

THEY DO WHAT THEY NEED

There was no NEED to do a controlled demolition of the damned towers."

Really???? Do you believe that we would have gotten into 8 TRILLION dollars worth of debt if 9/11 did not happen? Do you think that the BILLIONS that have been wasted and unaccounted for would have happened??? This is the bigger picture that YOU are missing.... Follow the money...... Let's see..... Just recently one of Bush's Interrior people accepted a job with an oil company, when this woman was shamed out of Washington regarding these same companies......

"Indolent Wretch - Show me the types, capacities and number of people present in all the flights to back this up.

Then, show me the same figures for the equivalent scheduled flights for the same day of the week over the previous month and show me that the figures on the day of 9/11 were very different from normal.

Because if this pattern of occupation within these planes is even moderately normal then it cannot be used as any evidence that this is a conspiracy."

I'll see if I can find that information.

"Indolent Wretch - In fact it makes it less likely, as the conspirators wanting to create the maximum amount of horror and anger would have used the fullest planes they could get. Hell, if possible they would have taken a plane full of 8 years old on the way to the worlds cutest spelling bee contest."

And just how do they know what the passenger size is going to be???? You think that they had access to the computer system, or knew someone on the inside to fix the number of passengers???? You don't think this is possible?

"Indolent Wretch - And what conclusion do you draw from this?

In previous hijacking attempts on planes in flight, how many have been where the hijackers have consisted of multiple people armed with stabbing weapons, and where there was no requirement to keep the pilots alive. Of those hijacks in how many occasions were the mikes keyed or the emergency channels set off."

First off.... The cockpit is small.. So only ONE person would be able to get in quickly and there are TWO people in the cockpit. One of them could have and would have keyed the mike or triggered the emergency channel. Considering that MOST of the pilots were former Air Force Pilots, they know how to handle themselves in tough situations. Second, you make it sound like the doors were just wide open???? They have always been locked. So the "hijackers" would had to of kicked the door several times in order to get in. You don't think that they could have, or would have signaled then?? Especially with FOUR planes sorry, but what you have just implied is the most rediculous "conspiracy theory" .

"Indolent Wretch - What are the figures when restricted to only American internal flights?

If the figures show a low likelihood of these events occurring then it can only be taken as evidence of poor security methods in use on American internal flights, and that unhampered hijacking of these flights is very simple to a group of determined dangerous men."

See my previous comment.

"Indolent Wretch - Rummy had always wanted to attack Iraq. Known Hawk, been trying to get it to happen for years, as was Cheney, as was Rove. This is all public domain knowledge.

The fact that Rummy was as cynical and vile a human being to use this non-Iraq related tradgedy as a means of pushing a personal vendetta is a terrible testimony to the sort of people the Americans are allowing to run their country. Any of you that voted the republican ticket and elected that idiot Bush and has vile cronies should be totally and utterly ashamed of yourselves."

Finally you have said something that I whole heartedly agree with.

"Indolent Wretch - The fact that Rummy didn't already have a detailed dossier ready on his desk that contained the information necessary to attack Iraq, and the fact that the first thing America did was not attack Iraq but instead attack Afganistan, a much MUCH more sensible target given the Taleban regimes propensity for hosting Al-Queda terrorist training camps is surely proof that Rummy, at least, was not a 9/11 conspirator."

Really? What if the plan was to attack Afganistan and then Iraq and then Iran and then Syria???? They would only need to use 9/11, once they attacked afganistan, to project their plan as they went. Did you know that Bush was already planning on attacking Afganistan? He had the plans on his desk. This was because the Taliban did not want to deal with Bush about the OIL pipleline, so he told them that we would attack them.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/wtccrash/story/0,1300,556279,00.html

"Indolent Wretch - I thought it was 'all', I probably have that wrong."

I believe the number was 15 of the 19 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.

"Indolent Wretch - Undoubtedly extremist elements in Saudi Arabia are behind and financing a large amount of this stuff in the world. The Saudi regime is an awful, draconian dictatorship, bouyed by the presence of oil allowing them to continue vile practices with only the hint of condemnation from the worlds leaders.

It is not suprising however that little came of the Saudi involvement because of Americas need for oil and the Bush families close family ties with a number of royal and high ranking Saudi dignatories.

It's a shame but the current crop of America's leaders have sold their souls for oil. I'm sympathetic but it isn't my fault, I'm not American and I didn't vote for them."

Again we agree, except that last part.... I am American and I did NOT vote for them anythime.

"Indolent Wretch - If you want something done about it I suggest you try:

A) Not to elect the corrupt bastards in the first place, may I suggest a third party candidate or a democrat?

B) Reduce your dependency on oil a bit.. I'm fishing here but what car do you drive RemoveBush? How many MPG does it get?

C) Start demanding more research and implementation of environmental policies such as energy efficiency and renewable power sources from your elected representatives, and then don't vote for them if they do nothing about it. America is the most powerful nation on Earth maybe it should try and be a bit more independant."

Once again we agree.... It looks like the American people are starting to wake up by the thrashing the Republicans took recently.

"Indolent Wretch - It's terrible isn't it. But then the hijackers where Saudi, the hijackers were Islamic and Saudi is Islamic. Osama is Saudi.

Oil prices always go through the roof in times of turmoil. I'm sure the Saudi leaders are well aware of this and it's one of many things that makes them turn at LEAST a blind eye to terrorist activity within their borders.

It's a corrupt world but corruption and conspiracy are different things."

True, but in many instances they often become one in the same.

"Indolent Wretch - I'm not close minded.

I'm open minded.

I care very deeply for the fate of this planet and the human beings on it.

If pushed I would even say that there is a very small chance that elements of the US or possibly Saudi governments did have something to do with the attacks. A black op here, a nudge there, a blind eye somewhere else, a meeting that never happened, a CIA sting that went wrong. All of these are massively unlikely but one can not rule then out."

Well, at least you admit that it is possible..... I never claimed that any of the "theories", except the implosion, is FACT. I simply show that there ARE other possiblilities. Some may consider them as far fetched, others may think about them. When I have experience and FACTS to back me up I will state is as so.

"Indolent Wretch - But a controlled demolition? I'm sorry but your evidence is not convincing in the slightest. You have a closed mind, you are sure beyond all means that a controlled demolition happened and you are reading that fact into every piece of evidence that you see."

Sorry but I am not! I have been researching this for OVER 2 1/2 years. I once believed the official story, but when I heard of WTC7 I started researching it. I looked into MANY hours of video's from BOTH sides. I looked at proffessionals from BOTH sides. Then I looked at what those proffessionals who support this stance have to gain or maintain. The majority of them receive money from the government, and we all know that Bush rewards people who support him very well.

I ask you to watch this video...
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&q=9/11+mysteries

Notice that a Structural Engineer uses the words "IMPLOSION" for WTC7. So if WTC7 turns out to have been an implosion, do you think that it is impossible for the other towers to have been? This simply discredits the notion that NO Structural Engineers have not agreed with the Official version. Or you could watch this where a CD expert from the EU states that WTC7 was a CD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgoS...ch=wtc7 wtc controlled demolition 911 jowenko


"Indolent Wretch - Is this normal for you?"

Normal for me is looking at the data, and what I don't understand I try and find if someone else has written about it that does have the qualifications. Then I read them, I may not agree with them but I take their input in and use it to evaluate the rest of the data. I look at what they do and where they work. After all, if the company they work for is HEAVILY tied to government contracts, that makes their information less believeable to the money issue.

"Indolent Wretch - May I ask of the other famous world conspiracies which do you believe in?

U.S.S Liberty?
UFO abductions?
NASA Project Blue Beam?
Kennedy Assasinations?
Roswell?
Moon Landing Hoax?

I'm trying to meet you half way here I really am.

Help me out."

I believe 9/11 was known and performed or allowed to happen by our government.
I believe that USS Liberty was a form of a false flag, as the commander of the aircraft carrier has "un-officially" stated that LBJ told him he wanted that ship at the bottom of the ocean.
I believe that JFK was not a lone gunman. Ballistics proves this but Most people overlook this very simple and basic fact. A bullet will enter the body in a small hole and leave in a larger hole. JFK had a small hole in his forehead and half the back of his head was blown out. BALLISTICS proves that there had to be a shooter in the front area for this to happen.
As far as the UFO stuff.... I don't believe that we are the only people in this universe, so I am still debating this stuff. However, I have not seen enough evidence to show that we have been visited.
OKC was an inside job.... The bomb squad removed 3 to 5 bombs from inside the building that did not go off..... How can Tim McVeigh gain access to plant the bombs and how would he have detonated them???
oklahoma city bombing: startling evidence proves cover-up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMBvX3P8IjE

I only believe things that there is evidence to support. PERIOD.
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RemoveBush said:
"8den - Loads of buses where being diverted away from the area, it was being cleared because of the bomb."

This bus was diverted LONG before any bombs went off acording to this witness....

"8den - Whats that? An unsubstantiated quote from someone? Care to provide several witnesses you can support this claim. Can Mr Jones present an Oyster card or ticket from this trip? None of the three links appear to be of "daniel's" website they just quote it, one appears to be one paranoid dude, the rest just repeat its claims. Why doesn't he have surname, and why does he ignore the fact that several bus routes were diverted to tavistock square."

Would you really want to list your "surname"? I mean, look at how people here rips someone for OFFERING things that could occur, since the government has NOT proven its case. And the way they rip those in the government that step up against the Official version. You really expect people to put their necks out on the chopping block, even regarding the UK?

Feel free to contack them and ask!

"8den - Incidently if you're the NWO about to commit a terrorist travesity, why would you divert a bus to be blown up but send it so it's sitting outside the British Medical Institute with dozens of doctors nurses and consultants able to leap to the ready and help those wounded?"

Who knows? Why do governments do things that make no sense to the average citizen??? Because in some way shape or form it bennefits them.

"8den - Um, er, what? "

Perhaps this was a reading error, I'll just forget this part.

"8den - Firstly please provide evidence that "most" training exercising on the tube aren't based around tube. Vague claims about there being training exercising on the same day as other terrorist incidents isn't proof of 7/7 being an incide job."

First it is EVIDENCE, not proof. It substantiates what I stated about many of the terrorist attacks involve the same thing that the governments are training for.

"8den - As other posters have pointed out it is immensely tiresome and disrepectful of you not to grasp the quote function. I will ask again; please explain the significance of a minor training exercise, involving a subsection of the transport infrastructure, that had no control over the underground, paramedics, police, firedepartment, or even the bus service, as evidence of the 7/7 bombings being an "inside job"?"

Did 9/11 have control over the "paramedics, police, firedepartment" or any other entity other than the Federal Government? It SHOWS a pattern. One that in both countries has made people more fearful and caused them to give up more of thier rights. It's a PATTERN....
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Please will you use the quote function.

You are simply destroying your own thoughts by not doing so.

PLEASE USE THE QUOTE FUNCTION
 
RemoveBush said:
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First it is EVIDENCE, not proof. It substantiates what I stated about many of the terrorist attacks involve the same thing that the governments are training for.

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Dummy, an exercise brings in more people to help with a real world thing; an inside job would be sure to not have exercises so more people would be on duty.

Backward logic again from a fact less droid of the CT movement; Where do you come up with this half baked junk?

Are you Charlie Sheen? You sound like you never finished high School.
 
"MikeW - The 9/11 Commission looked at the load factor for those flights for the preceding 3 months & found Flight 11 had more passengers than average, Flight 77 was about average, Flight 175 was below average although within range (it had less passengers in two of the preceding 13 flights), and Flight 93 was exceptionally low (the lowest in the 13 Tuesdays considered). See http://www.911myths.com/html/passenger_numbers.html

Overall it is low, then, but not to the degree that the CTers pretend. I've seen a suggestion that traffic falls post-Labor Day anyway, in which case year-on-year tests might have revealed a similar pattern...? But being in the UK I have no idea if that's true or not."

It's fine if they provide some DATA to support this, but they don't! YOU are once again relying on information that has NOTHING to support it but the governments claim. If this is FACT, why have they not provide the data in thier report to support their claims?

Its nice that you believe blindly what you are told by the government, but when people who are in a position to know more make a statement contrary to the government, they are "crazy".

When will you people stop with the double standards?
 
Where is he; where did the loon go? oops he is on my list of loons, have to correct this and Think;

The most loony loons are the beam weapon ones; or those who post them as experts;

The guys like RB who post the expert beam weapon has to be loonier than the expert loon.

Simple loon logic.

Got any facts now? No ?
 
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RB:

I am ending my discussions with you now. The reason is simple. The people here have asked you to use the quote function. I think it is a reasonable request, and yet for no reason, you refuse. You know it is irritating them, and yet you continue. If your agenda was purely to debate the evidence and merits of arguments and opinions, you would have complied. It is now becoming clear to me, that you are infact trolling here, with no other purpose than to annoy the people here.

TAM:mad:
 
RemoveBush said:
"MikeW - The 9/11 Commission looked at the load factor for those flights for the preceding 3 months & found Flight 11 had more passengers than average, Flight 77 was about average, Flight 175 was below average although within range (it had less passengers in two of the preceding 13 flights), and Flight 93 was exceptionally low (the lowest in the 13 Tuesdays considered). See http://www.911myths.com/html/passenger_numbers.html

Overall it is low, then, but not to the degree that the CTers pretend. I've seen a suggestion that traffic falls post-Labor Day anyway, in which case year-on-year tests might have revealed a similar pattern...? But being in the UK I have no idea if that's true or not."

It's fine if they provide some DATA to support this, but they don't! YOU are once again relying on information that has NOTHING to support it but the governments claim. If this is FACT, why have they not provide the data in thier report to support their claims?

Its nice that you believe blindly what you are told by the government, but when people who are in a position to know more make a statement contrary to the government, they are "crazy".

When will you people stop with the double standards?
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only loons do not use the quote button!

Are you a loon RB?

Bet you are pdoh!?

I am making the call!
 
"MikeW - I've seen no discussion of that, in fact it's not something I've seen suggested before. I'd be surprised if it were true, because even Flight 93 had, what, 37 passengers, and that seems a lot of people to turn away. And how would it save them money? Presumably the plane still had to get to San Francisco because its next flight would be scheduled from there, so surely you can't just "not take off"? Makes no sense to me. Although I'm not familiar with US internal flight policy either, so perhaps I'm missing something..."

Actually, they would and do cancel the flights for low passenger bodies.... They will move passengers from one flight to another that is going the same way. As far as the return flight goes.... The same thing would happen.... They would transfer those passengers to another flight heading to the same location.

I have had to catch other flights many times because the passenger count was very low. I don't know what that count is, or other factors, but it costs about 50,000 dollars for a small bunch of people to fly and the return is about $200 dollars. It was recently on one of those Dateline type shows.
 
"JonnyFive - Definitely. I was reading a book once about the events that earned a few Medal of Honor winners their medals... holy [rule 8] that was something else. That normal people are willing to rise to such heroism to help their fellow soldiers says a lot about human courage.

But, according to the CTists, no one involved in this insane 9/11 plot would be willing to say anything.

I call BS on that."

And your making out that the LITTLE guy is the one who was in the know! Of course the LITTLE guy would not be part of this, as there is a larger chance for the truth to be told by a patriot!

Money will ensure a lot gets accomplished that is not legal or just.
 
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Actually, they would and do cancel the flights for low passenger bodies.... They will move passengers from one flight to another that is going the same way. As far as the return flight goes.... The same thing would happen.... They would transfer those passengers to another flight heading to the same location.

I have had to catch other flights many times because the passenger count was very low. I don't know what that count is, or other factors, but it costs about 50,000 dollars for a small bunch of people to fly and the return is about $200 dollars. It was recently on one of those Dateline type shows.
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Really ?

Name a single flight that has been cancelled due to under booking.
 
Well why don't we look up all the flights on that day, see how many of them were "low booked" so to speak, and see just ho many were cancelled. I mean, of course the evil cabal wouldnt shut down the flights they were going to use, but certainly, according to the theory proposed, there should have been many other flights that day that were "low booked" and should have been cancelled. Any way we can find out that info??

TAM
 
"Kiwiwriter - 1. The load factor on the fuel...note that the planes were on transcontinental flights, and hijacked right after take-off, and quickly flown into their targets. So they were heavily-loaded with fuel on take-off, time of hijacking, and time of impact."

Yes the plane had fuel. It had enough, and reserve, to reach its destination. Most ALL of it was exploded OUTSIDE the WTC, even NIST/FEMA (Which you live by) states this.

"Kiwiwriter - 2. If the WTC was facing condemnation for housing code violations, that's news to me and my friends who worked there, including the guy who was operations manager of the entire place."

I have submitted this already, but here it is again as I'm sure you have not seen it because it is probably on pg 27-28 and your asking this on pg 24.

http://www.skyscrapersafety.org/html/speaking_20040212sr.html
"But any discussion of the NYC codes is completely irrelevant to the WTC, because these buildings were, and remain, above the law. The Port Authority's deadly buildings, of unorthodox design and construction, were totally immune from every single NYC building and fire code and were subject to "the Port Authority's own codes" which remain a mystery to this day, because no one has ever seen them! The PA repeatedly claims that they "meet or exceed" NYC codes, however, history has show that this is a falsehood. No high rise building of 100% bar joist floor construction before or since the WTC has ever been allowed under NYC standards and practices. According to the NIST/WTC Collapse Investigation, there is no evidence that fire tests were ever done on the fireproofing of the WTC — this is a glaring example of lack of code compliance, to say the least. Finally, the untested fireproofing was grossly inadequate- a clear violation of NYC codes, however, since no FDNY violations can be issued to such an "immune" building, no codes violations were ever served on these dangerous buildings. Indeed, the FDNY had no jurisdiction in the WTC, but paradoxically, they were required to risk and eventually lose their lives in these buildings! What a disgrace — what a crime against humanity!"

"Kiwiwriter - 3. Passenger manifests and boarding passes don't include cellphone numbers, cellphone numbers of family, and their names, and certainly don't tell what passengers will say in their last phone calls to their families. How were they faked again?"

Correct, but they do make reservations days or weeks before the flight in most cases. You don't think they could get some or most of this information before hand? It is a possibility that could be done.

"Kiwiwriter - 4. The passengers were gassed on the plane? How were the planes modified for that purpose, who did that, what gas was used, and where did it come from?"

Once again, your putting the cart before the horse. That is like asking the police officer to identify the criminal at a crime scene when he has just pulled up to it without any investigation into the matter.

"Kiwiwriter - 5. Got anything better than your hatred of the US government and your beliefs in conspiracy theories to throw at us?"

I don't have hatred for the government! I simply believe that a rogue faction made/or allowed 9/11 to happen. BIG DIFFERNCE! By the way!!!! Why do you have such hate that EVERYTHING MUST be about HATE?

"Kiwiwriter - 6. What do you think about Jews? Don't give me the yearbook answer about "Zionism," or "Israel," or the "Palestinians," or about Holocaust denial and memorialization...what do you think about Jews?"

I don't care about them just like I don't care about UK or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or Russia or any other person, party, religion or whatever. They are people, why do they get special treatment and why are they any better than anyone else? I don't hate them or the mexicans, blacks, purples, or what ever. I guess your hatered just won't let you look at people as that, PEOPLE.
 
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RemoveBush said:
I guess the state of californial knows what it means, and just because you don't know something does not mean that it is not factual or possible:

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache...t+license+n.a.b.e.r&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=12
"Possession of at least ONE valid certificate or license certified by the Department of General Services, Telecommunications Division, and industry accepted, qualifying the person to perform transmitter installation, operation, maintenance, and repair duties. Those certificates and licenses currently certified by the Telecommunications Division for meeting this qualification are:

1.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]FCC General Radiotelephone Operator License.
2.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]FCC 1st Class or 2nd Class Radiotelegraph Operator’s Certificate.
3.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]NABER Two-Way Radio Technician Certificate.
4.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]APCO Two Way Radio Technician Certificate.
5.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]NARTE Technician or Engineer Certificate with Applicable Job Specifications Endorsement (s).
6.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]DGS, Telecommunications Division, Technician Certification Program."


Or mabye this?
http://www.actransit.org/pdf/job_classes/job_class_222.pdf
"License/Certification: Must possess and maintain a current FCC Second Class or General Radio Telephone
license OR a NABER (National Association of Business and Education Radio) OR an APCO (Associated Public
Safety Communications Offices) certificate . Must possess and maintain a valid California Class C Driver’s
License and meet the District’s driving standards."
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Great, now instead of saying that you have an equivalent 1st class FCC license, why don't you just tell us which one you have? Does it say "United States of America Federal Communications Commision" at the very top(like mine does)? ....or does it say something else?
By your logic, my FAA A&P license and Georgia state drivers license are also an FCC equivalent license..
 
RemoveBush said:
Actually, they would and do cancel the flights for low passenger bodies.... They will move passengers from one flight to another that is going the same way. As far as the return flight goes.... The same thing would happen.... They would transfer those passengers to another flight heading to the same location.

I have had to catch other flights many times because the passenger count was very low. I don't know what that count is, or other factors, but it costs about 50,000 dollars for a small bunch of people to fly and the return is about $200 dollars.
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Uhhh, are you just pulling facts outta yer arse now?

First, its not unheard of for an early AM/ late PM Tuesday or Saturday flight to go out nearly empty. In fact, I target those flights to travel on as a non-revenue standby passenger because there is no chance of getting bumped and you usually will get a seat up front.(Dr Lao I'm sure does the same thing). But regardless - airlines just can't cancel the flight because the airplane needs to be at its scheduled destination to complete its next leg(did ya know, most planes fly 6-8 legs a day?). I just checked my company cancellations list for today and all either cited weather or maintenance, no mention of low yields as a reason for cancellation. I'll keep my eye out though....:rolleyes: .

It was recently on one of those Dateline type shows
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Then you should be able to provide a source.....get to it.
 
defaultdotxbe said:
everyone click here to make RB disappear
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done.. if he cant abide by simple netiquette and after 1000's posts in this thread, the troll is not worth it. I suggest everyone do the same until he learns to use the quote button.

Till then, if he doesn't want to respect us, then we should not give him the time of day, nor any more of our time.
 
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