How Does JE Receive Messages?

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Originally posted by Instig8R
In another gallery reading on CO, JE did his remote viewing stunt, and claimed that he was being shown a map on the wall in the sitter's basement.

In the post-reading segment, the sitter's basement was shown and on the wall was a very poor drawing/painting of a tree, with brown bark and bright green leaves. Superimposed over it was a flowchart, showing the family tree. It was a very poor drawing of the Family Tree, not a map...

...but JE was credited with another unentitled hit...

Of course, even if a picture of Garfield the Cat was on the basement wall, there are some people who would still give JE credit for the hit.
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RC said:


I remember that one, 'g8r. See, even when I was a JE believer, I did take note of "weird" readings. This is one of them. It is true that JE said there was a map, the sitter nodded, but when it came to the post-reading analysis, we learned that it was a family tree.

It is examples like this where I don't understand why IR's hit with the old calendar is brushed off. JE gets details wrong and it's just the process.

I completely understand the argument that we haven't seen enough of IR's work, but to me the fact remains that he was able to get a hit that on the surface seemed rather unusual and was meaningful and relevant to the sitter.
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Hi, RC and Instig8R! Okay. Now, I've seen this hit brought up a couple of times already, in a rather negative fashion, and I always felt that the criticism was unfair, but didn't have the specifics to prove it, so I couldn't refute what you guys said about it. I did, however, remember it a little differently than you both did, and I also remembered that reading as being quite good in total, with the emphasis on a very beloved dad who had come through for his family.

So I am happy to report that in reviewing my collection of old "CO" tapes, I came across this very reading. :) Here is the relevant portion of the reading, where JE brings up the map item......

John: This is a strange thing to have in your house. Either in the basement, or in some big room - - a big old map up on the wall?

Sitter: Yes. It's a family tree he was making. Of Italy.

John: He was doing this?

Sitter: Yes.

John: Okay.
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So, as you both mentioned, the "CO" camera crew went to the sitter's house and ran some tape. What they showed was the view of the basement stairs, as shown from the top, and the camera then descended into the basement, zooming in on the wall, right at the base of the stairs, where this large family tree was hanging.

The family did, indeed, acknowledge to John that this was a map/family tree that their dad had made. What it actually was, upon seeing the tape again, was a large painting of a tree, with family history information written on the various branches. That much we agree upon.

Now, what was not so obvious from that quick shot that we all remembered seeing, was that the man had incorporated the shape of his family's country of origin, (Italy) right within the trunk of their family tree, and that is why John had been given a "map" reference. It's what got him to say "a big old map up on the wall", and the family immediately knew just what he was referring to.

So I wanted to mention that bit of information, just to keep things as accurate as possible. I'm still on the lookout for such old readings as "Drinking milk straight from the cow" , "Vuola" and whichever other readings contained hits that we had questions about. Take my word for it, it is very tedious searching for these. :rolleyes: .....neo
 
OK, spot the difference....

First an admitted cold reader..........

Ian Rowland: If I come in to your home door -- would I see a calendar or a wall chart with nothing to do with the current year? It's actually out of date.

Woman: (very emotional) She gave me a fabric calendar. I still have it.

That was from the 'unedited transcripts' thread.

Now let's see JE in action as quoted above.....

John: This is a strange thing to have in your house. Either in the basement, or in some big room - - a big old map up on the wall?

Sitter: Yes. It's a family tree he was making. Of Italy.


JE gives hims self a wide sweep with basement OR in some big room. Then a family tree which happens to contain a shape of a country in the middle of a tree is taken as a 'hit' for a map? That's just ridiculous.

Rowlands cold reading hit is far superior. IMHO.
 
Well, I'm curious, RonSkeptic, how impressive would you find this read if it were the other way around, done by JE rather than Ian?
John Edward

If I come in to your home door -- would I see a calendar or a wall chart with nothing to do with the current year? It's actually out of date.

Woman

She gave me a fabric calendar. I still have it (in a chest).
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So...having an out of date calendar is a hit. But it's not on the wall. He doesn't see it when he "comes in to the woman's home door"...The sitter herself adds the detail that it's fabric. The sitter validates that, yes, she has an out of date calendar (as IR says, who doesn't?) but that it's in a chest, not on the wall as the "medium" has claimed.

Would it still impress you if the sitter had answered the question like this:
John Edward

If I come in to your home door -- would I see a calendar or a wall chart with nothing to do with the current year? It's actually out of date.

Woman

Yes! OMG!!! I still have last year's calendar in my desk drawer!
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This is still exactly the same guess from the "medium" and the same validation from the sitter--i.e. that yes, the sitter does indeed have an out of date calendar somewhere in the house.

I find it so hard to accept that anyone would be impressed if JE had asked this calendar question in an LKL reading and gotten the answer, "Yes, I have an old calendar I don't use any more in my desk drawer."
 
Well, I'm curious, RonSkeptic, how impressive would you find this read if it were the other way around, done by JE rather than Ian?

I think you missed the point, believer. Both are equally unimpressive, but place if John Edward did it, you'd find it impressive.
 
I don't find either of them very impressive, no matter who did which one. Their both rather mundane examples of cold-reading, look at them their pretty much damned identical and gee willies, the sitter validates the details for both of them. Nothing to special here.
 
No, you've missed the point, TBK, because of your preconceived ideas about "believers". I wouldn't find it impressive at all.
 
Clancie said:
No, you've missed the point, TBK, because of your preconceived ideas about "believers". I wouldn't find it impressive at all.
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BS, Clancie, what you consider "special" hits are only special to believers.

The only difference between John Edward and other cold readers is "style" not content.
 
voidx said:
I don't find either of them very impressive, no matter who did which one. Their both rather mundane examples of cold-reading, look at them their pretty much damned identical and gee willies, the sitter validates the details for both of them. Nothing to special here.
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Exactly. We heard many times that what matters is how important the hit is to the sitter, whether the sitter is touched by it, whether the hit is meaningful. To me, the hits are equally (un) impressive. IR had the woman crying on the show. I have not seen the CO episode, so I do not know the reaction of JE's sitter.
 
Clancie said:
Well, I'm curious, RonSkeptic, how impressive would you find this read if it were the other way around, done by JE rather than Ian?
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It's a cold reading hit for an out of date calander, with some details correct and others incorrect. I think you will find that this is very typical of a JE reading. It is certainly a more impressive hit than claiming that a family tree is a map.

Frankly there is little to differentiate the two examples. I do not see how anyone can claim that there is a quality diffence between them which establishes one as a piece of cold reading and the other as communication from beyond the grave.
 
Clancie said:

I find it so hard to accept that anyone would be impressed if JE had asked this calendar question in an LKL reading and gotten the answer, "Yes, I have an old calendar I don't use any more in my desk drawer."
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Out of interest, did you find it impressive when JE was recieving somebody's 'nickname' sounding like a 'spice, salt or pepper,' but then accepted the dogs name Ginger?
 
Clancie,

Do you consider the opening of JE's example better than Rowland's? Why?

Why is JE not cold reading and why is Rowland?

And...you have not replied to these:

How do you know that people who are intuitive aren't using telepathy? Since you don't know how telepathy works, how can you rule this out immediately?

If you are a psychic means you are not being telepathic? This contradicts what neofight claims.

neofight,

Do you have examples of JE getting last names?

Do you have any evidence of this claim: "consciousness surviving physical death, and love truly being eternal"?

What "evidence" of mediumship are you talking about?
 
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