How do Truthers explain the cooperation/coordination needed within the US govt...

[Allen773]

Again...what does Mossad have to do with 9/11?

 

[Oystein]

Ron Unz was relaying information from the book Rise and Kill First by New York Times reporter Ronen Bergman.

- WINNER OF THE NATIONAL JEWISH BOOK AWARD IN HISTORY
- NAMED ONE OF THE BEST BOOKS OF THE YEAR BY The Economist • The New York Times Book Review • BBC History Magazine • Mother Jones • Kirkus Reviews
- “Leading any list of notable nonfiction books—Jewish or not—must be Ronen Bergman’s Rise and Kill First, a massive and extravagantly well-sourced history of the use of the tool of assassination by Israel’s intelligence services. . . . One’s mouth is often agape with amazement, even shock, while reading.”—Haaretz
- “Ronen Bergman has set out in incontestable detail the history and scale of Israel’s use of extrajudicial killing as an instrument of defense and foreign policy. His material is stark and sensational, but he steers a steady course through it, even pausing along the way to debate the effectiveness and morality of his subject. The result is a compelling read whatever your point of view.”—John le Carré

That doesn't answer the question of what and where the evidence is for Unz' remarks. Why did you quote Unz and not Bergman? I have a suspicion that Unz might cherry-pick and take stuff from Bergman's book out of context. It's your burden to lift the evidence.

If you wish to say that this book is entirely fictional ...

Oh don't Strawman me before I even start speaking on the issue! Do you think I would not spot your transparently fallacious shenanigans?

I have no time to continue reading such pervasively dishonest diatribes.

Let me know if and when you decide to debate honestly.

 

[bknight]

That doesn't answer the question of what and where the evidence is for Unz' remarks. Why did you quote Unz and not Bergman? I have a suspicion that Unz might cherry-pick and take stuff from Bergman's book out of context. It's your burden to lift the evidence.


Oh don't Strawman me before I even start speaking on the issue! Do you think I would not spot your transparently fallacious shenanigans?

I have no time to continue reading such pervasively dishonest diatribes.

Let me know if and when you decide to debate honestly.

Don't hold your breath.

 

[tanabear]

Again...what does Mossad have to do with 9/11?

Members of the Mossad were seen celebrating the 9/11 attacks and filming the event. They were picked up by the police and taken into custody. The were held and questioned by the FBI for 71 days. The FBI released a report on the incident. Here are some of the more memorable passages:

From the FBI report: “…one of the males appeared to be taking still photographs and video of the other males with the WTC in the background. All of the males appeared to be jovial in that they smiled, hugged one another, and gave “high fives“.

“Film obtained from the 35mm camera of one of the detainees was later developed and processed by the Newark Division. The photos clearly corroborate [Blank’s] statements in that the Israelis are visibly happy on nearly all of the photgraphs.”

“A former Urban Moving Systems employee later contacted the Newark Division with information indicating that he had quit his employment with Urban Moving Systems due to high amount of anti-American sentiment present among Urban’s employees. The former employee stated that an Israeli employee of Urban had even once remarked, ‘Give us twenty (20) years and we’ll take over your media and destroy your country.”

So why are Israelis and Mossad members so exuberant over the 9/11 attacks? Any reasonable person (i.e. non-skeptics) would find this highly suspicious.

That doesn't answer the question of what and where the evidence is for Unz' remarks. Why did you quote Unz and not Bergman? I have a suspicion that Unz might cherry-pick and take stuff from Bergman's book out of context. It's your burden to lift the evidence.

Oh don't Strawman me before I even start speaking on the issue! Do you think I would not spot your transparently fallacious shenanigans?.

I quoted Ron Unz when he wrote, "I think that this thoroughly documented history of Israeli major false-flag terrorist attacks, including those against American and other Western targets, should be carefully kept in mind when we consider the 9/11 attacks..."

You replied, "You repeated bare assertion by this Mr. Unz."

So I asked if the events(King David Hotel bombing, USS Liberty attack etc) detailed by Ron Unz were "bare assertions" or historical events. You did not answer this question.

Regarding the the plan to bomb an entire Beirut sports stadium, you can find an article about it here:

The remarkable disappearing act of Israel’s car-bombing campaign in Lebanon

From the article:

"According to the plan, several trucks loaded with about two tons of explosives were to be stationed around a Beirut theater where the PLO leadership planned to have dinner in December. “One massive explosion would eliminate the entire PLO leadership,” Bergman writes. The idea was abandoned (Bergman gives no explanation as to why) and immediately replaced with an even more ambitious (and potentially destructive) scheme. Code-named Olympia 2, it would take place on January 1, 1982. The target: a Beirut stadium where the PLO planned to celebrate the anniversary of its founding.

Ten days prior to the attack, agents recruited by Dagan positioned large amounts of explosives under the VIP dais where the Palestinian leaders would be sitting, all of them “remotely controlled detonation device.” That was not all however. “At one of the unit’s bases three miles from the border,” Bergman explains, “three vehicles – a truck loaded with a ton and a half of explosives and two Mercedes sedans with 550 pounds each – had been prepared.” On the day of the celebration, “three Shiite members of the Front for the Liberation of Lebanon from Foreigners” would drive these vehicles and park them outside the stadium. “They would be detonated by remote control about a minute after the explosives under the dais,” the author writes, “when the panic was at its height and the people who had survived were trying to get away,” before adding: “The death and destruction were expected to be “of unprecedented proportions, even in terms of Lebanon,” in the words of a very senior officer of the Northern Command.”

 

[Allen773]

K. Even if we generously assume that is all true, it means nothing. Sunni Islamist terrorists planned and carried out 9/11.

 

[Axxman300]

This is the best write-up of the "Dancing Israelis" from a non-antisemitic source:

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients' actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. "You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They're speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on 'em. One's got a wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that's a scary situation."

But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had come to America for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company, and were taking pictures of the event.

The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.

The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.

In short, the FBI gave them the treatment.

Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.

So let's say they're Mossad. So what?

Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11.

For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

Weird, because the FBI was also spying on those targets too.

Anyway, the Dancing Israelis has been put to bed 18 years ago.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

“A former Urban Moving Systems employee later contacted the Newark Division with information indicating that he had quit his employment with Urban Moving Systems due to high amount of anti-American sentiment present among Urban’s employees. The former employee stated that an Israeli employee of Urban had even once remarked, ‘Give us twenty (20) years and we’ll take over your media and destroy your country.”

Well, that's not far off now.
How is that Israeli plan going? Is there any free media left in America? Has the US been destroyed yet?
Any signs of the Evil Jewish Plan To Do Evil Things Because Evil And Jewish at all?

 

[beachnut]

... So why are Israelis and Mossad members so exuberant over the 9/11 attacks? Any reasonable person (i.e. non-skeptics) would find this highly suspicious. ...

You mean like when JFK was killed the neo-NAZI idiot kid in the class expressed himself standing up and exposing his bigotry and hate inspired by his parents biases and hate.

You think everyone like the USA? How did the Mossad the enemy of UBL, get UBL to do 9/11? Easy, UBL promised to kill Americans. Mossad did not have to do anything.

Now you think idiots were celebrating death, and that is proof for a false flag, which was done by UBL who promised to do it? What great logic you have, the logic of fantasy. All you have to do is quote mine and cherry pick your way to BS - you are good at it but fail to realize "Any reasonable person (i.e. non-skeptics)" and skeptics know your full of BS. Maybe you need to be more skeptical of your fantasy side.

You post BS, and fail to make a point. You can't say what you want to say because it is so far into fantasy and nonsense. oops, you said it by quoting other people?

Do you have any thing to say?

 

[Allen773]

Do you have any thing to say?

*crickets*

 

[tanabear]

K. Even if we generously assume that is all true, it means nothing. Sunni Islamist terrorists planned and carried out 9/11.

The only basis for believing that Sunni Islamist terrorists carried out the 9/11 attacks is that the government said so. We can go by the adage, "Trust but verify". but when we attempt to verify the story falls apart.

The media-intelligence complex (MIC) also stated that Saddam Hussein was in league with bin Laden; that he was producing massive amounts of WMD; that he was working on a nuclear program; that Mohamed Atta had met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague for the purpose of obtaining Anthrax etc.

On the eve of the Iraq Attaq President Bush had stated, "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

Yet after the invasion all these WMDs seemed to just disappear into the ether.

The same thing occurred after 9/11; the FBI was looking for all these Islamic terror cells all over the country but none ever seemed to turn up. But without making much of an effort at all, the American government quickly rounded up and detained some 60 Israeli and Mossad agents. And the only ones arrested because they were seen celebrating the 9/11 attacks were Israelis, not Muslims.

This is the best write-up of the "Dancing Israelis" from a non-antisemitic source:

I was quoting from the FBI report on the detained Israeli agents. The only thing that makes it "anti-semitic" is that it is true information which contradicts the official narrative promulgated by the MIC. The story was put to bed, yes, but a better way of saying it is that that the story was memory-holed. Any piece of information that can't be made consistent with the official narrative will be dumped down the drain like it never happened at all.

How many people remember this incident?

Ron Unz writes, "Just a month after the 9/11 attacks, two Israelis were caught sneaking weapons and explosives into the Mexican Parliament building, a story that naturally produced several banner-headlines in leading Mexican newspapers at the time but was greeted by total silence in the American media. Eventually, under massive political pressure, all charges were dropped and the Israeli agents were deported back home."

I was still able to locate a small article on this event from Diario de México,

Translated from Spanish:
Bomb in San Lázaro Two arrested, one a foreigner Were carrying attaché case with explosives and grenades, Carrying guns, were arrested by guards

THERE was uproar in the Chamber of Deputies, provoked by the arrested of two individuals, presumed to be of Israeli origin, who were carrying a high power gun and an attaché case with nine grenades, three magazines with 53 cartridges and C-4 explosives, considered to be highly powerful. The arrested men who said they were called Salvador Gerson Sunke, of Mexican nationality, and Sar ben Zui, who said he was a colonel of the Israeli special forces, remained in custody for over three hours in the legislature building, during which they said nothing, before they were interviewed by officials of the Public Prosecutor's office (PGR) who removed them from the Legislature Palace, concealed in hoods, and placed them under arrest."

Apparently they had been carrying Pakistani passports. Nevertheless, this incident was quickly forgotten about.

Well, that's not far off now.
How is that Israeli plan going? Is there any free media left in America? Has the US been destroyed yet?
Any signs of the Evil Jewish Plan To Do Evil Things Because Evil And Jewish at all?

"The former employee stated that an Israeli employee of Urban had even once remarked, ‘Give us twenty (20) years and we’ll take over your media and destroy your country."
FBI report

It sounds like some of those Israeli agents may have been perusing the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

Ron Unz has remarked on how much America has decayed since 9/11; insolvency (5 trillion dollar debt ballooning to 20 trillion plus) declining life expectancy; the opioid epidemic, crumbling infrastructure etc.

Ron Unz, "The endless American wars soon unleashed have already cost us many trillions of dollars and set our nation on the road to bankruptcy while killing or displacing many millions of innocent Middle Easterners...Our traditional civil liberties and constitutional protections have been drastically eroded, with our society having taken long steps toward becoming an outright police state...Partly as a consequence, almost no other nation [Israel] in the world has so enormously improved its strategic and economic situation during the last seventeen years, even while a large fraction of the American population has become completely impoverished during that same period and our national debt has grown to insurmountable levels. A parasite can often grow fat even as its host suffers and declines."

That pretty much sums up our fake news century so far.

 

[Axxman300]

Nobody cares what Ron Unz thinks. He is a nutjob.

The media-intelligence complex (MIC) also stated that Saddam Hussein was in league with bin Laden; that he was producing massive amounts of WMD; that he was working on a nuclear program; that Mohamed Atta had met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague for the purpose of obtaining Anthrax etc.

On the eve of the Iraq Attaq President Bush had stated, "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

And this is a shining example of why 911 Trutherism is dangerous. Anyone who tells you Al Qaeda was part of a larger conspiracy is a liar, and racist.

Members of the Bush Administration, like every 911 Truther, latched onto rumors and cherry-picked information to to bolster their idiotic theory that Saddamn was behind 911, and justify invading Iraq. Just as Unz cherry-picks information information to bolster his anti-Israeli world view (because he has daddy issues).

Unz is no different that the Bush Administration. He a bigoted fool who appeals to racist morons.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

The only basis for believing that Sunni Islamist terrorists carried out the 9/11 attacks is that the government said so.

No, it isn't. That is absolutely untrue, and to say so just displays willful ignorance.

We can go by the adage, "Trust but verify". but when we attempt to verify the story falls apart.

OK, great. Let's do that.

The media-intelligence complex (MIC) also stated that Saddam Hussein was in league with bin Laden; that he was producing massive amounts of WMD; that he was working on a nuclear program; that Mohamed Atta had met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague for the purpose of obtaining Anthrax etc.

This is about the pretext for the Iraq invasion, not about the guilt of Al Qaeda.

On the eve of the Iraq Attaq President Bush had stated, "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."

Not relevant, as noted above.

Yet after the invasion all these WMDs seemed to just disappear into the ether.

Not relevant, as noted above.

The same thing occurred after 9/11; the FBI was looking for all these Islamic terror cells all over the country but none ever seemed to turn up.

Utter bilge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unsuccessful_terrorist_plots_in_the_United_States_post-9/11

But without making much of an effort at all, the American government quickly rounded up and detained some 60 Israeli and Mossad agents.

Citation needed.

And the only ones arrested because they were seen celebrating the 9/11 attacks were Israelis, not Muslims.

There are Israeli Muslims, you know.

So, you have failed in your stated objective of examining the common narrative.
Nothing you have said here disproves the involvement of Al Qaeda.
Thus, the common narrative stands.

Ron Unz writes, "

Ron Unz.
Yeah, he's credible.

 

[Oystein]

...
The media-intelligence complex (MIC) also stated that Saddam Hussein was in league with bin Laden; that he was producing massive amounts of WMD; that he was working on a nuclear program; that Mohamed Atta had met with Iraqi intelligence in Prague for the purpose of obtaining Anthrax etc.

On the eve of the Iraq Attaq President Bush had stated, "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
...

Thanks for bringing or our attention an important case in which the mainstream media figured out that what the government claimed was WRONG:

You see, where I live, in Germany, it was commonly accepted - because main stream media had investigated and found the claims to be highly dubious - that the Bush administration, perhaps best remembered in personam Colin Powell presenting before the UN Security Council, was mistaken at best, plainly lying at worst, about Iraqi WMD. Also, by that time not even the US administration claimed any longer that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11. Why? Because that claim had been thoroughly discredited by mainstream media.

You would be right if you claimed that the media reported the false US government claims - and that some media, perhaps mostly those ideologically close to the GOP, even believed them for a while. But all the time, there was also competing narratives, such as the one by the UN Security Council's own weapons inspectors on the ground in Iraq (Hans Blix, Scott Ritter), or such as Al Qaeda's own admissions and last wills, as published by mainstream media in the Middle East and also reported by western mainstream media.

As time wore on, as more and more facts came to light, as actual, able investigative journalists did their hard work, the falsehoods that we all today know to have been false were pointed out as false - by the mainstream media.

We did NOT learn this from antisemtic conspiracy fantasists and late-comers like you.

 

[pgimeno]

The only basis for believing that Sunni Islamist terrorists carried out the 9/11 attacks is that the government said so.

Not sure if you're lying, or just wrong.

Thing is, we have many non-government sources pointing to that. The passenger manifests didn't come from government sources, for example; they came from a private company. Jarrah's girlfriend is not a government source either. The 9/11 Commission Report contains lots of footnotes, many of which contain sources that are not from the government.

Why don't you verify the sources of the 9/11 Commission Report, for example? That'd be a big step towards a real verification of whether Sunni Islamist terrorists carried out the 9/11 attacks.

And once you've verified them, try to reconcile that with your view.

 

[Richard the G]

The truth movement can easily explain the 9/11 cover-up.

Its simply the Trump - Obama - Bush administrations working seamlessly together for the good of America.

 

[bknight]

The truth movement can easily explain the 9/11 cover-up.

Its simply the Trump - Obama - Bush administrations working seamlessly together for the good of America.

Like that would ever happen.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Like that would ever happen.

Actually I swept it all under the carpet.

 

[tanabear]

Well, that's not far off now.
How is that Israeli plan going? Is there any free media left in America? Has the US been destroyed yet?
Any signs of the Evil Jewish Plan To Do Evil Things Because Evil And Jewish at all?

Well, considering all that has happened over this summer, I would say that the plot to destroy America is going smashingly well.

Nobody cares what Ron Unz thinks. He is a nutjob.

He may or may not be a nutjob, but if he is you could say specifically and exactly where you think he is wrong. But you don't do that.

But let's go through a little checklist in regards to the Dancing Israelis and those who worked for the Mossad front company "Urban Moving Systems."

Anti-American sentiment:
Desire to destroy America:
Foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks:
Celebrating the 9/11 attacks once they start:

So for the Dancing Israelis that worked for Urban Moving Systems this is already quite incriminating. Also consider that their owner, Dominik Suter, fled back to Israel a few days after the 9/11 attacks.

Now let's consider foreknowledge of the collapse of the towers on 9/11. Did any group have foreknowledge? Yes.

Apparently, this bit of information came from the highly suspicious Office of Emergency Management(OEM). It was EMT Richard Zarrillo who relayed the message to some of the fire captains that the South Tower would collapse. He says, “OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out.” Fire Chief Pete Ganci’s response is, “who the f___ told you that?” Seconds later, they hear the noise of the South Tower as it collapses.

Foreknowledge of the collapse of WTC7 occurred hours before the actual collapse. An engineer had relayed information to Deputy Chief Peter Hayden of the New York Fire Department that the building would collapse within 5 hours or so. Hayden will recall, “He said yes and he gave an approximate time of five to six hours, which was pretty much right on the money because the building collapsed about 5 o’clock that afternoon.” Hayden will not reveal the name of this engineer.

Michael Currid FDNY: "Someone from the Office of Emergency Management told us that this building was in serious danger of collapse…. Rich, a few other people and I went inside to the stairwells and started yelling up, 'Drop everything and get out!'"

The emergency bunker(EOC) for the OEM was on the 23rd floor of WTC7. But for some reason it was empty that morning and there has never been a good explanation as to why. John Farmer, who headed the 9/11 Commission unit that assessed the city response to the attacks, will find it “strange that Richard Sheirer[director of the OEM], four OEM deputies, and a field responder went straight to the North Tower… rather than to the nearby emergency command center.” John Farmer goes on, “We tried to get a sense of what Sheirer was really doing. We tried to figure it out from the videos. We couldn’t tell. Everybody from OEM was with him, virtually the whole chain of command. Some of them should have been at the command center.”

Note: So people knew ahead of time that WTC7 would collapse. In fact, it was reported before it collapsed and they established a perimeter around the building waiting for it to come down.

Jerome Hauer was the director of the OEM from 1996 to 2000. At the time of 9/11 attacks he was the Managing Director at Kroll Associates, the "CIA of Wall Street", and was in charge of security for the World Trade Towers.

Jerome Hauer had an interview with Dan Rather on the day of 9/11 and Hauer seems to already know how the towers collapsed and who was behind it, officially.

Dan Rather: Based on what you know, and I recognize we’re dealing with so few facts, is it possible that just a plane crash could have collapsed these buildings, or would it have required the, sort of, prior positioning of other explosives in the, uh, in the buildings? I mean, what do you think?

Jerome Hauer: No, I, uh, my sense is just the velocity of the plane and the fact that you have a plane filled with fuel hitting that building, uh, that burned, uh, the velocity of that plane, uh, certainly, uh, uh, had an impact on the structure itself, and then the fact that it burned and you had that intense heat, uh, probably weakened the structure as well, uh, and I think it, uh, was, uh, simply the, uh, the planes hitting the buildings, and, and causing the collapse.

Dan Rather: What perspective can you give us? I mean, there have been these repeated reports that, well, yes, Osama Bin Laden, but some think he’s been over-emphasized as, as responsible for these kinds of events. I know many intelligence, uh, people at very high levels who say, listen, you can’t have these kinds of attacks without having some state, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, somebody involved. Put that into perspective for us.

Jerome Hauer: Yeah, well I’m not sure I agree that, umm, this is necessarily state-sponsored. Umm, it, as I mentioned earlier, certainly has, umm, the, uh, fingerprints of somebody like Bin Laden.

So Jerome Hauer knew how the towers collapsed and who was behind the attacks while the ground at 9/11 was still smoldering. Why was he so dismissive of the possibility of bombs being used? As director of OEM he would have known that is how Ramzi Yousef and company carried out the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. There were many reports of explosions that day. But what Jerome Hauer was doing was laying out the official narrative for the American people to gobble up.

So foreknowledge of the attacks came from two groups, the "Dancing Israelis" (read: Mossad) and the OEM (read: sayanim). This is standard protocol for how Israel carries out false-flag attacks against other countries.

Ron Unz comments on Victor Ostrovsky's writings on the Mossad,

"Ostrovsky emphasized the remarkable nature of Mossad as an organization, especially when compared to its late Cold War peers that served the two superpowers. The KGB had 250,000 worldwide employees and the CIA tens of thousands, but Mossad’s entire staff barely numbered 1,200, including secretaries and cleaning personnel. While the KGB deployed an army of 15,000 case officers, Mossad operated with merely 30 to 35. This astonishing efficiency was made possible by Mossad’s heavy reliance on a huge network of loyal Jewish volunteer “helpers” or sayanim scattered all across the world, who could be called upon at a moment’s notice to assist in an espionage or assassination operation, immediately lend large sums of money, or provide safe houses, offices, or equipment."

Can anyone name another group where a similar checklist of anti-American sentiment, highly specific foreknowledge, and joyous reaction to the 9/11 attacks can be given? No.

The 9/11 attacks were a Mossad and Sayanim operation.

 

[Allen773]

Oh boy...

 

[Allen773]

Well, considering all that has happened over this summer, I would say that the plot to destroy America is going smashingly well.

The idea that anyone "plotted" the chaos and ineptitude of the current global (not just American) crisis is a dark attempt at humor.

Anti-American sentiment:
Desire to destroy America:
Foreknowledge of the 9/11 attacks:
Celebrating the 9/11 attacks once they start:

Yup, you just described Al-Qaeda.

Now let's consider foreknowledge of the collapse of the towers on 9/11. Did any group have foreknowledge? Yes.

Al-Qaeda didn't anticipate the towers collapsing, but they definitely celebrated it, yes.

Apparently, this bit of information came from the highly suspicious Office of Emergency Management(OEM). It was EMT Richard Zarrillo who relayed the message to some of the fire captains that the South Tower would collapse. He says, “OEM says the buildings are going to collapse; we need to get out.” Fire Chief Pete Ganci’s response is, “who the f___ told you that?” Seconds later, they hear the noise of the South Tower as it collapses.

How is this "highly suspicious?" You do realize that the Twin Towers showed indications of imminent collapse before they actually did "seconds later", yes? You think the "highly suspicious" (??) OEM wouldn't have been paying attention to the calamity in Lower Manhattan on that day?

Foreknowledge of the collapse of WTC7 occurred hours before the actual collapse. An engineer had relayed information to Deputy Chief Peter Hayden of the New York Fire Department that the building would collapse within 5 hours or so. Hayden will recall, “He said yes and he gave an approximate time of five to six hours, which was pretty much right on the money because the building collapsed about 5 o’clock that afternoon.” Hayden will not reveal the name of this engineer.

"approximate time of five to six hours." Wow, that sounds incredibly specific. Especially because WTC7 was RIGHT NEXT TO THE TWO MASSIVE BUILDINGS THAT HAD COLLAPSED THAT MORNING AND WAS SEVERELY DAMAGED AND ON FIRE AS A RESULT.

Sorry for yelling. Anyway...

Michael Currid FDNY: "Someone from the Office of Emergency Management told us that this building was in serious danger of collapse…. Rich, a few other people and I went inside to the stairwells and started yelling up, 'Drop everything and get out!'"

Good, OEM saved lives.

The emergency bunker(EOC) for the OEM was on the 23rd floor of WTC7. But for some reason it was empty that morning and there has never been a good explanation as to why. John Farmer, who headed the 9/11 Commission unit that assessed the city response to the attacks, will find it “strange that Richard Sheirer[director of the OEM], four OEM deputies, and a field responder went straight to the North Tower… rather than to the nearby emergency command center.” John Farmer goes on, “We tried to get a sense of what Sheirer was really doing. We tried to figure it out from the videos. We couldn’t tell. Everybody from OEM was with him, virtually the whole chain of command. Some of them should have been at the command center.”

So they weren't adequately prepared before 9/11. That isn't a new criticism.

Note: So people knew ahead of time that WTC7 would collapse. In fact, it was reported before it collapsed and they established a perimeter around the building waiting for it to come down.

Yes, they predicted a severely damaged and burning building would collapse and established a perimeter to keep people away from a dangerous situation. Good on them!

Jerome Hauer was the director of the OEM from 1996 to 2000. At the time of 9/11 attacks he was the Managing Director at Kroll Associates, the "CIA of Wall Street", and was in charge of security for the World Trade Towers.

Jerome Hauer had an interview with Dan Rather on the day of 9/11 and Hauer seems to already know how the towers collapsed and who was behind it, officially.

Dan Rather: Based on what you know, and I recognize we’re dealing with so few facts, is it possible that just a plane crash could have collapsed these buildings, or would it have required the, sort of, prior positioning of other explosives in the, uh, in the buildings? I mean, what do you think?

Jerome Hauer: No, I, uh, my sense is just the velocity of the plane and the fact that you have a plane filled with fuel hitting that building, uh, that burned, uh, the velocity of that plane, uh, certainly, uh, uh, had an impact on the structure itself, and then the fact that it burned and you had that intense heat, uh, probably weakened the structure as well, uh, and I think it, uh, was, uh, simply the, uh, the planes hitting the buildings, and, and causing the collapse.

Dan Rather: What perspective can you give us? I mean, there have been these repeated reports that, well, yes, Osama Bin Laden, but some think he’s been over-emphasized as, as responsible for these kinds of events. I know many intelligence, uh, people at very high levels who say, listen, you can’t have these kinds of attacks without having some state, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Syria, somebody involved. Put that into perspective for us.

Jerome Hauer: Yeah, well I’m not sure I agree that, umm, this is necessarily state-sponsored. Umm, it, as I mentioned earlier, certainly has, umm, the, uh, fingerprints of somebody like Bin Laden.

So Jerome Hauer knew how the towers collapsed and who was behind the attacks while the ground at 9/11 was still smoldering. Why was he so dismissive of the possibility of bombs being used? As director of OEM he would have known that is how Ramzi Yousef and company carried out the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center. There were many reports of explosions that day. But what Jerome Hauer was doing was laying out the official narrative for the American people to gobble up.

No, Hauer was not "laying out the official narrative for the American people to gobble up." He was making some measured and preliminary statements based on what he knew and what he saw - and he turned out to be correct. No doubt, his experience in both security and emergency management helped him draw such solid conclusions.

Why do you think Dan Rather was asking Hauer those questions? You think Rather wanted some layman's opinion?

So foreknowledge of the attacks came from two groups, the "Dancing Israelis" (read: Mossad) and the OEM (read: sayanim). This is standard protocol for how Israel carries out false-flag attacks against other countries.

Ron Unz comments on Victor Ostrovsky's writings on the Mossad,

"Ostrovsky emphasized the remarkable nature of Mossad as an organization, especially when compared to its late Cold War peers that served the two superpowers. The KGB had 250,000 worldwide employees and the CIA tens of thousands, but Mossad’s entire staff barely numbered 1,200, including secretaries and cleaning personnel. While the KGB deployed an army of 15,000 case officers, Mossad operated with merely 30 to 35. This astonishing efficiency was made possible by Mossad’s heavy reliance on a huge network of loyal Jewish volunteer “helpers” or sayanim scattered all across the world, who could be called upon at a moment’s notice to assist in an espionage or assassination operation, immediately lend large sums of money, or provide safe houses, offices, or equipment."

I'm not going to bother with this anti-Semitism.

Can anyone name another group where a similar checklist of anti-American sentiment, highly specific foreknowledge, and joyous reaction to the 9/11 attacks can be given?

Yes, and that group was al-Qaeda.

The 9/11 attacks were a Mossad and Sayanim operation.

Nice try, but nope.