How do pagans celebrate Christmas?

Genesius said:
I think this quote from Firestream pretty much sums up Kathy's position:



:jaw-dropp

So science is a tool of Satan, to be discarded anytime it contradicts the Bible. OK everybody, throw out your globes! The Earth is flat again. Praise Jesus!
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I don't think the bible needs the help of science when it comes to contradiction.
 
I originally purchased the Satanic Bible as a form of rebellion against God and everything else. But the more I read it, the more interested I was getting into the spell and ritual sections of the book. I even had a copy of the Necronomicon. I think I'm very lucky that I didn't go any farther into the spellcasting, etc., because I shudder to think what may have happened.
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From a gent called "Sword of the heretic"

Ok, the Satanic Bible was written by LeVey as a sort of counterpoint to the hypocracy he witnessed being a carney in the 40'2 & 50's.

Necrominocon? Spell casting?
:dl::dl::dl::dl::dl::dl:
A book created by Lovecraft as a major literary boogyman...the scary thing is that I know people who think like this guy. So, so sad.
 
kmortis said:
Necrominocon? Spell casting?
A book created by Lovecraft as a major literary boogyman...the scary thing is that I know people who think like this guy. So, so sad.
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Lovecraft didn't even write it. It was just a concept he thought up, an ancient occult text written by a mad Arab, as a literary device.
What's really sad is not so much that people believe there ever was such a book, but that people have actually written "Necronomicons" since. And people actually believe these fake texts are the real Necronomicon that Lovecraft wrote about.
 
sophia8 said:
Lovecraft didn't even write it. It was just a concept he thought up, an ancient occult text written by a mad Arab, as a literary device.
What's really sad is not so much that people believe there ever was such a book, but that people have actually written "Necronomicons" since. And people actually believe these fake texts are the real Necronomicon that Lovecraft wrote about.
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Right, so that makes it doublely funny.

Well, I guess if you can buy that 66 books of questionable authorship are real, then one more doesn't make a difference. Maybe I should send that guy a copy of the "Pnoptic Manuscript" (or however it's spelled)
 
Time to inject an otherwise dull anecdote...

Back in '93, when I was attending the University of South Florida in Tampa, FL, the university library had an interesting room: a rare volumes room which, essentially, was a climate-controlled, low-light, security access area for hard-to-find volumes. In the back of the room, in its own enclosure, was a pedestal on which sat a large volume of largely latin writing, done with metal hinges and clasps, and a big warning sign on the doorway. The sign proclaimed the book to be an early copy of the Necronomicon, and further went on to disavow the library and university of any resulting unfortunate circumstances should the unwary patron glance at this book. Well, at that point in time, I was definitely a believer in the supernatural, but I was also a cocky, invulnerable kid, so I went in and had a long look-see through the pages.

Of course, since I don't read a bit of Latin, I suppose I was in no trouble.

Now, years later, do I realize it had to be merely an elaborate practical joke of some sort.
 
zaayrdragon said:
Time to inject an otherwise dull anecdote...

Back in '93, when I was attending the University of South Florida in Tampa, FL, the university library had an interesting room: a rare volumes room which, essentially, was a climate-controlled, low-light, security access area for hard-to-find volumes. In the back of the room, in its own enclosure, was a pedestal on which sat a large volume of largely latin writing, done with metal hinges and clasps, and a big warning sign on the doorway. The sign proclaimed the book to be an early copy of the Necronomicon, and further went on to disavow the library and university of any resulting unfortunate circumstances should the unwary patron glance at this book. Well, at that point in time, I was definitely a believer in the supernatural, but I was also a cocky, invulnerable kid, so I went in and had a long look-see through the pages.

Of course, since I don't read a bit of Latin, I suppose I was in no trouble.

Now, years later, do I realize it had to be merely an elaborate practical joke of some sort.
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Funny, the one at Northern Illinois University is in Sumerian....
 
kmortis said:
Funny, the one at Northern Illinois University is in Sumerian....
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That would be a much EARLIER copy...

A friend of mine claimed that Duke U. has some very early scrolls of the N.Com, which are partly in Sumerian, partly in Egyptian (!), partly in Latin, and partly in Babylonian.

I called B---$h-t, of course...

The clincher was when he swore they were written on vellum "which, as you know, is a nice way of saying human skin" in blood "and you can tell, too, 'cuz it's bright red and still looks wet sometimes."

:rolleyes:

So I asked him how he got into Duke...

"Basketball Scholarhip."

Heh, might have known.
 
This is my favorite:

Yeah! I can tell you that satanics are not idiots. They are usually smart people that are definetly lost their way! So lets not call them idiots. We need to love them to the christ.
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Love me to the christ?

Hoo boy.

I am so going to use that in a pickup line at a revival soemday...
 
Freethinker said:
Check out KK's other haunt:

www dot firestream dot net (sorry, no links for me yet)

/viewtopic.php?t=15997&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

Where she discusses this forum.

Googling that site with kurious_kathy as her username will be very interesting.
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So when she says that she's going to reasearch my questions asking her to show which founding fathers were christian, and where in the constitution it says it's based on god or the bible, that's where she runs to to ask?

Figures.

She probably runs there to ask for counterpoint arguments to the rest of what we ask of her.
 
fowlsound said:
So when she says that she's going to reasearch my questions asking her to show which founding fathers were christian, and where in the constitution it says it's based on god or the bible, that's where she runs to to ask?

Figures.

She probably runs there to ask for counterpoint arguments to the rest of what we ask of her.
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Nono...if she says that she's going off to research one of your questions, she's just politely blowing you off. THat's where she goes to beat her drum to say how great ajob "the Lord" is doing over here.
 
Look, Kathy, here's my deal:

[total re-derail] I don't have time, and no one here has the interest, to tell you everything that happened in that relationship. But they weren't love spats, and they weren't disagreements, and they weren't arguments.

I

was

abused.

I did some of it to myself, by making a poorly informed, emotional, illogical choice in a mate. I did more of it to myself by staying in it for 13 years.

The rest was all him, baby. Don't try to make sense of it. It's nonsensical.
What religion did for him was give him someone to blame besides himself. Nothing he ever did was his fault: the devil had him, and he didn't have to take responsibility for one blow, one cruel word, one deliberate embarrassment, or one of the many controlling things he did. He was off the hook, scot-free, totally blameless.

In other words Kathy, Christianity allowed him to hurt me and remain innocent. He even blamed me for it (hence the literal bible thumping and the cries of "submit," because I made the mistake of telling him that God didn't want him to hit me. Outrageous of me, I know, but there you are).

Now, he is not just a Christian; he is a minister.
And never one time has that man even tried to darken my door to tell me he was wrong.

Not once did he ever say he was sorry.

I have, through my sons, tried my best to arrange to meet him, and his wife; let her come along, I don't care. I have wanted to talk to him. I have wanted to make a peaceful meeting between us to give him the opportunity to make amends, and to give myself some reason to forgive him.

I have been refused every single time. The Man of God has nothing to say to me.
Stuff that in your bible and smoke it.

Your original question was about non-christians celebrating Christmas.
I would LOVE to have a tree, some presents, a gift for the man who supports me, loves me, and is my friend and husband. Tomorrow is his birthday, as well.
But Christmas is a game that only people with money can play, and I'm a full-time student-teacher (unpaid, of course). We can't play Christmas.

So, in a very big nutshell, there my dear, is your answer.

Pagans celebrate Christmas the same way Christians do:
With money.

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slingblade said:
Look, Kathy, here's my deal:

[total re-derail] I don't have time, and no one here has the interest, to tell you everything that happened in that relationship. But they weren't love spats, and they weren't disagreements, and they weren't arguments.

I

was

abused.

I did some of it to myself, by making a poorly informed, emotional, illogical choice in a mate. I did more of it to myself by staying in it for 13 years.

The rest was all him, baby. Don't try to make sense of it. It's nonsensical.
What religion did for him was give him someone to blame besides himself. Noting he ever did was his fault: the devil had him, and he didn't have to take responsibility for one blow, one cruel word, one deliberate embarrassment, or one of the many controlling things he did. He was off the hook, scot-free, totally blameless.

In other words Kathy, Christianity allowed him to hurt me and remain innocent. He even blamed me for it (hence the literaly bible thumping and the cries of "submit," because I made the mistake of telling him that God didn't want him to hit me. Outrageous of me, I know, but there you are).

Now, he is not just a Christian; he is a minister.
And never one time has that man even tried to darken my door to tell me he was wrong.

Not once did he ever say he was sorry.

I have, through my sons, tried my best to arrange to meet him, and his wife; let her come along, I don't care. I have wanted to talk to him. I have wanted to make a peaceful meeting between us to give him the opportunity to make amends, and to give myself some reason to forgive him.

I have been refused every single time. The Man of God has nothing to say to me.
Stuff that in your bible and smoke it.

Your original question was about non-christians celebrating Christmas.
I would LOVE to have a tree, some presents, a gift for the man who supports me, loves me, and is my friend and husband. Tomorrow is his birthday, as well.
But Christmas is a game that only people with money can play, and I'm a full-time student-teacher (unpaid, of course). We can't play Christmas.

So, in a very big nutshell, there my dear, is your answer.

Pagans celebrate Christmas the same way Christians do:
With money.

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slingblade:

I maintain that I celebrate Christmas by burning christians and eating babies.


Okay okay, I don't.

I celebrate it with hot sweaty pig sex with my fiancee.

Then we burn the christians and eat the babies.


(This is about as serious an answer as kathy deserves.)
 
fowlsound said:
slingblade:

I maintain that I celebrate Christmas by burning christians and eating babies.


Okay okay, I don't.

I celebrate it with hot sweaty pig sex with my fiancee.

Then we burn the christians and eat the babies.
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Any you didn't invite me? Man! I never get to go to the good parties.
 
Lisa Simpson said:
Fowl--

You cook the adults, but not the babies? So the adults are BBQ and the babies are sashimi?
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Yes, you have to cook the adults cause the meat is tougher. Baby flesh is nice, tender and slightly sweet. Adult Christian, especially Fundie, is quite a bit bitter.
 
slingblade said:
Any you didn't invite me? Man! I never get to go to the good parties.
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We're having a bonfire tonite, if ya wanna come over.

No, serious. I have it built in the back pasture, we're gonna show that mean ol' sun how to rise again. Then eat hotdogs, clams, oranges and oragne juice . Mama has some kind of ritual planned, I'm not 100% sure what it is, but it'll be kid friendly.
 
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