Okay, Clippy. I'm not advocating for a national curriculum. I'm advocating for a clearheaded approach to whatever problem people say they're trying to solve.
It looks like you're stuck on some other argument that you wish we were having. I'm not interested.
Okay, but a standardised national curriculum that includes critical thinking seems to be a good and clearheaded approach to the problem of a lack of skeptical education, so I'm not sure how you're not advocating for it.
Must be rough. Meanwhile, I am utterly at odds with your knee-jerk framing of anything seen as good being something the government should impose on its citizens.
How else would you suggest skeptical education be supported?
Coming up with literally any other possibility besides waiting for big daddy government to impose your ideals on everyone else is left as an exercise for the reader.
Oh, so you're just here to whinge without providing any ideas? That's cool. We in Australia have a long tradition of whingeing.
Are you asking me how I'd answer that question? I've already answered it. A National Curriculum that consistently teaches critical thinking skills across the country. In America's case it'd also require a substantial Federal investment in education to support it.
It should be integrated into existing subjects, not necessarily taught as a separate course by itself.
I did provide an idea, though. An idea that directly addresses the topi of the thread. You're the one trying to change the subject into an interrogation of my views on the role of government in society.
Who actually gets taught the scientific method, though? And even among that cohort, you still get crackpots and ideologues.
Is there any evidence that those classes actually work? I mean, are people actually more critical thinkers after they take class than before they went in? A few years back there was a study that seemed to show that college kids in the US were
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I can't understand why you believe that.
What, YouTube? Or trusting a whole lot of different jurisdictions to all do the same thing without oversight or consultation?
I see you have no clue how science works. A good education would fix that.
I'd forgotten about that. So I provided two ideas.
That's literally the opposite of what I suggested.
Okay. Try to remember how this exchange started, and the post that initially prompted your reply.
If you want a job done right...
I think Skeptics should read Dickens' 'Hard Times" ar sort of a warning how not to spead logical thinking.
That is the problem. How the hell do you convince the typical studant that classes in logical thinkins are not just another abstract BS course, that will have no real revelence to theri lives?Is there any evidence that those classes actually work? I mean, are people actually more critical thinkers after they take class than before they went in? A few years back there was a study that seemed to show that college kids in the US wereworseno better critical thinkers after graduating that when the went it. Which suggests that they mostly don't work.
Why College Graduates Still Can't Think | James G Martin Center
Today’s college graduates are increasingly incapable of processing conflicting viewpoints intellectually; they can only respond to them emotionally.
I can't understand why you believe that.
The thing is that people are fundamental irrational (I do not exempt myself). We as a rule use our big brains to justify what we want to believe, even when we know better. Critical thinking is hard work.
