• Security incident: ISF was recently accessed by intruders. Please change your password, and change it anywhere else you used it. Read more

How Can they Stop the Oil Spill?

By the way, here is a shocking bit of information:

Kazakhstan, for one, had no comprehensive environmental laws until 2007, and Nigeria has suffered spills equivalent to that of the Exxon Valdez every year since 1969. (As of last year, Nigeria had 2,000 active spills.) Since the Santa Barbara spill of 1969, and the more than 40 Earth Days that have followed, Americans have increased by two-thirds the amount of petroleum we consume in our cars, while nearly quadrupling the quantity we import. Effectively, we’ve been importing oil and exporting spills to villages and waterways all over the world.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/02/opinion/02margonelli.html

Perhaps we should start subsidizing clean energy at a rate of 15-1 like we do with the cost of gasoline.
 
I Dont speak for other countries when I talk about safe drilling.

Sure, but the likely result of this catastrophe--or at least one possible outcome--will be a moritorium on off-shore drilling until they can understand what happened. This, of course, will not result in Americans using less fuel, therefore we will just import more.

That's actually an argument for continuing domestic production while moving away from this primitive form of energy.

But the larger point is that the massive public spending that supports the oil industry and keeps gasoline costs low has the effect of supporting insane Middle Eastern regimes and places like Nigeria that have incredibly unsafe practices. Obviously domestic production, even if expanded, can only satisfy a fraction of our need. Therefore our efforts to support the oil industry result in supporting activities far riskier than local drilling--which it turns out is pretty damn risky.
 
Last edited:
We just had two mine accidents that killed workers. Both mines had hundreds of safety violations. The deadlier event occurred in a mine owned by a tea-bagger who denied union access and spent money lobbying Congress to ease regulation. He was on the record explaining that safety codes were an unnecessary burden on his business.

Now we have a massive oil disaster that could have been minimized if BP had built the rig up to international standards. The North Sea rigs have a remote control switch deeper in the shaft that can shut off the flow by remote.

Additionally, compare the Haiti earthquake (no building codes) to the significantly stronger Chilean earthquake (building codes).

Toss on our recent economic crisis, that happened in large part due to de-regulation and lax enforcement, and I have to ask how many times we need it shoved in our faces that laissez-faire, "free-market" BS is a horrible way to run the country?

End rant.

BP didn't build the rig, they were renting it.

It was built by Transocean, and it looks like it is mostly a US company as far as I can tell.

http://www.deepwater.com/fw/main/Our-History-3.html
 
BP didn't build the rig, they were renting it.

It was built by Trans ocean, and it looks like it is mostly a US company as far as I can tell.

http://www.deepwater.com/fw/main/Our-History-3.html

Thats correct. Rigs are typically contracted out by large oil companies. In fact most major oil companies don't even own drilling rigs.

BP probably had maybe 5 employees on that rig and they would be the engineers or managers in charge of the project. All the operational stuff would be conducted by Trans Ocean and the service companies out on the rig.
 
BP didn't build the rig, they were renting it.

It was built by Transocean, and it looks like it is mostly a US company as far as I can tell.

http://www.deepwater.com/fw/main/Our-History-3.html

Ah, that's interesting. It looks like a massive legal battle is brewing:

This wasn’t our accident. This was a drilling rig operated by another company. It was their people. Their systems. Their processes. We are responsible not for the accident, but we are responsible for the oil, and for dealing with it and cleaning the situation up ... We’re responsible for the oil and cleaning it. We are responsible to deal with the oil, contain it on the surface, and clean it up.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/3/863066/-BP-on-whats-necessary-and-appropriate

I don't really understand the nature of the agreement. Does BP commission the rig? I can't imagine this company just builds them hoping that an oil company uses them. In any case, it will be interesting (in a grim sort of way) to see how this all breaks down.

I guess BP wasn't responsible for leaving off the $500,000 acoustic switch:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704423504575212031417936798.html

Another Bush era deregulation benefiting the world...
 
Thats exactly what they do. They contract the rigs out, in effect rent them. Its not efficient for an oil company to worry about all the operations of the rig. They just find the oil and tell them where to drill. And then the rig moves to the next job.

BP's engineers are the ones instructing them where to go and what they want but the details of operations are largely up to the drilling contractor in this case TransOcean.
 
Ah, that's interesting. It looks like a massive legal battle is brewing:



http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/5/3/863066/-BP-on-whats-necessary-and-appropriate

I don't really understand the nature of the agreement. Does BP commission the rig? I can't imagine this company just builds them hoping that an oil company uses them. In any case, it will be interesting (in a grim sort of way) to see how this all breaks down.

I guess BP wasn't responsible for leaving off the $500,000 acoustic switch:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704423504575212031417936798.html

Another Bush era deregulation benefiting the world...


It also looks like Halliburton is involved in the legal battles as well.

This is going to get nasty.

I wonder how much petrol prices and insurance costs are going to rise in the UK?

http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...suits-surge-as-oil-spill-spreads-in-gulf.html

Bloomberg

BP, Transocean Lawsuits Surge as Oil Spill Spreads in Gulf
May 01, 2010, 12:03 AM EDT

Lawsuits also name Cameron International Corp., which provided blowout-prevention equipment, and Halliburton Energy Services Inc., which was involved in cementing the well.
 
Halliburton had just done a cement job on the well- 20 hours earlier by their own statement. (See the link I left in post 51).
To confirm what others have stated:-
1. Drilling rigs are rarely owned by energy companies. They are owned by drilling companies, one of which, Transocean, had the Horizon Explorer built.
2. The rig was indeed under contract to BP. (There may be other companies involved, or BP /Amoco may be the sole shareholder.
3. Specialist services on rigs are performed by service companies, who are either contracted to the Operator (BP in this case), or subcontracted by the Drilling Contractor. (Transocean).
4. Trransocean is one of the largest Drilling Contractors in existence. It is a U.S. company , registered on the New York Stock Exchange.
5. The rig and virtually all personnel on board would be American. It's hard for non-US citizens to work in the US domestic sector, though many American expats work abroad. The person in charge of safety and environmental concerns on board would be the Transocean Offshore Installation Manager, (OIM). BP personnel probably numbered as few as two and almost certainly no more than a handful. (Even those may be consultants). They are there to make sure the contractor follows the well plan, meets all appropriate regulations and standards and does not waste time.
6. In a case like this, a well plan would be submitted to all the appropriate US Federal and State authorities, long before permission to drill would be granted. Rigs are subject to all the same inspections as any merchant vessel, plus a lot more. The design specs of the rig and particularly the BOP would have to be approved by the authorities. The well plan would then be followed pretty much to the letter unless some unexpected fact required a revision- if , for example, the reservoir turned out to have unexpectedly high or low pressure, when a change to the density of the drilling fluid might be proposed on engineering grounds. This might have to be approved by local regulatory bodies. (I don't know the US situation, but I expect it would be at least as strict as Kazakhstan- which, by the way, has had extensive environmental regulations since long before 2007, despite the quote in post 61).
7. If BP and Transocean followed the approved plan and did not do something unapproved or stupid, it's hard to see in what sense they are responsible for the catastrophe. They did what they had permission from the U.S. Government to do.
This is , of course, the question of interest:- what exactly went wrong here? I remain baffled by the varied versions I've heard. I'm apt to accept the Halliburton statement (because that's who I work for and I can see no reason for a lie, especially one so easily checked- that they cemented the well 20 hours earlier.
This may have been a multi-stage cement job. It appears something went very wrong afterward. Most simple scenario is that on pulling the cementing string (of drillpipe) out of the well after the cement job, they did not adequately fill the well with drilling fluid. This might cause an influx of oil or gas to enter the well.
Another possibility is that the Blow out preventer (BOP) stack somehow unlatched at the sea bed. That would mean the hydrostatic head above the sea bed would drop from whatever the existing mud density was, to the density of seawater. That difference might be enough, again, to allow formation fluid into the well.

But. If standard procedures were followed, neither scenario should be remotely likely. Also, if the well had been cemented in, there should have been no possibility of formation fluid entering the well.

The telemetry data from the rig should be on record in BP and Transocean's onshore offices. Both companies must have a very shrewd idea of what went wrong.
This information ought to be disseminated immediately, but is probably being restricted due to the ongoing legal cases.

If this scenario continues to worsen, it may be as much a failure of the legal system as of any engineering system.


Incidentally, here's a link to the rig stats , from Transocean's own site. Damn nice rig.
http://www.deepwater.com/fw/main/Deepwater-Horizon-56C17.html?LayoutID=17

Incidentally- the rental rate was about $520,000.00 per day. This sort of operation costs.
 
Last edited:
In your opinion, what was unjust about how the case turned out? (Honest question. Not meant to suggest a certain answer.)

That the small fishermen whose livelihood was destroyed (and those waters have not yet really recovered) had to wait so very many years to see even the first dime of recompense. Exxon is a corporate being, its lifespan is irrelevant, these people have grown old waiting to be "made whole" and that's not justice.
 
That the small fishermen whose livelihood was destroyed (and those waters have not yet really recovered) had to wait so very many years to see even the first dime of recompense. Exxon is a corporate being, its lifespan is irrelevant, these people have grown old waiting to be "made whole" and that's not justice.

Fair enough.
 
On an unrelated note. Do any of you work in the Petroleum Industry?

Im about to graduate with a Petroleum Engineering Degree and am currently looking for a job. If any of you know of anyone please let me know.

I also have internship experience.
 
I saw a documentary on television: This spill is giving green/alternative energy a real kick in the pants.
 
On an unrelated note. Do any of you work in the Petroleum Industry?

Im about to graduate with a Petroleum Engineering Degree and am currently looking for a job. If any of you know of anyone please let me know.
...

Depends. Are you Brazilian? If not then...no, sorry. Still, I hear Soapy Sam is a top shot in Halli and works some really nice places.
 
Soapy Sam is an extreme lowlife in Halliburton and gets covered in crud a lot.
Geek Goddess works in the oil business. I'm in drilling. If I ever see oil at work, it's because I screwed up royally. What happened in the Gulf may well be a case in point.

I'd suggest looking at Rigzone.com for job ads.
 

ISF - Join now!

Every member here is approved by hand. No bots, no spam, just people who care about evidence and honest debate.

Membership is free!

Create your free account

Back
Top Bottom