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How 9/11 was done

It has not been explained, it merely has been asserted. I am waiting for you to give me proof from credible documentation.

In the meantime I now have a breakthrough: these forum posts led me to the concept of ACARS:

During the late 1980s and early 1990s, a datalink interface between the ACARS MUs and Flight management systems (FMS) was introduced. This interface enabled flight plans and weather information to be sent from the ground to the ACARS MU, which would then be forwarded to the FMS. This feature gave the airline the capability to update FMSs while in flight, and allowed the flight crew to evaluate new weather conditions, or alternate flight plans.

Here I found a arbitrary link from a Baltic airline that operates 2 B757 with ACARS enabled.

So it is now almost certain that remote control is possible for a B757. The only thing that needs yet to be demonstrated is that it is possible to disable the controls. In the meantime you guys can make yourselves useful by trying to prove (not just assert) that a pilot is always stronger than the control servos. I don't believe a word of it.

I think it is time to open another bottle of fine Rioja, even though it is only Monday.

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I feel a little silly pointing this out on page 17, but do you realize that you are supposed to find evidence that your theory is what actually happened, not simply evidence that your fantasy is not impossible?

ETA: Your links don't show what you think they show.
 

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cart before the horse

So it is now almost certain that remote control is possible for a B757. The only thing that needs yet to be demonstrated is that it is possible to disable the controls. In the meantime you guys can make yourselves useful by trying to prove (not just assert) that a pilot is always stronger than the control servos. I don't believe a word of it.

I think it is time to open another bottle of fine Rioja, even though it is only Monday.

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No need to for a pilot overide the hydraulics. all he needs to do is override the inputs. which is a given.
 
I feel a little silly pointing this out on page 17, but do you realize that you are supposed to find evidence that your theory is what actually happened, not simply evidence that your fantasy is not impossible?

Why do you require me to outperform the entire 9/11 truth movement, the FBI and David Ray Griffin single handedly in my free evening hours?! I have set myself as a goal to prove that 'my' scenario is possible in the first place. Only then I can consider the next step of proving the scenario.

ETA: Your links don't show what you think they show.

What do you mean? I checked them and they are fine.
 
Why do you require me to outperform the entire 9/11 truth movement, the FBI and David Ray Griffin single handedly in my free evening hours?!

FBI aside, you could outperform the entire truth movement and DRG in just one day worth of free evening hours. They have set the bar pretty low.

I have set myself as a goal to prove that 'my' scenario is possible in the first place.

If you simply ignore enough evidence, (which you've proven to be quite good at), you can prove that ANY scenario is possible. I think you'll find a much more receptive audience here at JREF if you move from the realm of fantasy and possibility into reality.

Only then I can consider the next step of proving the scenario.

I won't be holding my breath.

What do you mean? I checked them and they are fine.

They do not show that you can remote control a flight from the ground in the manner in which you need it to be possible for your fantasy to be possible. Keep trying.
 
It has not been explained, it merely has been asserted. I am waiting for you to give me proof from credible documentation.

In the meantime I now have a breakthrough: these forum posts led me to the concept of ACARS:

During the late 1980s and early 1990s, a datalink interface between the ACARS MUs and Flight management systems (FMS) was introduced. This interface enabled flight plans and weather information to be sent from the ground to the ACARS MU, which would then be forwarded to the FMS. This feature gave the airline the capability to update FMSs while in flight, and allowed the flight crew to evaluate new weather conditions, or alternate flight plans.

Here I found a arbitrary link from a Baltic airline that operates 2 B757 with ACARS enabled.

So it is now almost certain that remote control is possible for a B757. The only thing that needs yet to be demonstrated is that it is possible to disable the controls. In the meantime you guys can make yourselves useful by trying to prove (not just assert) that a pilot is always stronger than the control servos. I don't believe a word of it.

I think it is time to open another bottle of fine Rioja, even though it is only Monday.

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If you wanted to know about ACARS, why didn't you just ask? It's just data being sent on a VHF radio..

The fact you can send way point data and altitude and air speed data to the FMC, HAS NOTHING TO DO AT ALL WITH WHAT THE CREW DOES WITH IT!!!!

It's the exact same thing as if they enter it by hand. What you need to have happen in order to do what you are trying to claim, is get hold of the Mode Control Panel/Autopilot remotely.. There is NOT. I repeat NOT a way to do this without making major changes to the wring and probably some hardware...

There is no need for a pilot to overcome a servo. He can shut the auto pilot or only PARTS of the auto pilot off with a switch. If he moves the yoke a certain amount, it overrides all Mode Control inputs..YOU DON'T HAVE A WAY AROUND THIS. EVEN ON AIRBUS AIRCRAFT IT'S TRUE TO A CERTAIN POINT!!!!

When a crew is using an auto flight system on a jetliner, they are NOT giving up control of the airplane. They are in fact using tools to control the airplane with great precision and less work. If at any time and for any reason the crew wants to hand fly, they can either hit the disconnect switch on the MCP, or simply grab the yoke and start flying..

Who ever this moron at this site is, tell him he needs to COME HEAR and I, ME, a guy who does NOT fly aircraft for a living, will call him out on his claim that a plane can be taken over from the ground.. He. is. full. of. crap. If he is "extremely below average pilots for half truth" material, I look forward to wiping the floor with him..

It just so happens that I know something about aircraft navigation. I certainly don't know what a line pilot knows, exactly, but to be honest about it, there isn't a hell of a lot to know operationally after you get past a certain point..There's reason for this. The Tech's and Mec's actually know lot's more about this stuff than pilots do. There's a REASON for this too.Duh!

ANY pilot who believes this crap about "Taking over the plane from the ground" is mentally ill, or a liar, OR, should loose their job for being incompetent... I wish there were more options, but there simply are none.. Sad.

Ivan.....................
 
Who ever this moron at this site is, tell him he needs to COME HERE and I, ME, a guy who does NOT fly aircraft for a living, will call him out on his claim that a plane can be taken over from the ground.. He. is. full. of. crap. If he is "extremely below average pilots for half truth" material, I look forward to wiping the floor with him..
He came, he argued, he got suspended. he argued again. he got banned.
ANY pilot who believes this crap about "Taking over the plane from the ground" is mentally ill, or a liar, OR, should loose their job for being incompetent... I wish there were more options, but there simply are none.. Sad.

Ivan.....................

youi can take the "OR" out. all the above.
 
Nobody is asking you to respond. Take a break if you cannot take it anymore.



I did not say I had a breakthrough, those are your words. And I am reading all the time.



Go ahead, post #45: http://letsrollforums.com/new-757-767-photo-t9587p5.html

He contradicts what several of my opponents here alleged:

And as with cruise missiles with a satellite link, current contemporary commerical airliners's aircraft are 'in contact with' ground stations contecting them back to their airliner's "home base" or "headquarters".

The folks back at their 'headquarters' have the ability to communicate with the flight crew through what is called the ACARS system. The folks back at 'headquarters' can monitor/down load all sorts of flight data. And if the 'ground controllers' with a 'satellite link' to the aircraft via Satcom have that aircraft's individual identifier code ALONG WITH its particularly assigned computer 'Password', the ground controllers can CHANGE the aircraft's flight plan IN MID-AIR! And with this capability comes the ability to LOCK OUT the flight crew from disengaging the AUTOPILOT by altering the 'logic gates' within those on-board computers.

No human pilot or co-pilot ALIVE can exert the required pressure to OVERCOME the thousands of psi hydraulic pressure being exerted against any and all of the aircraft's flight control servos and actuators!

Can somebody here provide evidence (Boeing manuals) that under all circumstances the pilots are stronger than the servos? I do believe that under normal operating conditions the pilot just have to touch the yoke to overrule the autopilot; but I do not believe that the max. power of the servo's is less than that of the pilot, just because you say so.

You don't have the Boeing manuals? No wonder all your ideas are bogus on remote control of 9/11 aircraft!

Yes, 19 terrorist took over the planes, not a remote control never installed in the planes! How can you make up such fantasy? The terrorist inputs to the flight controls on Flight 93 and 77 are confirmed on the FDR. No remote control flies a plane like the terrorists. You have failed to tie remote control to the 9/11 planes. Please do more research on flying before you continue to make big errors in explain your fantasy.
 
If you simply ignore enough evidence, (which you've proven to be quite good at), you can prove that ANY scenario is possible. I think you'll find a much more receptive audience here at JREF if you move from the realm of fantasy and possibility into reality.

I could not care less about having a receptive audience. I need a hostile audience, that is motivated to the hilt to destroy my theory. Bringing a theory to general acceptance is a Darwinian process. Was mir nicht zerbricht macht mich stärker.

They do not show that you can remote control a flight from the ground in the manner in which you need it to be possible for your fantasy to be possible. Keep trying.

I know that. Never said anything else. However an important hurdle has been taken: despite what you folks claimed it was possible after all to upload an alternative flightpath to the FMS. I admit that under normal circumstances a pilot could overrule such a flightpath but the hard- and software was there. All over sudden a scenario is possible (not proven) that for instance nerve gas was released using a timing mechanism. The autopilot was working anyway so the plane did not need a pilot for a while. After things had 'quited down' after 5 minutes somebody in possession of a password could upload a new flightpath. This was enough to change the destination from Los Angeles to New York. Once over Manhattan some extra fine tuning probably was necessary to steer them into the towers. Maybe this was the role of these mystery planes over Manhattan. Remember the second plane flight175 that almost missed the tower and hit it asymmetrically:

http://911review.org/Wget/www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/southtowerpath.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3293/2729024566_f10a842076.jpg?v=0

The plane made a sharp curve which is uncharacteristic for an autopilot, unless it has been given a new course (at the last moment in this case).

P.S. from the first diagram it becomes obvious that flight175 did not hit the core of the tower and as a consequence almost all the fuel exploded outside the tower putting an other nail in the coffin of the theory that the towers had been brought down by heat.

P.S.2: about the nerve gas: if one has the intention on pulling a Pearl Harbor then it does not matter if the required tally of 3000 is achieved by gas or falling debris. The pilot and passengers had to die anyway.
 


The folks back at their 'headquarters' have the ability to communicate with the flight crew through what is called the ACARS system. The folks back at 'headquarters' can monitor/down load all sorts of flight data. And if the 'ground controllers' with a 'satellite link' to the aircraft via Satcom have that aircraft's individual identifier code ALONG WITH its particularly assigned computer 'Password', the ground controllers can CHANGE the aircraft's flight plan IN MID-AIR! And with this capability comes the ability to LOCK OUT the flight crew from disengaging the AUTOPILOT by altering the 'logic gates' within those on-board computers.

The bit about "logic gates" is 100% pure technobabble and an absolutely diagnostic sign that the writer doesn't know what he's talking about and is tossing a word salad of terms hastily Googled up.

A gate is simply a circuit which receives two or more inputs and provides a single output which is a logical function of the inputs, e.g., AND, OR, NAND (AND with the output inverted), NOR, XOR and so forth. These can in turn be connected together to produce more complex functions or even to form a circuit which can store a logical value (two NAND or NOR gates can be cross-coupled to form an S-R flip-flop, which can be kicked into a set or reset state by pulsing one input or the other and which will hold that state until it is kicked again). With additional gates and perhaps some passive components it's possible to construct clocked flip-flops, e.g., J-K or D flip-flops, which will transfer a state based on a logical function of one or more inputs to its output on receiving a pulse on a separate clock input and retain that state until again clocked or reset.

These built-up functional blocks can themselves be built up into more complex circuits which perform various useful functions, for example, adders, value comparators, arithmetic logic units and various kinds of encoders and decoders were implemented as integrated circuits in TTL, to mention a thoroughly obsolete technology.

These even larger functional blocks can in turn be assembled into yet larger systems, such as a general-purpose microprocessor. In fact, projects involving building up a primitive MPU from small-scale integrated circuits- gates- have been produced in kit form as an educational tool, and designing a simple CPU using SSI logic chips is sometimes given as an assignment to electrical engineering students.

A CPU, reduced to its most fundamental components, is a large array of gates, interconnected to synthesize the logical functions needed for the CPU to operate.

The "altering the logic gates' claim is tantamount to a claim that a CPU will alter its own basic internal circuitry on command. The only likely explanation for this claim is that the claimant is utterly ignorant of the internal workings of any CPU at any level, as well as completely clueless about how ICs are fabricated.

What this sort of egregious misuse of technical language accomplishes is twofold:

1. It proves conclusively that the writer really doesn't know what s/he is talking about.

2. It makes real techies wet their pants laughing.

I might also mention that the possibility of remote takeover of a 767 by using the ACARS system to uplink waypoint data to the FMS was examined by forum member apathoid in his paper on remote takeover scenarios and found very wanting. Apparently 911-investigator has not bothered to read this very informative essay or rejects it for no adequately specified reason.

So we now have a clear view of the sort of sources 911-investigator is relying on in constructing his/her putative action-movie script: agenda-driven ignoramuses/liars posting on the PffT board and professional conspiracy-mongers, with knowledgeable sources nowhere to be found.

That sort of thing might seem good enough if one's entire knowledge of how the world works is derived from the fantasies of TV and movie scriptwriters, but it surely won't do for anyone better-informed.
 
P.S. from the first diagram it becomes obvious that flight175 did not hit the core of the tower and as a consequence almost all the fuel exploded outside the tower putting an other nail in the coffin of the theory that the towers had been brought down by heat.

P.S.2: about the nerve gas: if one has the intention on pulling a Pearl Harbor then it does not matter if the required tally of 3000 is achieved by gas or falling debris. The pilot and passengers had to die anyway.

PS - Oh, what about the office fires set on multiple floors. Beside the fact the heat energy of the jet fuel was equal to the energy of 325 TONS of TNT, why do you fail to post the energy of the fires in the WTC. Because the energy exceeds the energy in simple explosives used to bring down buildings. The fires from just the WTC offices was enough to destroy the WTC steel strength. You ignore this and make up fantasy. Why not look up the Joules involved in the fires. And no, you can't burn up all the fuel in the fireball impact event.

PS2 - Passenger and crewmember communications with people on the ground refute the nerve gas fantasy idea. But all your ideas are only speculation which has to ignore reality and evidence.

Got any new ideas on these topics without ignoring what really happen on 9/11? (as in passengers phone calls proves no one was impaired, etc, etc...)
 
I could not care less about having a receptive audience. I need a hostile audience, that is motivated to the hilt to destroy my theory. Bringing a theory to general acceptance is a Darwinian process. Was mir nicht zerbricht macht mich stärker.



I know that. Never said anything else. However an important hurdle has been taken: despite what you folks claimed it was possible after all to upload an alternative flightpath to the FMS. I admit that under normal circumstances a pilot could overrule such a flightpath but the hard- and software was there. All over sudden a scenario is possible (not proven) that for instance nerve gas was released using a timing mechanism. The autopilot was working anyway so the plane did not need a pilot for a while. After things had 'quited down' after 5 minutes somebody in possession of a password could upload a new flightpath. This was enough to change the destination from Los Angeles to New York. Once over Manhattan some extra fine tuning probably was necessary to steer them into the towers. Maybe this was the role of these mystery planes over Manhattan. Remember the second plane flight175 that almost missed the tower and hit it asymmetrically:

http://911review.org/Wget/www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/southtowerpath.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3293/2729024566_f10a842076.jpg?v=0

The plane made a sharp curve which is uncharacteristic for an autopilot, unless it has been given a new course (at the last moment in this case).

P.S. from the first diagram it becomes obvious that flight175 did not hit the core of the tower and as a consequence almost all the fuel exploded outside the tower putting an other nail in the coffin of the theory that the towers had been brought down by heat.

P.S.2: about the nerve gas: if one has the intention on pulling a Pearl Harbor then it does not matter if the required tally of 3000 is achieved by gas or falling debris. The pilot and passengers had to die anyway.

For what it's worth, I never personally claimed that you could not send Data, way point or other wise, over ACARS. {they don't really do this though.I don't think.} They do get lot's of info this way. If there's a gate problem, weather, it's even been used improperly to "be funny". Or at least, I've been told stories by pilots after a few drinks. {They don't allow this at all now, I think. Or they've cut way back on the jokes, ya know.." Hey, guys, go out side and make sure you got the right tail number " There's a lot of boring moments.}.. Remember though, if one were to send data for use in the FMC, it would have to be entered by the crew. So, what is the point? They already HAVE a bunch of New York stuff in the data base. These FMC units are updated by a data loader on the ground, every 28 days. There are two set's of data and the pilot is given a message 2 days out {I think} that tell Him or Her, they need to switch to the new data.. They do not use ACARS to load this data. They use floppy based units that plug into the computer and use the Aircrafts' power. Some new Aircraft, like the CRJ-900 is using a laptop now, or so I've been told.. This is at least an option at some airlines.. I believe the goal of the industry is to have wireless internet supply this data. The way it is now, ground crew need to walk on to every aircraft in the fleet every 28 days.. ACARS is not used for flight data, or at least I've never heard that it has been.


Another thing. You are claiming that data can be uploaded into the flight management system. This is a different item than the flight management computer. So, if you are claiming that the autopilot can be updated, this is wrong.. The auto pilot uses data from the various systems but doesn't hold it's own data that I am aware of.

I have not in any way reviewed the FDR records, but it seems logical that these were "visual approaches" being hand flown. The inertial nav units {Lnav and Vnav } could not have flown them in with enough accuracy.

Unless I've missed something, the only GPS unit on a 767 in 2001 was the ground proximity warning system {enhanced}.. This data is used to alert the crew regarding proximity to the ground. { hence the name}. This is also where AGL altitude call outs come from on approach, and the system will also warn about "NO GEAR" and other items like flap deployment that would normally be in place , close to the ground.. This data can not be used for Navigation..

So, why upload data? You already have gassed the crew {good grief} and you're in the seat. Dial in the JFK VOR ,or LGA, and head east.These are in the data base too, I'm sure. When you see the new york sky line, point the nose at the towers.

The second plane made a pretty wild right turn into to tower 2. Again, I have not seen the FDR data or a narrative regarding the data, but it sure looks like he was beating on the air frame pretty hard. Certainly, he had exceeded the "never exceed" speed and was WAY over the maneuvering speed.

Ivan............
 
I could not care less about having a receptive audience. I need a hostile audience, that is motivated to the hilt to destroy my theory. Bringing a theory to general acceptance is a Darwinian process. Was mir nicht zerbricht macht mich stärker.

Your persistance in ignoring verifiable information that has been shared with you will win you a spot on people's ignore list. Your audience is going to shrink if you keep restating the same claims that have already been "destroyed." Usually, one can end up on someone's ignore list for one of two reasons: being deliberately hostile or being deliberately ignorant. To your credit, you have been cordial as far as I can tell, however, I am sure your willful ignorance in the face of the relevant experts here has already landed you on many people's ignore list; which is a shame, because you can learn a great deal from many of the posters here at JREF.

I know that. Never said anything else. However an important hurdle has been taken: despite what you folks claimed it was possible after all to upload an alternative flightpath to the FMS. I admit that under normal circumstances a pilot could overrule such a flightpath but the hard- and software was there. All over sudden a scenario is possible (not proven) that for instance nerve gas was released using a timing mechanism. The autopilot was working anyway so the plane did not need a pilot for a while. After things had 'quited down' after 5 minutes somebody in possession of a password could upload a new flightpath.

It just can't do what you want it to do. To put it into simple equivalent terms, you can hack into my personal computer and perhaps send input signals (flight path info) to my on screen cursor, because I am away from the terminal. However, once I (the pilot) pick up the mouse, the cursor will respond to ME moving the mouse and NOT your hacked signals. You can continue to hack away all you want, but if you really want the plane to take a new flight path, you must have the ability, via your hacked signal, to force my hand to do something I don't want it to do. It can't be done. It is not possible. Period. (I realize that a sophisticated hacker could probably disable my control of the cursor. But that is not what ACARS does, or can do.)

This was enough to change the destination from Los Angeles to New York. Once over Manhattan some extra fine tuning probably was necessary to steer them into the towers. Maybe this was the role of these mystery planes over Manhattan. Remember the second plane flight175 that almost missed the tower and hit it asymmetrically:

http://911review.org/Wget/www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/southtowerpath.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3293/2729024566_f10a842076.jpg?v=0

The plane made a sharp curve which is uncharacteristic for an autopilot, unless it has been given a new course (at the last moment in this case).

P.S. from the first diagram it becomes obvious that flight175 did not hit the core of the tower and as a consequence almost all the fuel exploded outside the tower putting an other nail in the coffin of the theory that the towers had been brought down by heat.

P.S.2: about the nerve gas: if one has the intention on pulling a Pearl Harbor then it does not matter if the required tally of 3000 is achieved by gas or falling debris. The pilot and passengers had to die anyway.

Why do you WANT to believe the most ridiculous and fantastical totally unsupported theories about what happened on 9/11 instead of the most logical and plausible explanations? Your bending over backwards and weaving quite an imaginative (and it would be interesting if we hadn't already heard it from hundreds of other truthers so far) tale. Are there any 9/11 conspiracy books available in your native language? You should write one and make some money. Just have the intellectual honesty to bill it as a work of fiction.
 
It has not been explained, it merely has been asserted. I am waiting for you to give me proof from credible documentation.

In the meantime I now have a breakthrough: these forum posts led me to the concept of ACARS:

During the late 1980s and early 1990s, a datalink interface between the ACARS MUs and Flight management systems (FMS) was introduced. This interface enabled flight plans and weather information to be sent from the ground to the ACARS MU, which would then be forwarded to the FMS. This feature gave the airline the capability to update FMSs while in flight, and allowed the flight crew to evaluate new weather conditions, or alternate flight plans.

Here I found a arbitrary link from a Baltic airline that operates 2 B757 with ACARS enabled.

So it is now almost certain that remote control is possible for a B757.
No. This is about the zillionth time that you have pointed to a bit of totally non-secret technology which doesn't do anything like you need it to do, and claimed that it can do it.

No, the interface between the ACARS and the FMS does not allow Evil Jews on the ground to guide airplanes into the Twin Towers.

Let me put in bold one of the passages in your quotation that you did not put in bold: "and allowed the flight crew to evaluate new weather conditions, or alternate flight plans.".

Got that? It gave fresh information to the flight crew[/i] that enabled them to evaluate new information.

This is even further away from remote control than your stuff about the ALS.

This is not going to happen for you. Really.
 
Why do you require me to outperform the entire 9/11 truth movement, the FBI and David Ray Griffin single handedly in my free evening hours?!
We don't expect you to to so (nothing could be further from the truth) but we invite you to do so.

And we invite you to do so because if you can't do better than them, you've got nothing.

I have set myself as a goal to prove that 'my' scenario is possible in the first place. Only then I can consider the next step of proving the scenario.
Oh for pity's sake.

Don't you see that you can do that for any hypothesis?

You could claim that pigs have wings. And then when we ask why we can't see them you could explain how magic pixies make pigs' wings invisible by using magic pixie dust. And then you could go on to claim that the fact that we can't see the wings of pigs is evidence of the existence of magic pixies.

And then you could say: "The next step is how to prove it."

Do you see what is wrong with this?
 
Was mir nicht zerbricht macht mich stärker.
I crave the moderators' indulgence, but I should just like to comment a little on that quotation.

First, some time after authoring that line Nietzsche went insane and spent the rest of his life staring at a wall, which neither killed him nor made him stronger. He was wrong.

Second, Nietzsche really really hated anti-Semites. If I said to you the stuff that he said about people with opinions like yours, I should be banned from these forums and rightly so. So you might want to quote him a bit less.

I know that. Never said anything else. However an important hurdle has been taken: despite what you folks claimed it was possible after all to upload an alternative flightpath to the FMS.
See the posts above.
 
So now the airlines used their ACARS to crash the planes and also fitted the nerve gas into their own planes? For your scenario (impossible though it is) to be true the airlines must have been in on it.

Why would they be involved in the conspiracy? It caused them great harm financially.

This shows you are relying on people who tells lies.

some idiot said:
And with this capability comes the ability to LOCK OUT the flight crew from disengaging the AUTOPILOT by altering the 'logic gates' within those on-board computers.

Complete rubbish. You have been fooled by liars and morons.
 
Wow just wow! Are you saying that experienced pilots and ground crew that service aircraft would not see such an anomaly in the cockpit? How would such a device be installed on the aircraft (plural)? When, where, how and who by? Again you fall into the trap of fantasy without showing exactly how this could be achieved without anyone noticing. The more and more people look into the theory the wilder the claims get in order to get around what is plainly (or should that be planely - sorry bad pun) obvious.
 
LOGIC GATES?!? Seriously. Did you actually look at what a logic gate is before just blindly accepting they could be altered IN FLIGHT?!?!?

Now, I only have a cursory understanding of these from my basic electronics course down at Corry Station in Pensacola, but I'll see if I can dust off some cobwebs.

Logic Gates describe the functions of IC chips, more specifically applied to signal routing. Examples of this would be AND, OR, and NOR gates. The idea is to put out either a positive or negative signal depending on the combination of inputs it receives.

Here. Knock yourself out.

The important thing here is that Logic Gates...they're hardware. Part of a circuit board. There would be NO way to alter them in flight, unless of course, you're prepared to postulate that MOSSAD has been training a crack squad of microscopic electronics technician fairies who also happen to be invisible.

You just might succeed at one thing - sweeping the December Stundies.
 
Ya know, 911/investigator, You don't seem like a jerk. Ya don't. You seem like you have an emotional need of some kind to believe the unbelievable. Maybe I'm reading you wrong and you are just having fun batting around ideas for your next movie or something. I can say this though..

If you have not read the "Remote Takeover PDF" that has been provided, you should do so. I learned a few things, and I already knew quite a bit about jets in general. As it turns out, the 757-767 family of jets is quite an amazing piece of tech, especially for it's time. Pay some attention to the section on the-EICAS-. This person went to the trouble to enlighten us about the potential, or LACK of potential of implementing a hostile ground takeover of this jet. He works on them every day and he would know. Yes? He did this out of the kindness of his heart, perhaps to put people at ease? Maybe he believes knowing this stuff can make folks feel a little better about hopping on an airplane? Who knows, but he went to the trouble to write it and if you have NOT read it at least a few times by now, I would be very very disappointed in you..

He has a bunch of the answers you are looking for. Right?

Ivan...............
 
The bit about "logic gates" is 100% pure technobabble and an absolutely diagnostic sign that the writer doesn't know what he's talking about and is tossing a word salad of terms hastily Googled up.

A gate is simply a circuit which receives two or more inputs and provides a single output which is a logical function of the inputs, e.g., AND, OR, NAND (AND with the output inverted), NOR, XOR and so forth. These can in turn be connected together to produce more complex functions or even to form a circuit which can store a logical value (two NAND or NOR gates can be cross-coupled to form an S-R flip-flop, which can be kicked into a set or reset state by pulsing one input or the other and which will hold that state until it is kicked again). With additional gates and perhaps some passive components it's possible to construct clocked flip-flops, e.g., J-K or D flip-flops, which will transfer a state based on a logical function of one or more inputs to its output on receiving a pulse on a separate clock input and retain that state until again clocked or reset.

These built-up functional blocks can themselves be built up into more complex circuits which perform various useful functions, for example, adders, value comparators, arithmetic logic units and various kinds of encoders and decoders were implemented as integrated circuits in TTL, to mention a thoroughly obsolete technology.

These even larger functional blocks can in turn be assembled into yet larger systems, such as a general-purpose microprocessor. In fact, projects involving building up a primitive MPU from small-scale integrated circuits- gates- have been produced in kit form as an educational tool, and designing a simple CPU using SSI logic chips is sometimes given as an assignment to electrical engineering students.

A CPU, reduced to its most fundamental components, is a large array of gates, interconnected to synthesize the logical functions needed for the CPU to operate.

The "altering the logic gates' claim is tantamount to a claim that a CPU will alter its own basic internal circuitry on command. The only likely explanation for this claim is that the claimant is utterly ignorant of the internal workings of any CPU at any level, as well as completely clueless about how ICs are fabricated.

What this sort of egregious misuse of technical language accomplishes is twofold:

1. It proves conclusively that the writer really doesn't know what s/he is talking about.

2. It makes real techies wet their pants laughing.

While you change your pants I propose that we forget about this poster. From my perspective he played his role in bringing ACARS under my attention. Now he is no longer useful.

I might also mention that the possibility of remote takeover of a 767 by using the ACARS system to uplink waypoint data to the FMS was examined by forum member apathoid in his paper on remote takeover scenarios and found very wanting. Apparently 911-investigator has not bothered to read this very informative essay or rejects it for no adequately specified reason.

I have limited time at my disposal. I will take a renewed look at it. I skimmed through it in the past but missed the significance of the ACARS issue then.
 

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