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House Impeachment Inquiry

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theprestige said:
Until I found out his involvement with Theranos, I assumed Mattis understood Trump as well as I did, and believed the nation would be better for having someone like himself as Secretary of Defenese. That is, he joined the cabinet not out of respect or loyalty for Trump, but to ensure a certain amount of sanity and professionalism in the area of national defense. And when he left, I assumed he'd given it his best effort, and needed a break. Now? I'm not so sure.

What about you? What did you think of Mattis, before he became Secretary of Defense? Did your opinion of him change when you learned he'd "joined Team Trump" and taken a Cabinet position? Did your opinion of him change when he stepped down from that role?
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To be honest, I wasn't really familiar with Mattis before he joined Team Trump. That wasn't the gist of what I was referring to, anyway:

What I was referring to is how you seem to hold it against Mattis because he got conned (or maybe you think he was in on the con?) by Elizabeth Holmes. I'm saying you shouldn't hold it against him simply because he got conned--After all, you are being conned by Donald Trump as we speak.

That was my point.
 
theprestige said:
W.D.Clinger said:
Agreed. It's perfectly fair to draw the obvious adverse inference when someone fails to produce documents requested by a board of directors or congressional committee.
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Oh, indeed. I'm not sure you understand the nature of my argument, nor the points on which we actually disagree.
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I agree with your reply as well. Indeed, I doubt whether even you understand the nature of your argument, nor the points on which we actually disagree.
 
Trump today mocks the US Constitution. "You people with your phony Emoluments Clause".
 
Crossbow said:
This particular Trmp statement reminded me of that old joke from Groucho Marx:

"Who are you going to believe?

Me or your own lying eyes?"
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Groucho? :D

Trump has gone from calling the news "Fake" to referring to the Constitution as "phony". The Republican chairman to the homeland security committee just called the FBI and the CIA as untrustworthy.

They really are trying to turn the world upside down.
 
Cabbage said:
To be honest, I wasn't really familiar with Mattis before he joined Team Trump. That wasn't the gist of what I was referring to, anyway
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I'm not familiar with Mattis either, but I found this quite illuminating :


https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/10/21/inside-trumps-first-pentagon-briefing-229865


I think he's been shaped by the military culture he's spent his adult life in, which can make him seem too trusting in other settings.



What I was referring to is how you seem to hold it against Mattis because he got conned (or maybe you think he was in on the con?) by Elizabeth Holmes. I'm saying you shouldn't hold it against him simply because he got conned--After all, you are being conned by Donald Trump as we speak.
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I think you'll find theprestige is talking about Mattis, not Trump. Any minute now...


What I do know about Mattis is his delicious line about Trump winning his spurs. And not just because I'm a Spurs fan. :)
 
acbytesla said:
Groucho? :D



Trump has gone from calling the news "Fake" to referring to the Constitution as "phony". The Republican chairman to the homeland security committee just called the FBI and the CIA as untrustworthy.



They really are trying to turn the world upside down.
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Is he calling the constitution phony, or is he alleging that the complaint against him is pseudo constitutional and phony?

It seems like your rebuttal depends on begging the question.
 
theprestige said:
Is he calling the constitution phony, or is he alleging that the complaint against him is pseudo constitutional and phony?

It seems like your rebuttal depends on begging the question.
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You'll make any excuse for him. That we can count on.

Trump's use of the government to enrich himself is obvious. This man lies about everything. He lied to avoid taxes by understating the value of his properties and lied to lenders overstating the values of those same properties.

Do you really think it's proper for the President to steer business to himself?
 
Theprestige, do you think Trump holding the G7 Summit at his Doral property would have been violating the Emoluments Clause?
 
acbytesla said:
You'll make any excuse for him. That we can count on.

Trump's use of the government to enrich himself is obvious. This man lies about everything. He lied to avoid taxes by understating the value of his properties and lied to lenders overstating the values of those same properties.

Do you really think it's proper for the President to steer business to himself?
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I'm wondering were the Saudis stayed in NYC prior to 2016? Was it Trump Int'l or other hotels?
 
Stacyhs said:
Theprestige, do you think Trump holding the G7 Summit at his Doral property would have been violating the Emoluments Clause?
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Or this?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/208
U.S. Code § 208.Acts affecting a personal financial interest
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(a)Except as permitted by subsection (b) hereof, whoever, being an officer or employee of the executive branch of the United States Government, or of any independent agency of the United States, a Federal Reserve bank director, officer, or employee, or an officer or employee of the District of Columbia, including a special Government employee, participates personally and substantially as a Government officer or employee, through decision, approval, disapproval, recommendation, the rendering of advice, investigation, or otherwise, in a judicial or other proceeding, application, request for a ruling or other determination, contract, claim, controversy, charge, accusation, arrest, or other particular matter in which, to his knowledge, he, his spouse, minor child, general partner, organization in which he is serving as officer, director, trustee, general partner or employee, or any person or organization with whom he is negotiating or has any arrangement concerning prospective employment, has a financial interest—
Shall be subject to the penalties set forth in section 216 of this title.
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acbytesla said:
Trump has gone from calling the news "Fake" to referring to the Constitution as "phony". The Republican chairman to the homeland security committee just called the FBI and the CIA as untrustworthy.
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The meltdown has not been contained, evidently.

They really are trying to turn the world upside down.
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Trump is being consumed by L'Affaire DNC Server, and taking all his intestinal worms down the gullet with him. It's a convoluted construct, of which he can have only the foggiest concept : he knows Italy's in it (from recent public ramblings) but not that Mifsud (who he?) was an Italian asset who set up poor Georgie the Greek.


L'Affaire DNC Server puts me in mind of Palmerston on the Schleswig-Holstein question : "Only three people understand it. One is mad, one is dead, the third is me and I've forgotten." Only Childlike Empress can understand this question.
 
theprestige said:
Is he calling the constitution phony, or is he alleging that the complaint against him is pseudo constitutional and phony?
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Is Trump incapable of communicating? Or does he obfuscate deliberately? What's your opinion? IMO, of course, he's incapable of communicating, [SNIP].
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theprestige said:
Is he calling the constitution phony, or is he alleging that the complaint against him is pseudo constitutional and phony?

It seems like your rebuttal depends on begging the question.
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His exact words seemed to cast doubt on the reality of the emoluments clause.

Of course he is abysmal at expressing himself.
 
acbytesla said:
You'll make any excuse for him. That we can count on.

Trump's use of the government to enrich himself is obvious. This man lies about everything. He lied to avoid taxes by understating the value of his properties and lied to lenders overstating the values of those same properties.

Do you really think it's proper for the President to steer business to himself?
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Dear Leader is always right...
 
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