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A Republican announced they were on board for the impeachment inquiry... and then that they were retiring.



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Probably figures he might as well save the time, cost, and energy of running again.

It's sad that voting their conscience instead of the party line would likely cost the jobs of GOP senators, because that means that the ones who are left will be the ones lacking that sort of integrity.

The GOP will be losing the ones it needs the most.

When or if the GOP crashes and burns in the accumulated weight of its own deceit and dishonesty it will be the rapidly diminishing presence of individuals of honor and personal integrity that brings it down.

Good riddance. The party has become a stain on the soul of our country.
 
I really wish Christopher Hitchens was still alive to comment on all this. Orwell was his favorite writer. He wrote a great book called "Why Orwell matters".

"what would Hitchens think and what would he write?" is one of my biggest curiosities.
 
That's not the pattern here, though. Nor has it ever been the pattern, with me.

Sorry, but I can only speak from my own perspective, and that's what it looks like from here. If that's not what you think you're doing, I can only suggest a change in tactics to make it more obvious. Unless you enjoy the confusion, that is.
 
Seriously?

Could you point out to me where you have strayed from the lefts line?

Sure thing.

Go to the social issues subforum and you'll see I very often disagree with the left-leaning posters here on a number of issues, including the castle doctrine, social justice issues, etc. Just because I despise the GOP in the US doesn't mean I don't have a plethora of somewhat conservative opinions.
 
Ok...I am reading discussions on this forum with a left bias...not even what is perceived as left in the US. On thing I noticed was that most of the anti-Trump sentiment did not rise from anything related to the current *********. Many knew of Trump's history, his sexism, his dishonesty in business, his utter lack of diplomatic skills, his tendency to surround himself with sycophants, his self-centredness...and much more. The conservatives were willing to overlook and even excise this just because the felt Trump would help with their narrow political agendas and fight the socialist chimera (whatever that means for US conservatives).
Whinging now about how the "lefties" are being mean when they have been forced to realise they voted in a demented clown is pretty rich.
 
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That's not the pattern here, though. Nor has it ever been the pattern, with me.

My disillusionment with Mattis has nothing to do with his split with Trump, and everything to do with his association with Holmes. It is, in fact, evidence against the pattern you claim exists.

What if anything did Mattis know about Holmes's fraud and when? But sure, that's why you soured on Mattis.
 
Sorry, but I can only speak from my own perspective, and that's what it looks like from here. If that's not what you think you're doing, I can only suggest a change in tactics to make it more obvious. Unless you enjoy the confusion, that is.

Sounds good. The next time you see me defending or attacking someone because of their membership on Team Trump (as opposed to my reasons for attacking Mattis, for example), please let me know.
 
What if anything did Mattis know about Holmes's fraud and when? But sure, that's why you soured on Mattis.

From the book: Mattis wanted Theranos devices on the field, informing treatment of troops in realtime. This was routed to the Army's office of regulatory compliance. The compliance officer raised ethical concerns about Theranos' regulatory strategy, which he shared with the FDA. The FDA also found the strategy concerning. Mattis knew this. Instead of prompting him to take a closer look at the company, it prompted him to summon the Army officer and make him explain himself.

The upshot of that meeting was that Mattis agreed that Theranos devices didn't meet regulations necessary to actually be used on troops in the field. Instead, it was proposed that Theranos do a more limited trial, using anonymized blood samples. While this wouldn't save lives, it would at least prove Theranos' capability to do accurate blood tests on small samples. Theranos didn't have this capability, and never followed through with the trial.

Even though Mattis supposedly wanted this tech in the field with his troops, he apparently did not notice that the company whose board he joined never actually made any real attempt to get there.

And it's not so much about what Mattis knew and when. It's about the fiduciary responsibility of a board of directors to direct the company. There were things he should have known, but didn't. Like the fact that Theranos never actually did any kind of calibrating study, where their results were compared to known-good results. The revenue projections they were showing the board were based on partnership contracts that were never produced when requested by board members. Etc.

There's a lot of basic stuff that Theranos was doing wrong, that should have been noticeable to anyone who asked even simple questions. Just the failure to produce definitive documents when requested by board members should have been enough. Assuming Mattis were actually interested in that.
 
Seriously?

Could you point out to me where you have strayed from the lefts line?

“The Left” these days is basically just everyone who doesn’t toe the Republican line. As such it isn’t just one thing and there is no single line to stray from.

The problem with US politics these days is that on many, many issues the Republican line has moved outside the range of rational debate. One these issues rational debate is still held it just doesn’t involve any discourse with Republicans because all sides of the issue can generally agree that the main line Republican position is nonsense.
 
A huge number of otherwise very smart people, often in positions of power and authority, were fooled by Holmes: board members, investors, business partners, etc. It happened at a massive level. That was Holmes true talent: convincing people and having them buy into her mission from God.

Mattis buying in to Holmes reality bubble doesn't distinguish him much. But then again perhaps his willingness to serve as Trump's Sec of Defense does prove that he is hopelessly naive....
 
From the book: Mattis wanted Theranos devices on the field, informing treatment of troops in realtime. This was routed to the Army's office of regulatory compliance. The compliance officer raised ethical concerns about Theranos' regulatory strategy, which he shared with the FDA. The FDA also found the strategy concerning. Mattis knew this. Instead of prompting him to take a closer look at the company, it prompted him to summon the Army officer and make him explain himself.

The upshot of that meeting was that Mattis agreed that Theranos devices didn't meet regulations necessary to actually be used on troops in the field. Instead, it was proposed that Theranos do a more limited trial, using anonymized blood samples. While this wouldn't save lives, it would at least prove Theranos' capability to do accurate blood tests on small samples. Theranos didn't have this capability, and never followed through with the trial.

Even though Mattis supposedly wanted this tech in the field with his troops, he apparently did not notice that the company whose board he joined never actually made any real attempt to get there.

And it's not so much about what Mattis knew and when. It's about the fiduciary responsibility of a board of directors to direct the company. There were things he should have known, but didn't. Like the fact that Theranos never actually did any kind of calibrating study, where their results were compared to known-good results. The revenue projections they were showing the board were based on partnership contracts that were never produced when requested by board members. Etc.

There's a lot of basic stuff that Theranos was doing wrong, that should have been noticeable to anyone who asked even simple questions. Just the failure to produce definitive documents when requested by board members should have been enough. Assuming Mattis were actually interested in that.


I feel the same way about Trump's corruption, and yet some people either can't see or are not bothered by corruption that "should have been noticeable to anyone who asked even simple questions". Indeed, evidently you are one of the latter category, if not the former as well. So it looks to me like for some reason you hold Mattis to a higher standard than you have for yourself.
 
From the book: Mattis wanted Theranos devices on the field, informing treatment of troops in realtime. This was routed to the Army's office of regulatory compliance. The compliance officer raised ethical concerns about Theranos' regulatory strategy, which he shared with the FDA. The FDA also found the strategy concerning. Mattis knew this. Instead of prompting him to take a closer look at the company, it prompted him to summon the Army officer and make him explain himself.

The upshot of that meeting was that Mattis agreed that Theranos devices didn't meet regulations necessary to actually be used on troops in the field. Instead, it was proposed that Theranos do a more limited trial, using anonymized blood samples. While this wouldn't save lives, it would at least prove Theranos' capability to do accurate blood tests on small samples. Theranos didn't have this capability, and never followed through with the trial.

Even though Mattis supposedly wanted this tech in the field with his troops, he apparently did not notice that the company whose board he joined never actually made any real attempt to get there.

And it's not so much about what Mattis knew and when. It's about the fiduciary responsibility of a board of directors to direct the company. There were things he should have known, but didn't. Like the fact that Theranos never actually did any kind of calibrating study, where their results were compared to known-good results. The revenue projections they were showing the board were based on partnership contracts that were never produced when requested by board members. Etc.

There's a lot of basic stuff that Theranos was doing wrong, that should have been noticeable to anyone who asked even simple questions. Just the failure to produce definitive documents when requested by board members should have been enough. Assuming Mattis were actually interested in that.
I think that this is an interesting post but surely off topic here.
 
I feel the same way about Trump's corruption, and yet some people either can't see or are not bothered by corruption that "should have been noticeable to anyone who asked even simple questions". Indeed, evidently you are one of the latter category, if not the former as well. So it looks to me like for some reason you hold Mattis to a higher standard than you have for yourself.

Until I found out his involvement with Theranos, I assumed Mattis understood Trump as well as I did, and believed the nation would be better for having someone like himself as Secretary of Defenese. That is, he joined the cabinet not out of respect or loyalty for Trump, but to ensure a certain amount of sanity and professionalism in the area of national defense. And when he left, I assumed he'd given it his best effort, and needed a break. Now? I'm not so sure.

What about you? What did you think of Mattis, before he became Secretary of Defense? Did your opinion of him change when you learned he'd "joined Team Trump" and taken a Cabinet position? Did your opinion of him change when he stepped down from that role?
 
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