Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 3

plague311 said:
No, it's not difficult at all. Well, maybe for you.

It's been well documented from previous employees of Trump's that his staff has kept him in check in a bunch of different situations. That's why the those people aren't there anymore, because he got sick of them talking him out of things.

The ambassador was extremely well respected among her peers, and I have no doubts that they put it off as long as they could.
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So what does parnas have to do with it? He isn't involved in any of the behaviors you mentioned. He neither held trump in check nor helped advance the firing.
 
Mike Pompeo reacted very badly to an interview he agreed to with NPR. After Pompeo ended the interview he asked NPR's Mary Kelly to speak with him in a private office. He had an aide bring in an unmarked map and challenged Kelly to find Ukraine. When she pointed to it immediately Pompeo apparently became even angrier.
This evening the story took another turn, when we learned about an interview that Mary Louise Kelly, a host of NPR’s “All Things Considered,” conducted today with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. After a series of tough questions about why Mr. Pompeo had not done more to publicly back Ms. Yovanovitch during the impeachment inquiry — a subject the secretary of state has avoided addressing for months — Mr. Pompeo called Ms. Kelly to a private room.

Once inside, Ms. Kelly said, Mr. Pompeo unleashed an expletive-laden tirade at her. He asked her, “Do you think Americans care about Ukraine?” and told an aide bring in an unmarked map to prove she could locate the country. Before ending the meeting, Ms. Kelly said, Mr. Pompeo told her: “People will hear about this.” Link
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newyorkguy said:
Mike Pompeo reacted very badly to an interview he agreed to with NPR. After Pompeo ended the interview he asked NPR's Mary Kelly to speak with him in a private office. He had an aide bring in an unmarked map and challenged Kelly to find Ukraine. When she pointed to it immediately Pompeo apparently became even angrier.
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This evening the story took another turn, when we learned about an interview that Mary Louise Kelly, a host of NPR’s “All Things Considered,” conducted today with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo. After a series of tough questions about why Mr. Pompeo had not done more to publicly back Ms. Yovanovitch during the impeachment inquiry — a subject the secretary of state has avoided addressing for months — Mr. Pompeo called Ms. Kelly to a private room.

Once inside, Ms. Kelly said, Mr. Pompeo unleashed an expletive-laden tirade at her. He asked her, “Do you think Americans care about Ukraine?” and told an aide bring in an unmarked map to prove she could locate the country. Before ending the meeting, Ms. Kelly said, Mr. Pompeo told her: “People will hear about this.” Link
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Yes, we are. And you look like an idiot, Mr. Secretary.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
The rest of the country as in Trump's 30-40% of his followers, yes.

The rest of the country as in the rest of us, no.

Let's see, you want people to give you money but there are rules. So have them donate millions to Trump's inauguration fund then you dole that out to yourself NPR: District Of Columbia Sues Inaugural Committee For 'Grossly Overpaying' At Trump Hotel


The evidence list is endless. Do you need more?
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Something like that could actually stick. Write up an article of impeachment about that, and you could have a winner. Of course, there's the "wolf" element we discussed before.

Of course, the devil is in the details. Is it really grossly overpaying, and did it really enrich Trump coffers? If so, that's something the American people can relate to, but space for gala events is actually pretty darned expensive. The fact that someone has made an accusation and turned that accusation into a lawsuit is just the first step. It doesn't mean the lawsuit has merit.

Still, it's worth pursuing. Never hurts to investigate.
 
newyorkguy said:
Mike Pompeo reacted very badly to an interview he agreed to with NPR. After Pompeo ended the interview he asked NPR's Mary Kelly to speak with him in a private office. He had an aide bring in an unmarked map and challenged Kelly to find Ukraine. When she pointed to it immediately Pompeo apparently became even angrier.
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Well, he was right. People heard about it.

I know I sometimes defend Trump and his buds but it's not that I like them. Pompeo was being a total ……..oh what's the use, the autocensor would block it. I'll just say "jerk" instead.
 
newyorkguy said:
Mike Pompeo reacted very badly to an interview he agreed to with NPR. After Pompeo ended the interview he asked NPR's Mary Kelly to speak with him in a private office. He had an aide bring in an unmarked map and challenged Kelly to find Ukraine. When she pointed to it immediately Pompeo apparently became even angrier.
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That’s just cartoonish. What a moron.
 
newyorkguy said:
Mike Pompeo reacted very badly to an interview he agreed to with NPR. After Pompeo ended the interview he asked NPR's Mary Kelly to speak with him in a private office. He had an aide bring in an unmarked map and challenged Kelly to find Ukraine. When she pointed to it immediately Pompeo apparently became even angrier.
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You're omitting the context. The interview was supposed to be about Iran, but she violated the parameters of their agreement to ask about Ukraine. Evil bitch. She certainly has a face for radio. And I bet she's lying about the map stunt -- not that it didn't happen, but that she successfully identified Ukraine. She probably pointed to Russia but the magnanimous Pompeo marked her right on a technicality.
 
From the NPR interview transcript.
Pompeo: You know, I agreed to come on your show today to talk about Iran. That's what I intend to do. I know what our Ukraine policy has been now for the three years of this administration. I'm proud of the work we've done. This administration delivered the capability for the Ukrainians to defend themselves. President Obama showed up with MREs (meals ready to eat.) We showed up with Javelin missiles. The previous administration did nothing to take down corruption in Ukraine. We're working hard on that. We're going to continue to do it.

Kelly: I confirmed with your staff [crosstalk] last night that I would talk about Iran and Ukraine. transcript
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Kelly began the interview with these words:
Let's start with Iran.
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I think Mary Louise Kelly has a good deal more credibility than Pompeo. ;)
 
Meadmaker said:
Something like that could actually stick. Write up an article of impeachment about that, and you could have a winner. Of course, there's the "wolf" element we discussed before.

Of course, the devil is in the details. Is it really grossly overpaying, and did it really enrich Trump coffers? If so, that's something the American people can relate to, but space for gala events is actually pretty darned expensive. The fact that someone has made an accusation and turned that accusation into a lawsuit is just the first step. It doesn't mean the lawsuit has merit.

Still, it's worth pursuing. Never hurts to investigate.
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So you are unaware of Trump's corruption? Do you just not read these accounts or something? :boggled:
 
Listening to Trump declare himself innocent and claim everyone is out to get him is incredibly infectious. His bull **** is so convincing. No wonder people are fooled.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Listening to Trump declare himself innocent and claim everyone is out to get him is incredibly infectious. His bull **** is so convincing. No wonder people are fooled.
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Lots of that embellishment going around like CNN headlines reading "presidency in peril" during the impeachment inquiries... Nadler labeling Trump a Dictator on the 2nd article... Trump calling the Ukraine phone call "absolutely perfect".... I see a lot of people fooled by all of it. This impeachment would be rather entertaining as an embellishment matter if not for the fact that the repercussions are so significant
 
newyorkguy said:
From the NPR interview transcript.
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Just because... Ukraine got Javelin missiles - on the condition that they would be kept far, far from the fighting. That's not doing practically anything besides providing a propaganda tool and something that can be used to back up bluffs. The way he's bragging, one would think that they were actually being used effectively to hold off the Russian invaders. As for efforts to fight corruption in Ukraine, I'd say that Pompeo earned a hard smack for that one.

MREs are more useful to the people actually fighting.
 
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Aridas said:
Just because... Ukraine got Javelin missiles - on the condition that they would be kept far, far from the fighting. That's not doing practically anything besides providing a propaganda tool and something that can be used to back up bluffs. The way he's bragging, one would think that they were actually being used effectively to hold off the Russian invaders. As for efforts to fight corruption in Ukraine, I'd say that Pompeo earned a hard smack for that one.

MREs are more useful to the people actually fighting.
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The whole thing is straw argument anyway. Ukraine had a different and very corrupt government when Obama was POTUS.
 
"People will hear about this!" he railed...at the...journalist.

I sentence Pompeo to write "I will not go to war with someone who buys ink by the barrel" on the blackboard 100 times.
 
Saw some snippets of the trial and the interviews with republicans. They seem to keep on arguing that the Bidens are corrupt in some way and should be looked into but for this case that doesnt matter right? Even if they are corrupt and Donald Trump wants Ukraine to look into that he shouldnt use his power to blackmail the Ukraines with the army supply deal they had?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Listening to Trump declare himself innocent and claim everyone is out to get him is incredibly infectious. His bull **** is so convincing. No wonder people are fooled.
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Well, his base are easily fooled. But politics is a bit complicated, and the majority of people do not want the detail. They hated Hillary by gut feel and a few lines from Trump. So in that sense the Democratic candidates are all failing so far if they cannot get a Twitter size message out. If it is Biden running, Trump will simply repeat "but Ukraine" the way he repeated "but her emails." The Democrat just needs to repeat "but Trump was impeached." That is enough to smear his character. Use Twitter or pay someone to do it for you.
 
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