Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 3

I wonder how big of a deal everyone will make of this before, inevitably, absolutely nothing happens. It's like the South Park crowd when their town has a problem that the Mayor needs to fix.

I've been as frustrated by this as anyone, but I seriously can't believe he continues to do this with absolutely no repercussions at all.
 
plague311 said:
I wonder how big of a deal everyone will make of this before, inevitably, absolutely nothing happens. It's like the South Park crowd when their town has a problem that the Mayor needs to fix.

I've been as frustrated by this as anyone, but I seriously can't believe he continues to do this with absolutely no repercussions at all.
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What is there to not believe?

He's doing it. He's been doing it ever since (and before) he was elected. The incidents have steadily become more and more egregious and still his Trumpanzees and the toe-suckers in the GOP continue to excuse them or deny that they were ever a problem in the first place.

As long as he is in office it will continue to get worse and worse.

And that you can believe.
 
We're in a new paradigm.

Everybody believes just nobody cares, and the "Loyal Opposition" to use the traditional political term just keeps proving the thing everyone already knows over and over.

Trump is dirty, he's crooked, that's the point.

But we let trolls and idiots break the entire concept of facts use the internet to hone trolling into a perfect art form while we all sat around patting each other on the back about how good we are at "ignoring them" and now when they've leaked into the real world we've got no way to fight them, now that they are in positions of power we've got no way to stop them, and because it's in the real world we can't just ignore them.

Every single moment spent "proving" that Trump did something wrong is worse then useless, it's counterproductive.

We have to find a way to convince people that Trump doing something wrong matters, but every possible way of doing that has been systematically hunted down and destroyed.
 
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quadraginta said:
And that you can believe.
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And I do believe it. I also think the GOP will continue to trip over themselves to justify or rationalize his behavior up until he does something so egregious that his fan base might think about turning against him. They don't need to actually turn, but if Trump feels threatened with the loss of admiration I think he'll do something truly stupid.

Hard to imagine something dumber than insulting the physically disabled and a gold star family, but here we are....
 
plague311 said:
And I do believe it. I also think the GOP will continue to trip over themselves to justify or rationalize his behavior up until he does something so egregious that his fan base might think about turning against him. They don't need to actually turn, but if Trump feels threatened with the loss of admiration I think he'll do something truly stupid.

Hard to imagine something dumber than insulting the physically disabled and a gold star family, but here we are....
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The only thing I can envision is if something comes out where he paid for an abortion. He might lose some support at that point
 
pgwenthold said:
The only thing I can envision is if something comes out where he paid for an abortion. He might lose some support at that point
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Haha, stupid Dems. Trump would never pay for an abortion. He'd tell some dumb hoe that he'd pay her back, then skip out on the bill.
 
pgwenthold said:
The only thing I can envision is if something comes out where he paid for an abortion. He might lose some support at that point
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I’m not so sure this is going to be a linear progression. Tides do turn and sometimes it’s difficult in retrospect to sort out what one thing made the difference. So while we speculate on what it might take to cause a drop in Trump’s support, there might be factors already in play that make the future unpredictable.

There was a parody story once in which evangelical Christians forgave this imaginary transgression (abortion) and it sounded pretty plausible. I wasn’t even sure it was fake at first. But some small thing or a combination of things might have an unexpected effect. I couldn’t say what that/they might be.
 
pgwenthold said:
The only thing I can envision is if something comes out where he paid for an abortion. He might lose some support at that point
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Nah.

The right wing-nut Christian wackos he so cherishes as part of his "base" have already come up with an all-encompassing excuse for anything he does that appears to cross their lines in the sand.

He's not really a Christian and they know it. He isn't even supposed to be a Christian. According to them he's some sort of not-a-Christian hero defending Christianity in spite of being an unbeliever, so any transgressions against the faith are okay.

So they've got all those angles covered.

Raping white babies on the steps of the White House every afternoon might do it, but I'm not really confident that that would be enough.

Maybe if he ate them afterwards. Using Grey Poupon would clinch it, though.
 
The whole presidency and state mouthpiece Fox has been delivering a master class in gaslighting and how to get away with anything.
 
plague311 said:
And I do believe it. I also think the GOP will continue to trip over themselves to justify or rationalize his behavior up until he does something so egregious that his fan base might think about turning against him. They don't need to actually turn, but if Trump feels threatened with the loss of admiration I think he'll do something truly stupid.

Hard to imagine something dumber than insulting the physically disabled and a gold star family, but here we are....
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Short of actually shooting someone on 5th Avenue in broad daylight, I'm having EXTREME difficulty coming up with something that would be so egregious that it would create an hesitation among his disciples. Having to pay > $20 million in restitution for running a phony real estate school wasn't egregious enough. Being fined $2 million for spending money from charities on personal and business expenses wasn't egregious enough. Giving a completely political speech and explicitly disagreeing with one of Jesus' teachings at the National Prayer Breakfast wasn't egregious enough.
 
Ziggurat said:
Twins aren't just related. And yeah, you gotta read a little bit into it, just like you have to read a bit into "I'm a locksmith". But it's not that hard. Give it a try.
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I'm having to read a lot into your explanation to make any logical sense of it...and not succeeding.

What you're basically saying is the Yevgeny had to be fired from his post negatively affecting his long and honorable career, not because of anything he's done, but because he's a twin...which is somehow more 'special' than just being related.
 
Ziggurat said:
For a moment there, it looked like you might actually open your mind a little bit to the possibility that people don't all fit within neat little boxes. But nope, can't have that.
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But a lot of them do. Turn the handle on the box marked " Petty, Vindictive Pathological Liar/Emotionally Stunted Extreme Narcissist" and Trump springs out.
 
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