Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 2

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When the piece of Trumptrash who said "forgive them for they know not what they do," on the House floor, I wanted to go out and see if I had enough left of the roses I cut back for the winter to send the Whitehouse a crown of thorns. I'm not sure who said it but he's just Trumptrash so he doesn't need a name. It's not like his kind are really even people.
 
acbytesla said:
You can claim it wasn't a fair trial and I can point out that the rules used were drafted by the majority Republicans 3 years ago.

You can say the President wasn't allowed due process and I can point out that the President was invited to have counsel present. Invited to testify and clarify the facts and refused both of these offers.

You can say all the witnesses only provided hearsay and yet what they said happened. And the President prevented everyone in the government from testifying.

You see every argument the Republicans keep making regarding Trump's IMPEACHMENT are brazen bald faced lies. (Gish Gallop) All easily disproven.

The GOP are selling lies to the public. It only takes a few minutes to disprove them.
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What has any of that got to do with delaying sending the Articles to the Senate?

Added: It is smart because we KNOW the trial in the Senate was not going to be a fair one. The GOP would go through the motions, declare the President innocent and celebrate their victory over the Democrats and they would move on with that narrative.
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Whereas now they are selling exactly the same narrative, and the Democrats are helping them sell it.

By leveraging the unsent Articles for a fair trial, the Democrats maintain some power.
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What leverage? What power? The Republicans don't want a trial. The Democrats are threatening not to let them have a trial. "If you don't do what we want, then we won't do the thing you are desperate for us not to do" isn't much of a threat.
 
Babbylonian said:
They don't want a real trial, sure. However, since they know the outcome of any trial they hold is predetermined, they want it to happen as soon as possible.
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Why?

By not delivering the articles on the grounds that the Republican senators are refusing to do their jobs, the impeachment narrative remains in Democratic control.
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How? The Republicans have been successfully controlling the narrative for the last 3 years. How is withholding the Articles from the Senate magically going to change that? How is it going to look, to the average person on the street, like anything other than the Democrats refusing to obey the rule of law because they're too scared to have a trial because they know their case is weak and they'll lose?
 
acbytesla said:
You think having the phony trial is better? You do what you can do.
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Yes. The legal outcome will be exactly the same, but it'll be seen to be the Republicans who are bending the rules to get the result they want, rather than the Democrats, which makes the Democrats look (more) honest and the Republicans guilty, rather than the other way round.

If the Republicans are going to turn it in to a sham, then you let them own that, rather than strengthening their narrative that you're perpetrating a scam.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
What does that even mean? What momentum? Towards what?
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The last news of 2020 might have been: "Trump to be acquitted in the Senate."
Now it is "what is Pelosi up to?"

It gives the Dems about a month of news coverage not directed by Trump or his henchmen. And the start of 2020 will be about what Pelosi will do, not about McConnell or Trump.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Pelosi is getting cold feet because the Senate and White House have sent out mixed messages and she has no idea what to expect, a quick dismissal or a full trial where their whole dirty conspiracy will be exposed. I would advise Trump to take the quick win, but he marches to the beat of his own drummer.
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See? This is the narrative that withholding the Articles promotes. This is the message Pelosi is helping to spread and strengthen.
 
Trump Tweets

Plus, never did anything wrong. Read the Transcripts. A Democrat Hoax!

John Roberts
@johnrobertsFox
According to @Harvard law professor Noah Feldman (a Dem witness in the Judiciary hearing), President Trump is not “impeached” until the articles are sent to the Senate. If Pelosi holds onto them indefinitely, @realDonaldTrump would not be “impeached”.
 
acbytesla said:
The Republicans refuse to hold a fair trial or do any work at all.
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That's not the narrative. The narrative is that the Democrats are too afraid to bring their case to trial because they know it's too weak to stand up.

So much for the "do nothing Dems".
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This feeds in to the "do nothing Dems" narrative perfectly. Everybody is currently at an impasse because the Democrats are refusing to do the next step in the process. It's in Pelosi's power to do something, and she is choosing not to.
 
acbytesla said:
The idea that Speaker Pelosi is doing something wrong by not sending the impeachment articles to the Senate considering she has sent 300 bills to the Senate that haven't moved passed McConnell's desk is risible.
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And no risible messaging by the Republicans has taken off at all over the last 3 years.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
The last news of 2020 might have been: "Trump to be acquitted in the Senate."
Now it is "what is Pelosi up to?"

It gives the Dems about a month of news coverage not directed by Trump or his henchmen. And the start of 2020 will be about what Pelosi will do, not about McConnell or Trump.
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If you're literally defining the only bad consequence for the Republicans of Pelosi withholding the Articles is that Trump will be off the front pages, then how difficult do you think it will be for Trump to get back on the front pages? How difficult has he found it in the past to grab headlines?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

Plus, never did anything wrong. Read the Transcripts. A Democrat Hoax!

John Roberts
@johnrobertsFox
According to @Harvard law professor Noah Feldman (a Dem witness in the Judiciary hearing), President Trump is not “impeached” until the articles are sent to the Senate. If Pelosi holds onto them indefinitely, @realDonaldTrump would not be “impeached”.
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So there you go - the narrative is that he hasn't even been impeached.
 
theprestige said:
Do you have some argument about the value of not proceeding to trial, based on your assumptions about Trump's inner life?
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I don't think Trump has an inner life. It's all out there for us to see.

BrooklynBaby said:
LOL. There's nothing in the Constitution about anything in impeachment being fair. If there was, there would be no impeachment allowed with articles of impeachment that included no crime and then weren't even sent over to the Senate.
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Interesting. So you don't think abuse of power and obstruction of justice are crimes, eh?

Ziggurat said:
:dl:
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A can see why you decided not to make an actual argument there.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm NOT surprised. I stopped being surprised to how sleazy Trump can act a long long time ago. But your post proves what you think about America and democracy. It's all a joke to you. You think it's funny that the President can use his power anyway he wants. It's funny to you to see Graham and McConnell with their tongues up Trump's arse.

The Republicans are liars with zero integrity. White House officials have a legal duty to testify before Congress. Barr has testified multiple times to Congress Pompeo has testified 6 times before Congress and yet both refuse to testify about Ukraine. Why won't they testify about this? Could it be they did something wrong? Hmm :confused::rolleyes:
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Well no


I said it was funny as it was always going to happen,

The add on bits you added hold no relevance

And Trump will probably win again next year and it is all the Dems fault
 
Meadmaker said:
This has "perjury trap" written all over it.
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It's like complaining about entrapment when a police sting got you to buy drugs or something. Who cares? You still did it.

The Great Zaganza said:
By claiming the case is a "Perjury Trap", you have already admitted that the administration has been lying about Ukraine.
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Exactly.

Childlike Empress said:
[imgw=640]https://i.imgur.com/uh0odfj.jpg[/imgw]
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I love that Garrison thinks his audience is so stupid that he has to label everything. I'm surprised he didn't label Trump.
 
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