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Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 2

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theprestige said:
To me it implies that mainstream journalism is full of whores who print propaganda for money.
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Do you agree with that implication?

If a person thinks that is true why imply it? why not just say so?

A person who thinks that is true should never link to a news article to support their own position.
 
Steve said:
Do you agree with that implication?

If a person thinks that is true why imply it? why not just say so?

A person who thinks that is true should never link to a news article to support their own position.
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I'm not one to defend Childlike Empress nor the use of silly terms like "pre$$titute", but I think that's as explicit an implication as one could want. It's not a subtle term with ambiguous meaning.

Of course, the articles Childlike Empress links to are by real, dedicated and upright journalists. It is the other journalists who are pre$$titutes.
 
Steve said:
Do you agree with that implication?
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Why? Do you want to argue with me about it? Let's back up a moment. I'm offering what I think is a better interpretation than Fast Eddie B's. That's all. I'm not even asking you to agree with it. The fact that you're even considering the alternative is enough for me.

If a person thinks that is true why imply it? why not just say so?
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Don't know, don't care.

A person who thinks that is true should never link to a news article to support their own position.
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Not my monkey, not my circus.
 
Unsurprisingly, the Impeachment Debate is easily summarized:

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The Great Zaganza said:
I would be embarrassed to admit that I have no chance to win unless everyone makes sure I'm treated fairly .
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He doesn't want to be treated "fairly". He's Daddy's special boy and should be able to get away with anything and everything.
 
theprestige said:
To me it implies that mainstream journalism is full of whores who print propaganda for money.
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Ahhh!.... There it is! The koolaid has had its effect. The walking zombies of Trump supporters. Trump says "Fake news" enough times and they're mesmerized.

Everyone is lying but Trump. The press, the FBI, the CIA, the State Department.
 
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acbytesla said:
Ahhh!.... There it is! The koolaid has had its effect. The walking zombies of Trump supporters. Trump says "Fake news" enough times and they're mesmerized.

Everyone is lying but Trump. The press, the FBI, the CIA, the State Department.
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Theprestige is, however, describing CE's point, not necessarily his own.
 
varwoche said:
Rudy is trying to explain the business deals he was pursuing from the same officials he was pressing to smear the Bidens. There was an offer from X but I didn't take it but then I thought about an offer from Y and then... It comes across like Elaine explaining that Art Vandelay is an importer AND an exporter.
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acbytesla said:
Ahhh!.... There it is! The koolaid has had its effect. The walking zombies of Trump supporters. Trump says "Fake news" enough times and they're mesmerized.

Everyone is lying but Trump. The press, the FBI, the CIA, the State Department.
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...the NSA, all of the Five Eyes partners, the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee, all of the twelve Foreign Service officials who testified at the hearings... all lied. Only Der Trumpenführer is telling the truth - and even if he isn't well there is noting wrong with that because he is the Trump Zombies' "Dear Leader", above both reproach and The Law.
 
Trump Tweets

“The American people are going to see this for what it is. It is a political effort by the Democrats, and the President certainly doesn’t have to aid in the Impeachment effort.” Robert Ray @MariaBartiromo
Democrats are getting “killed” in their home districts. 2020!

Breaking News: The President of Ukraine has just again announced that President Trump has done nothing wrong with respect to Ukraine and our interactions or calls. If the Radical Left Democrats were sane, which they are not, it would be case over!

“When the law enforcers turn out to be the law breakers, then we have totally upended the rule of law. Nobody is safe and everybody is in trouble. Our system of government is under attack.” @GovMikeHuckabee

The Do Nothing Democrats get 3 Constitutional lawyers for their Impeachment hoax (they will need them!), the Republicans get one. Oh, that sounds fair!

Thank you to Congressman Ben @Cline4Virginia for the Great remarks this morning on the illegitimate Impeachment Hoax. He understands the Do Nothing Democrats very well. Also, and as usual, @RepAndyBiggsAZ was fantastic!

The Republican Party has NEVER been so united! This Impeachment Scam is just a continuation of the 3 year Witch Hunt, but it is only bringing us even closer together!

Great job by @RepDougCollins of Georgia over the weekend in representing the Republican Party, and myself, against the Impeachment Hoax!
 
Half of America wants Trump removed from office. The press keep shrugging that off.

"The most important impeachment story that most of the press continues to look away from is the fact that one of our two major political parties in this country no longer deals in facts and reality, and instead has willingly burrowed itself into a world of lies and fantasy, specifically when it comes to the issues surrounding impeachment.

In fact, some Republican officials are now actively working alongside a Kremlin disinformation campaign regarding Ukraine's role in American elections.

If more journalists openly acknowledged this crucial development regarding the GOP, the fact that Republicans aren't willing to support impeachment would no longer be treated as "news," and the press wouldn't portray Democrats as failing with their impeachment messaging. What's also completely lacking is any kind of historical context regarding how awful those impeachment poll numbers are for Trump.

When Republicans in the House spent 1998 impeaching Bill Clinton, Americans across the board rejected the inquiry. At no point during the partisan process did more than 30% of Americans support impeachment, and most of the time that number hovered around 25%. Republicans categorically failed to change the nation's mind about Clinton, who famously weathered the political storm with historically high approval ratings, logging a staggering 71% approval rating in a Pew Research poll.

Today, more than twice as many Americans support the impeachment of a Republican president than supported the impeachment of a Democratic president two decades ago. Yet the press portrays the Trump impeachment as a political and public relations failure for Democrats. How does that work exactly? Note that it wasn't until July 1974, one month before President Richard Nixon resigned, that a plurality of Americans finally agreed that he should be forced from office. Today, a plurality already feels that way about Trump, yet the press shrugs."

You can read the whole article here

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...keep-shrugging-that-off?utm_campaign=trending
 
phiwum said:
This has nothing to do with his attendance.

The lawyers said they won't bother with a hearing on the history and legal issues of impeachment. They have not said whether they will attend later hearings. Even if they do, there's no reason to think that Trump will be there.

Honestly, not attending Wednesday's session is reasonable. If the attorneys think the case against impeachment and/or removal won't be based on legal considerations of what constitutes an impeachable offense, then they have little reason to attend. Not sure how they intend to make their case, really. Probably leave it to the GOP Senators to come up with some reason for the nigh inevitable acquittal.
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Are you seriously defending Trump's BS dodges? :boggled:
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Easy. There's nothing in it for Trump.
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Except it would signal his minions that it's OK to commit federal crimes undertaken to protect Trump, and that stonewalling will be rewarded. But that's only good as long as Trump remains in office, and quite a few must not think that's a slam-dunk.

It's the other side of witness intimidation.

Meanwhile, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Mike Pence has signed a legal document promising to pardon Trump for any federal offenses Trump may find himself charged with.
 
theprestige said:
Everyone is lying including Trump. But I was just describing what I understand to be CE's position. You need to stop thinking of it as my position.
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Sorry. But one doesn't make the other true. I don't buy that all these other institutions are lying. That false equivalence is a pile of fecal matter.

I don't buy that
  • Russia expert for the National Security Council Fiona Hill
  • Ambassador Yovanovitch
  • Special Envoy to the Ukraine Kurt Volker
  • Intelligence community inspector general Michael Atkinson
  • Deputy Assistant Secretary George Kent
  • Senior adviser to Secretary of State Michael McKinley
  • Ambassador Bill Taylor
  • Deputy assistant secretary of defense Laura Cooper
  • Acting assistant secretary of European and Eurasian affairs Philip Reeker
  • Army Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman
  • Special adviser to Kurt Volker Christopher Anderson
  • National Security Council senior director for Europe and Russia Tim Morrison
  • Special adviser to Vice President Mike Pence for Europe Russia Jennifer Williams
  • Political counselor at U.S. embassy in Ukraine David Holmes
are all lying.

Although it appears that Ambassador Sondland perjured himself again when he testified about a phone call where Trump said he wanted nothing from Ukraine. There are absolutely NO records of that call. None.

This game where Trump supporters ignore reality or try and say "everyone does it" is sad and it's dangerous.
 
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