horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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Darat said:
What's "problematic" about first reports being inaccurate? Sadly in the urgency to make money from reporting events by getting the first clicks we know many reporting sites first reports will be inaccurate.
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Just to clarify I am assuming you mean the initial report raises problems about the incident that happened?
 
TofuFighter said:
There is some value in being able to see racists identifying themselves.
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This is The End said:
Exactly. As I said in my other post:

Several posters (who always show up with their extra convenient super skepticism only in threads involving LGBT and/or POC) all showed up for this thread.

It makes this thread the perfect link to give to anyone who wants to see our resident racists and bigots out in the open.
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Woot! Well done guys! Bravo! Bravo!
 
I think it's hilarious that a) people think TMZ is a source of news (it's celebrity gossip) and b) they treat everything they hear as if it's an argument carefully prepared to convince them of something, beginning with the first thing they hear. This is not how news works even if the first reports were news at all, which they were not.
 
TragicMonkey said:
If the rib isn't fractured, the story's manufactured!
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If the rib isn't cracked, he wasn't attacked.

For the record, do you agree the attack happened around 2AM January 29th?

If that is true, the temperature at that time at Ohare Airport in Chicago was 7 Deg. F., winds were out of the west at 10mph. Using a wind chill calculator it was -7.3 degrees windchill. For perspective, Detroit area schools close at around -10 deg. windchill. I'm in Detroit and Wednesday and Thursday, schools were cancelled due to cold temps.

Does anyone think a couple of racists are going to go out in that temperature to beat up a semi-famous actor? I don't even like to go out to get the mail when it's that cold.
 
Drewbot said:
If the rib isn't cracked, he wasn't attacked.

For the record, do you agree the attack happened around 2AM January 29th?

If that is true, the temperature at that time at Ohare Airport in Chicago was 7 Deg. F., winds were out of the west at 10mph. Using a wind chill calculator it was -7.3 degrees windchill. For perspective, Detroit area schools close at around -10 deg. windchill. I'm in Detroit and Wednesday and Thursday, schools were cancelled due to cold temps.

Does anyone think a couple of racists are going to go out in that temperature to beat up a semi-famous actor? I don't even like to go out to get the mail when it's that cold.
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That's a fair question. And were they stalking him, to have bleach and a clothesline at the ready...for a 2AM sandwich run? Did Smollette go out every morning at 2 to Subway, or were these attackers just hanging around in bitter cold in the middle of the night and just happened to see an actor (who was presumably bundled up against the cold) that they happened to recognize, and just happened to be in the one place where there were no cameras, and no cameras caught them entering or leaving, although Smollette was?

The story, as presented, actually requires these attackers to be ninjas.
 
Drewbot said:
If the rib isn't cracked, he wasn't attacked.

For the record, do you agree the attack happened around 2AM January 29th?

If that is true, the temperature at that time at Ohare Airport in Chicago was 7 Deg. F., winds were out of the west at 10mph. Using a wind chill calculator it was -7.3 degrees windchill. For perspective, Detroit area schools close at around -10 deg. windchill. I'm in Detroit and Wednesday and Thursday, schools were cancelled due to cold temps.

Does anyone think a couple of racists are going to go out in that temperature to beat up a semi-famous actor? I don't even like to go out to get the mail when it's that cold.
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Of all the data points leading to the possibility that the attack claim is a hoax, this is probably the least.
 
Thermal said:
That's a fair question. And were they stalking him, to have bleach and a clothesline at the ready...for a 2AM sandwich run? Did Smollette go out every morning at 2 to Subway, or were these attackers just hanging around in bitter cold in the middle of the night and just happened to see an actor (who was presumably bundled up against the cold) that they happened to recognize, and just happened to be in the one place where there were no cameras, and no cameras caught them entering or leaving, although Smollette was?

The story, as presented, actually requires these attackers to be ninjas Bigfoot.
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FTFY. ;)
 
Thermal said:
That's a fair question. And were they stalking him, to have bleach and a clothesline at the ready...for a 2AM sandwich run? Did Smollette go out every morning at 2 to Subway, or were these attackers just hanging around in bitter cold in the middle of the night and just happened to see an actor (who was presumably bundled up against the cold) that they happened to recognize, and just happened to be in the one place where there were no cameras, and no cameras caught them entering or leaving, although Smollette was?

The story, as presented, actually requires these attackers to be ninjas.
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If this was a planned attack it is not entirely implausible.
The attackers may have canvassed the area earlier to try and determine where blind spots may be.


How far in advance is the CPD looking at footage of? Perhaps they arrived at the planned site of attack further in advance than is being looked at.

Does the "blind spot" include entrances to any structures in which the attackers could have waited (out of the elements) until the victim passed by? If so, after the attack they may have retreated back into that structure to either wait a length of time in order to be lost in regular daytime traffic, or exited through another door (perhaps on a different block) thusly appearing to be completely unconnected to the area.

This all pre-supposes a degree of planning, of course, but not one so complicated that it would take a Bond Villain to pull it off.
 
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Darat said:
Just to clarify I am assuming you mean the initial report raises problems about the incident that happened?
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Yes - Based on what we're being told, either Jussie or somebody in his circle wasn't being truthful or was misinformed, TMZ is spreading ******** again or the cops got the report wrong. Each raises its own problems.

Thermal said:
That's a fair question. And were they stalking him, to have bleach and a clothesline at the ready...for a 2AM sandwich run? Did Smollette go out every morning at 2 to Subway, or were these attackers just hanging around in bitter cold in the middle of the night and just happened to see an actor (who was presumably bundled up against the cold) that they happened to recognize, and just happened to be in the one place where there were no cameras, and no cameras caught them entering or leaving, although Smollette was?

The story, as presented, actually requires these attackers to be ninjas.
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No, it doesn't.

Again I'm basing this solely on my personal experiences but there is a possibility that it could've happened just as it's been described. Jussie's attackers aren't seen entering, around or leaving the scene and there's a 60 second blind spot. It is absolutely possible to be attacked that quickly because it's happened to me more than once. Walking down the street, turn the corner, I'm suddenly in a fight and as quickly as it started, he's gone. Very unnerving.

For his account to be true if this attack occurred in the blind spot, it's possible his attackers were loitering there to begin with, attacked him and fled into a nearby building or structure not covered by cameras. They didn't necessarily have to flea the area.

Note that in the police report Jussie does not know which way his attackers fled so this scenario must be considered as well.
 
AJM8125 said:
Yes - Based on what we're being told, either Jussie or somebody in his circle wasn't being truthful or was misinformed, TMZ is spreading ******** again or the cops got the report wrong. Each raises its own problems.



No, it doesn't.

Again I'm basing this solely on my personal experiences but there is a possibility that it could've happened just as it's been described. Jussie's attackers aren't seen entering, around or leaving the scene and there's a 60 second blind spot. It is absolutely possible to be attacked that quickly because it's happened to me more than once. Walking down the street, turn the corner, I'm suddenly in a fight and as quickly as it started, he's gone. Very unnerving.

For his account to be true if this attack occurred in the blind spot, it's possible his attackers were loitering there to begin with, attacked him and fled into a nearby building or structure not covered by cameras. They didn't necessarily have to flea the area.

Note that in the police report Jussie does not know which way his attackers fled so this scenario must be considered as well.
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Speaking of "ninjas" ;)
 
AJM8125 said:
For his account to be true if this attack occurred in the blind spot, it's possible his attackers were loitering there to begin with, attacked him and fled into a nearby building or structure not covered by cameras. They didn't necessarily have to flea the area.
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That's not what the local police say, as I earlier quoted. They said that they are absolutely certain that the attackers (should they exist, although they didn't equivocate) must be present in the video footage of one or more of the thousands of cameras in the area. There is no way they can avoid it.
 
AJM8125 said:
Yes - Based on what we're being told, either Jussie or somebody in his circle wasn't being truthful or was misinformed, TMZ is spreading ******** again or the cops got the report wrong. Each raises its own problems.



No, it doesn't.

Again I'm basing this solely on my personal experiences but there is a possibility that it could've happened just as it's been described. Jussie's attackers aren't seen entering, around or leaving the scene and there's a 60 second blind spot. It is absolutely possible to be attacked that quickly because it's happened to me more than once. Walking down the street, turn the corner, I'm suddenly in a fight and as quickly as it started, he's gone. Very unnerving.
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No issue with speed of attack. They tend to be fast.

For his account to be true if this attack occurred in the blind spot, it's possible his attackers were loitering there to begin with, attacked him and fled into a nearby building or structure not covered by cameras. They didn't necessarily have to flea the area.

Note that in the police report Jussie does not know which way his attackers fled so this scenario must be considered as well.
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Yeah, the hilited is my issue. Loitering in sub sub freezing temps at 2AM is no picnic, and not seen entering the blind spot or leaving. Getting a little Ocean's Eleven for me, considering we are talking about a couple hillbilly racist types.
 
AJM8125 said:
It's an inconsistency that could be attributed to either Jussie or someone in his circle, inaccurate media reports or an inaccurate police report. Jussie corrected the record himself on 2 February when he said his ribs were never broken, just bruised.

Either case is problematic.
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I don't see why it's problematic if Jussie himself didn't get it wrong and as far as I know Jussie never said his rib was broken. Did a police report mention broken rib(s)? I haven't seen that.
 
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