horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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MikeG said:
It's not me who has made up a whole scenario about a scooter.
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That one did go quite a bit off the rails. I'm not sure what Drewbot was thinking, but I'm content to leave him to it.

It's not me who has invented a self-inflicted broken rib, and a diving-onto-a-kerb to inflict it.
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It looks like the broken rib has quietly dropped out of the narrative, so this is probably a moot point we don't need to concern ourselves with anymore.

Anymore with which we don't need to concern ourselves.

It's not me who has dreamt up a tinder-gone-wrong scenario. It's not me who has decided this is a publicity stunt. I am not the fantasist here.
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You complain about fantasy, but don't even mention the unicorn hypothesis! Up your game, MikeG.

Anyway, it's okay to speculate about alternative hypotheses. And human beings are in fact known for (a) concocting implausible stories to cover up embarrassing stories (and having this strategy backfire), and (b) doing absurdly stupid things as publicity stunts. Neither of these possibilities seems substantially more fantastical than MAGA-country noose-ninjas prowling the streets looking for actors from their favorite hip-hop soap opera.

But this is also kind of moot, since alternative hypotheses aren't necessary to conclude that Smollett's own hypothesis hasn't yet met its burden of proof.

You people without a shred of evidence have assumed that it is impossible he could be telling the truth, and in flapping about in a critical-thinking void, in some sort of fantasists' feeding frenzy, you are painting a really ugly picture of your corner of American society. Really, really ugly.
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I'm sorry you feel that way. Perhaps you should consider finding a better class of Internet community, to share your wise and civil thoughts with.

With which to share your thoughts.
 
Chicago's Superintendent said that they were making "progress" on the alleged hate crime hoax.

Ask him how progress is doing on the unsolved murder crisis! Just kidding, those people were not famous like the minor character on "empire."
 
theprestige said:
MAGA-country noose-ninjas prowling the streets
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This is one of the main reasons I'm skeptical about the story. As with many fake hate crimes, the details of the incident seem almost a little too perfectly designed to appeal those with certain type of progressive mindset. That, and the complete lack of any corroborating evidence.
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
This is one of the main reasons I'm skeptical about the story. As with many fake hate crimes, the details of the incident seem almost a little too perfectly designed to appeal those with certain type of progressive mindset.
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Well, but so does an armed white man walking into a grocery store, deliberately seeking out black people to shoot, and then later appealing for an armed citizen not to shoot him because "whites don't shoot whites". It sounds like something that a fictional caricature of a "white conservative male" made up for a liberal-aimed television show would do; and it is also something that actually happened.
 
Checkmite said:
Well, but so does an armed white man walking into a grocery store, deliberately seeking out black people to shoot, and then later appealing for an armed citizen not to shoot him because "whites don't shoot whites". It sounds like something that a fictional caricature of a "white conservative male" made up for a liberal-aimed television show would do; and it is also something that actually happened.
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Actually, that one seemed entirely plausible to me.

And if CPD were to announce that they'd arrested a couple of white guys who were running around downtown shouting "this is MAGA country!" and throwing nooses on people, I'd think that was plausible, too. Assuming they had actual dudes in custody, and independent corroboration of what these dudes were doing.

What's not so plausible is that they're doing it in freezing weather at 2 in the morning, without any corroboration at all, and without any of their supposed victims ever calling the police about it.

The objection is not "this kind of attack couldn't possibly happen", but rather "this particular attack is implausible as currently described". It's not the MAGA-country noose-ninjas in isolation. It's the MCNNs in combination with the rest of the information we have about this particular attack.
 
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They didn't take his phone. They didn't take his sandwich. They didn't even break his rib. What kind of amateur-hour hate crime was this? It's barely a mild-dislike-crime.
 
I expect none of the wonderful beef sandwich joints are open at 2AM on Sunday...

Besides, it might be incredibly overstated. I've tried both a "Chicago hot dog" and Chicago-style pizza, while in Chicago. The first just tasted like a hot dog with a bunch of extra stuff on it that I don't usually put on hot dogs but was otherwise unremarkable; the second wasn't actually pizza, but some kind of spicy tomato-and-cheese quiche or something. I didn't understand the hype over either.
 
Checkmite said:
I expect none of the wonderful beef sandwich joints are open at 2AM on Sunday... Besides, it might be incredibly overstated. I've tried both a "Chicago hot dog" and Chicago-style pizza, while in Chicago. The first just tasted like a hot dog with a bunch of extra stuff on it that I don't usually put on hot dogs but was otherwise unremarkable; the second wasn't actually pizza, but some kind of spicy tomato-and-cheese quiche or something. I didn't understand the hype over either.
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I was pretty surprised to hear that the Subway was open then, actually.

Only 24 hour Subway I've ever encountered was on my military base when I was still in.
 
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He said he fought back.

I guess he remembered to pick his sub sandwich and phone up after the attack?
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He went out in sub-zero temperatures at 2AM to get that sandwich. You better believe he was not going to abandon it for anything.
 
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He said he fought back.

I guess he remembered to pick his sub sandwich and phone up after the attack?
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I have a hard time seeing the argument that's an issue. Are people who are actually attacked supposed to leave all their stuff on the street?
 
Cavemonster said:
I have a hard time seeing the argument that's an issue. Are people who are actually attacked supposed to leave all their stuff on the street?
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Me too.

Is it significant?

Whoever leaked the info probably thinks it is.

We heard for days about the video of him entering the building, and the visible noose, but nothing about him still having his sandwich.

Why leak that now?

When I think "brutal attack" by two on one, I think phone and sandwich would probably go flying off somewhere.
 
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