horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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Puppycow said:
On the other hand, he could have placed the phone call to his manager and acted out a scenario over the phone, doing all the voices and sound effects himself, fooling the manager and adding an "ear-witness" for extra plausibility.
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To tell you the truth, I don't think this is a brains kind of operation.

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Puppycow said:
On the other hand, he could have placed the phone call to his manager and acted out a scenario over the phone, doing all the voices and sound effects himself, fooling the manager and adding an "ear-witness" for extra plausibility.
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If that were the case, Smollett likely would not have forgotten to mention MAGA to the police at first.

I would guess the phone call was created later to add weight to the story, along with the remembrance of MAGA.

Assuming the whole thing is indeed a hoax, which looks like the best fit so far.

I wouldn't have left the scene, I'd have called 911 immediately, I wouldn't have untied and removed the noose, etc...those thoughts make me quite suspicious.

But it's always easy to claim what you would have done.
 
LTC8K6 said:
If you smell bleach, you think bleach...I think.

You don't think, "Cleaning product containing a little bleach, don't worry".

You think BLEACH!

How long would it take you to call 911 if someone poured bleach on you on a Chicago street in the dead of night?
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What's the connection between bleach and the police? This was already an attack. How does the presence of bleach escalate it to a special realm? If Smollett is one of the many people who don't trust police, I can't see why bleach should change that.

You also sound like someone who doesn't do much cleaning. Bleach is not a terrifying substance.

Suppose it got in your eyes?

(Why didn't it?)
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I imagine he'd know if it was in his eyes.
As for why it didn't it certainly depends on how and where it was poured, in what quantity etc. It certainly isn't an inevitability that all poured substances enter the eyes.

I'm not sure whether Smolletts story is correct, but the lions share of these supposed reasons for doubt are absurd.
 
ABC7 News said:
The hot sauce bottle was partially filled with a clear liquid that smelled like bleach, according to a New York Post story confirmed by Chicago police. The Post claimed they found it near the foot of a stairwell to the Loews.

However, CPD spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said: "It's unclear if that is related to the incident as it was not discovered during any of the earlier canvasses but we took it for analysis. The FBI is providing CPD with technical assistance on this case at our request. I'm not sure if the bottle went to their lab or one of ours."

Monday afternoon, Smollett also submitted "limited and redacted phone records" from within an hour of the alleged incident, Chicago police confirmed.

"These records will be analyzed by detectives and we will be in contact with the victim should additional information be needed," Guglielmi said...
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https://abc7chicago.com/bottle-with...;-empire-actor-submits-phone-records/5133055/
 
ABC Chicago.

Looks like the bottle was not there earlier, and the phone records may not help?

The hot sauce bottle was partially filled with a clear liquid that smelled like bleach, according to a New York Post story confirmed by Chicago police. The Post claimed they found it near the foot of a stairwell to the Loews.

However, CPD spokesman Anthony Guglielmi said: "It's unclear if that is related to the incident as it was not discovered during any of the earlier canvasses but we took it for analysis. The FBI is providing CPD with technical assistance on this case at our request. I'm not sure if the bottle went to their lab or one of ours."
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Monday afternoon, Smollett also submitted "limited and redacted phone records" from within an hour of the alleged incident, Chicago police confirmed.

"These records will be analyzed by detectives and we will be in contact with the victim should additional information be needed," Guglielmi said.
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Cavemonster said:
What's the connection between bleach and the police? This was already an attack. How does the presence of bleach escalate it to a special realm? If Smollett is one of the many people who don't trust police, I can't see why bleach should change that.

You also sound like someone who doesn't do much cleaning. Bleach is not a terrifying substance.


I imagine he'd know if it was in his eyes.
As for why it didn't it certainly depends on how and where it was poured, in what quantity etc. It certainly isn't an inevitability that all poured substances enter the eyes.

I'm not sure whether Smolletts story is correct, but the lions share of these supposed reasons for doubt are absurd.
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He received a death threat letter that was basically a diagram of the attack...yet he doesn't call 911 when the attack occurs?
 
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Puppycow said:
On the other hand, he could have placed the phone call to his manager and acted out a scenario over the phone, doing all the voices and sound effects himself, fooling the manager and adding an "ear-witness" for extra plausibility.
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I think I know how he did it!

 
we-e-ell, hot sauce is sorta like pepper spray.

Um, are the lower streets of Chicago gay pick up spots? Tryst gone sour?

Any use fo 'bleach', like as a cleanser, having to do with sex?
 
casebro said:
we-e-ell, hot sauce is sorta like pepper spray.

Um, are the lower streets of Chicago gay pick up spots? Tryst gone sour?

Any use fo 'bleach', like as a cleanser, having to do with sex?
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I am unfamiliar of the character of the neighborhood where the bottle was found.
I am under the impression, however, that bleach has been recommended for cleaning needles shared by I.V. drug users.
 
LTC8K6 said:
On the other hand, we have this bottle found, and now we learn from several sources that the NY Post story finally prompted Smollett to turn over the phone records today.

So who knows?
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I'm having a hard time making sense out of various claims in this thread.

It's been less than a month since the alleged attack. Isn't it possible that this is the first time he had access to his records? I get my records once a month (sometimes they are available online earlier). Is it possible he just got the records?
 
theprestige said:
What do you think is the least absurd reason to doubt it?
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I know this wasn't directed at me, but lack of supporting evidence that would likely be present.

Most everything else is grasping, and usually very speculative (not that the above is without speculation).
 
RecoveringYuppy said:
I'm having a hard time making sense out of various claims in this thread.

It's been less than a month since the alleged attack. Isn't it possible that this is the first time he had access to his records? I get my records once a month (sometimes they are available online earlier). Is it possible he just got the records?
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A screen shot of the phone with the call record displayed could have been provided within moments...

It was not necessary to turn over the phone or call the provider. The phone has the records right there and the police only need the record of one call.
 
LTC8K6 said:
A screen shot of the phone with the call record displayed could have been provided within moments...

It was not necessary to turn over the phone or call the provider. The phone has the records right there and the police only need the record of one call.
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But that doesn't square with reports I can find (links below). Everything I can find says the cops needed the phone "handed over" and that he would be without his phone for hours, and if the cops ask for something for hours who knows if that will be true. They also suggest the cops were fine with that and willing to wait for records instead.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...tor-jussie-smollett-refuses-hand-over-n965371

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-...eged-racist-attack-hands-over-partial-n970386

https://pagesix.com/2019/02/11/jussie-smollett-finally-turns-phone-records-over-to-cops/

These reports, which claim to be sourced from police, are somewhat inconsistent but none of them suggest the cops would have been satisfied with a screenshot. And he has now turned over records. Don't know what to make of claims that he may be faking the records as suggested in this thread.
 
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