Hope and Change Guy Lobbies Against Keystone Pipeline

[leftysergeant]

When was the last damaged fuel rod removed from the site?

 

[Mudcat]

When was the last damaged fuel rod removed from the site?

The fallacy you are committing here is 'begging the question', Lefty. There was more than one site that was damaged and some of the rods won't be going anywhere for at least seventeen years. But just in case your math is really bad seventeen years does not equal a century (Century being derived from centum, which means a hundred which is a lot more than seventeen in case you were in any way confused), and I still stand by my original statement that century from now radioactive contamination isn't going to be one of the things they'll still be trying to recover in terms of this particular tragedy.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

When was the last damaged fuel rod removed from the site?

How is a damaged fuel rod going to cause global extinction?

 

[BenBurch]

Are you sure that is the only cancer which has spiked, or will spike down the road? ...

Absolutely sure.

Why do I know?

Because of a history of exposure to such things going back 80 years. Enough people have been exposed to enough reactor products that we know with a high certainty what health issues it causes and at what rates. We even know the health risks of exposure to a prompt critical reaction without any shielding whatsoever (unfortunately).

 

[BenBurch]

When was the last damaged fuel rod removed from the site?

They will be removed as it becomes safe to remove them. I expect we will see a lot of robots in use, but they are not strictly needed - there are work protocols that can deal with this.

 

[Travis]

Fukushima isn't over yet.

Okay, indulge me. Lay out a scenario with the remaining waste at the Fukushima plant that somehow creates an extinction level event.

 

[elbe]

Off topic, but an episode of PBS' Nature shows that there is some good coming out of the terrible Chernobyl disaster within the Exclusion Zone.

 

[Robert Prey]

You two make such a lovely couple.

And you're both wrong.

Deaths per terawatt hour of electricity generation:

Coal – world average 161 (26% of world energy, 50% of electricity)
Coal – China 278
Coal – USA 15
Oil 36 (36% of world energy)
Natural Gas 4 (21% of world energy)
Biofuel/Biomass 12
Peat 12
Solar (rooftop) 0.44 (less than 0.1% of world energy)
Wind 0.15 (less than 1% of world energy)
Hydro 0.10 (europe death rate, 2.2% of world energy)
Hydro - world including Banqiao) 1.4 (about 2500 TWh/yr and 171,000 Banqiao dead)
Nuclear 0.04 (5.9% of world energy)

Let us know when Nukes are so safe, they can self-insure and not tap the taxpayers for those hidden costs and well as the hidden costs of waste storgage and Nuke shut-downs.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Let us know when Nukes are so safe, they can self-insure

They already are self-insured.

and not tap the taxpayers for those hidden costs

Nuclear receives roughly 1/14th the subsidies that wind does (inforgraphic created by JREF forum member "Tony").

and well as the hidden costs of waste storgage

Waste storage costs are going to go up thanks to Democrat Harry Reid. It's funny to me how you think people like him are lying through their teeth to you about oil supply and climate change, yet you walk in perfect lock step with him when it comes to nuclear energy.

Fortunately, this is another problem we already have a way out of... we can burn it.

and Nuke shut-downs.

Also already solved. Nuclear reactors in the US and Canada are running between 91% and 95% capacity factors. Which is pretty much in line with fossil fuel plants.

 

[Ray Brady]

Okay, indulge me. Lay out a scenario with the remaining waste at the Fukushima plant that somehow creates an extinction level event.

Is the inclusion of Godzilla monsters permitted?

 

[leftysergeant]

Are any of the rods still submerged in sea water? The stuff forms some interesting salts in contact with seawater.

 

[Tricky]

I'll settle for one that does not pose the risk of ending the Holocene.

It should already be over by now. You predicted the Macondo oil spill would cause worldwide extinctions too. Maybe it happened already and nobody noticed.

C'mon, Lefty, environmentalists have a hard enough time trying to get people to take them seriously. Having diminutive gallinaceous fowls expostulating fearfully about a hypothetical rapid lowering of the stratosphere is not helping the credibility of serious environmentalists.

 

[mhaze]

It should already be over by now. You predicted the Macondo oil spill would cause worldwide extinctions too. Maybe it happened already and nobody noticed.

C'mon, Lefty, environmentalists have a hard enough time trying to get people to take them seriously. Having diminutive gallinaceous fowls expostulating fearfully about a hypothetical rapid lowering of the stratosphere is not helping the credibility of serious environmentalists.

The study of the Apocalyptalis Hystericama (common name Left Wing Hysterical Parrot) is ongoing. It's not well understood how these birds came to have only one wing on the left side.

 

[leftysergeant]

It should already be over by now. You predicted the Macondo oil spill would cause worldwide extinctions too. Maybe it happened already and nobody noticed.

Macondo isn't really over with, either. Hell, Exxon Valdez isn't over with.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Macondo isn't really over with, either. Hell, Exxon Valdez isn't over with.

Is this really the way you think?

Industrial incident X didn't and isn't going to cause the end of the world.

Leftysergeant: "It's not over yet!"

Industrial incident Y didn't and isn't going to cause the end of the world.

Leftysergeant: "It's not over yet!"

Repeat ad infinitum nauseum.

Is it really more important to you that all life on Earth become extinct than for you to admit you are wrong?

Do you think this is how mature adults behave?

 

[leftysergeant]

Do you think this is how mature adults behave?

When he sees that he is poisoning himself, he stops before he gets a lethal dose.

How many more major catastrophes do you think it will take to wipe out an eccosystem?

We still don't know where all the oil that the dispersants sunk is going to wind up.

If it hits the major fishing grounds of the north Atlantic, we are in for some nasty environmental repercusions.

 

[Corsair 115]

When he sees that he is poisoning himself, he stops before he gets a lethal dose.

Now you just need to cite some hard scientific evidence that things are nearing a lethal dose.

 

[Robert Prey]

They already are self-insured.



Nuclear receives roughly 1/14th the subsidies that wind does (inforgraphic created by JREF forum member "Tony").



Waste storage costs are going to go up thanks to Democrat Harry Reid. It's funny to me how you think people like him are lying through their teeth to you about oil supply and climate change, yet you walk in perfect lock step with him when it comes to nuclear energy.

Fortunately, this is another problem we already have a way out of... we can burn it.



Also already solved. Nuclear reactors in the US and Canada are running between 91% and 95% capacity factors. Which is pretty much in line with fossil fuel plants.

So-called private Nuke insurance is only partial, and does not begin to cover a catastrophic incident.

From: Reason Magazine,
Steve Chapman | March 21, 2011


Nuclear is the fuel of the future—and always will be

"If there is a significant release of radiation, then conceivably several thousand people could (get) cancer in the next several years to decades," said Charles Ferguson, president of the Federation of American Scientists, in an interview on the Council on Foreign Relations website. Large areas could be uninhabitable for months. Unlike miners and rig workers, who can quit anytime they choose, most of the people in jeopardy from a nuclear meltdown have no choice.

http://reason.com/archives/2011/03/21/nuclear-powers-unchanging-plig

 

[Robert Prey]

They already are self-insured.



Nuclear receives roughly 1/14th the subsidies that wind does (inforgraphic created by JREF forum member "Tony").



Waste storage costs are going to go up thanks to Democrat Harry Reid. It's funny to me how you think people like him are lying through their teeth to you about oil supply and climate change, yet you walk in perfect lock step with him when it comes to nuclear energy.

Fortunately, this is another problem we already have a way out of... we can burn it.



Also already solved. Nuclear reactors in the US and Canada are running between 91% and 95% capacity factors. Which is pretty much in line with fossil fuel plants.

The risk of a wide spread catastrophic event actually happening is a certainty which can be understood via this simple formula:

P x I = C

Where P represents the possibility, however small it may be
and
I represents Infinity

And C represents the Certitude of a Catastrophic event.

 

[Chaos]

The risk of a wide spread catastrophic event actually happening is a certainty which can be understood via this simple formula:

P x I = C

Where P represents the possibility, however small it may be
and
I represents Infinity

And C represents the Certitude of a Catastrophic event.

We may now add statistics to the long list of things you have no clue about.