Homosexuality is a choice

[Bishadi]

The odd thing is that when I choose to be heterosexual, I find myself fantasizing endlessly about having sex with men, even while I'm having sex with women. What kind of choice is this?

I have procreated, btw, and my son is straight. I have two brothers who had the same genetic endowment and environment as I, who are both straight.

There's an awesome hypothesis for the cause of homosexualty called "sexually antagonistic selection" which I recommend to anyone interested in the subject. It explains how homosexuality can have a genetic basis and remain stable in a gene pool even if homosexuals never reproduce. (Oddly, gay and bisexual teens have higher rates of unintended pregnancies than straight teens, I am told). When I explained sexually antagonistic selection to my straight brother, he said, "I've already decided what causes gays and nothing you can say will change my mind". LOL.

So, are we seeking truth, or only seeking confirmation for what we already believe is true?

just like you fantasies, they are of mind

the physiological part of you procreated (a good was produced; life), the rest is your 'likes' (choice).

it is simple!

 

[commandlinegamer]

A hemorphidite is someone born with both male and female sex organs


these are the only genetic version of bisexual which can be homo or hetero and it be based on biology


the rest are of choice


sexual orientation is the psychologist definition that has ruined the nature of the whole issue; people are being lied to about the facts!

ie.... medical science is not governed by beliefs, it is based on physical applications; science!

Proof by assertion = argument fail.

 

[Bishadi]

So it's my understanding, according to Bishadi, only heterosexual men donate to sperm banks...?

what is natural about the banks

And he knows sexual orientation is decided by gender at birth, without one scientific study to back up his claim?

just the whole of nature versus the beliefs of people.

ie... i have more evidence than you do

isnt it

Fascinating.

?

 

[Bishadi]

Proof by assertion = argument fail.

how about my post is proof by reality/truth and you have no method of discounting reality.

 

[HansMustermann]

Unless you also prove the connection, just handwaving some irrelevant observation isn't "truth", it's a plain old case of Ignoratio Elenchi. Or "not understanding logic" in plain English.

 

[commandlinegamer]

how about my post is proof by reality/truth and you have no method of discounting reality.

Circular reasoning.

If I want to go round in a loop, I'll play Monopoly.

Provide some evidence, if you want to make those claims.

 

[Red3]

But gay copulation dont make babies.

Again, so what? When every human being that exists is dead - every animal, every tree, everything - the universe won't give a f&*K. Just because a few people "choose" (playing devil's advocate) to not have a heterosexual relationship which results in children, so what? What difference will it make? The universe will still be here, doing what it does. You, me ,all our individual bloodlines are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things to an unconscious entity. You talk about nature like it has a plan and a conscious knowing - it doesn't. If you think it does, then prove it. (my choice of the word scheme is bad - there is no scheme) And even if it did, who are you to say you know what that is? How do you know what's right or wrong?

But saying all that, at this moment in time and certainly in the future the choice to not have children will help the human race rather than hinder it, people who choose not to have kids will be helping the survival of our race and home planet. Maybe nature does have a plan and your idea of what it is, is completely wrong - maybe nature/the universe designed gay people to save the planet and us from ourselves

So,playing D.A again, why does it matter if "gay copulation don't make babies"?

what is natural about the banks

Everything is natural about them. They're here and part of the universe. If they aren't natural, then what are they? Supernatural?! They're made with the same building blocks as the rest of the known universe (as are t.v's, action figures and wellington boots). Just because they're man made doesn't make the unnatural. And what's more, they're a way of ensuring reproduction, which you keep harping on about and blaming gays for impeding. Gays donate sperm. You shot yourself in the foot again.

 

[Bishadi]

Again, so what? When every human being that exists is dead - every animal, every tree, everything

no it aint.

if i pour water on a tree, then energy i gave, lives in that life; reality.

if i procreate today and my body dies tomorrow, i live in that 'gift' (of my choice)

Darwin, lives in the gift of knowledge, still.

the unevolved mind, does not comprehend life

- the universe won't give a f&*K.

no one is asking the universe to care. 'we the people' are of the life, within the universe and capable of compassion, love and capability; it is 'us' that are to care.

but read some of the posts from the queer minds; many dont give a f&*K.

Just because a few people "choose" (playing devil's advocate) to not have a heterosexual relationship which results in children, so what?

ie... the selfish dont give a hoot for the lives that gave for them to even be here.

What difference will it make? The universe will still be here, doing what it does.

and naturally, the unevolved go extinct.

You, me ,all our individual bloodlines are inconsequential in the grand scheme of things to an unconscious entity.

that is why, i am not concerned with what the 'universe' thinks (or even any 'created' gods), 'we the people' NOW, alive and in the flesh, are what matters in these short periods that we have 'choice'.

'we' give for the lives of existence; the children

but some are so concerned about making themselves happy, that they believe they are irrelevant to anything within the universe, except themselves.

You talk about nature like it has a plan and a conscious knowing - it doesn't. If you think it does, then prove it. (my choice of the word scheme is bad - there is no scheme) And even if it did, who are you to say you know what that is? How do you know what's right or wrong?

good (actions we can choose); support life to continue

bad: loss to the common

proof; anything not created by the garden is man-made and much is divergent from nature.

But saying all that, at this moment in time and certainly in the future the choice to not have children will help the human race rather than hinder it, people who choose not to have kids will be helping the survival of our race and home planet.

then go jump and do us all a favor

but lying to the children, to any, is wrong (loss to the common)

Maybe nature does have a plan and your idea of what it is, is completely wrong - maybe nature/the universe designed gay people to save the planet and us from ourselves

and if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle

So,playing D.A again, why does it matter if "gay copulation don't make babies"?

as the parts for sex are evolved for procreation, telling someone otherwise without the underlying FACT being comprehended is how BS continues to grow (like cancer; bad (self-centered) to the body)

Everything is natural about them. They're here and part of the universe. If they aren't natural, then what are they? Supernatural?! And what's more, they're a way of ensuring reproduction, which you keep harping on about and blaming gays for impeding. Gays donate sperm. You shot yourself in the foot again.

while you lie to yourself.

all i did was state unequivocally, that to comprehend the life of what we are, within this universe, then comprehending 'good and bad' (right and wrong) is not so tough


but to believe donating sperm is the best method and just continuing the deception is ok too, then no one can change what the self, intends to do (i know, you can be responsible for you).

 

[Red3]

no it aint.

Er, what?

no one is asking the universe to care. 'we the people' are of the life, within the universe and capable of compassion, love and capability; it is 'us' that are to care.

but read some of the posts from the queer minds; many dont give a f&*K.

Well some of us are...

ie... the selfish dont give a hoot for the lives that gave for them to even be here. and naturally, the unevolved go extinct.

Also, the selfish also have children for their own benefit.

that is why, i am not concerned with what the 'universe' thinks (or even any 'created' gods), 'we the people' NOW, alive and in the flesh, are what matters in these short periods that we have 'choice'.

So it's all just your opinion about what's right? Surprise, surprise...

'we' give for the lives of existence; the children

Yes, "we" - as a species. It's not as black and white as you make it. All this gays don't have kids = bad stuff is simplistic and wrong on so many levels. Human beings have "community based" genetic traits that go far deeper than just being able to reproduce and keep the numbers up. We have altruistic tendencies that are arguably just as important.

but some are so concerned about making themselves happy, that they believe they are irrelevant to anything within the universe, except themselves.

I've not met one person like this. Your anti capitalist slant is maybe tainting your reason a little?

good (actions we can choose); support life to continue

bad: loss to the common

Again, this is just so simplistic it's laughable.

proof; anything not created by the garden is man-made and much is divergent from nature.

Hippy nonsense.

then go jump and do us all a favor

I wouldn't give you the satisfaction.

but lying to the children, to any, is wrong (loss to the common)

I agree,that's why we should stop filling their heads with religion.

as the parts for sex are evolved for procreation, telling someone otherwise without the underlying FACT being comprehended is how BS continues to grow (like cancer; bad (self-centered) to the body)

Just because someone has certain body parts and they're meant to work in a certain way doesn't mean they will...Sexuality and physical gender are quite easily genetically separated/altered in the brain. For example it's been found that gay man have some similar brain make up (neurons in the Hypothalamus) to heterosexual women. But I won't bore you with science, you clearly have no interest in it.

all i did was state unequivocally, that to comprehend the life of what we are, within this universe, then comprehending 'good and bad' (right and wrong) is not so tough

No, comprehending right and wrong is easy, that's why philosophers, and some of the greatest thinkers of our species have struggled with it since our ability to think.

but to believe donating sperm is the best method and just continuing the deception is ok too,

It works, who cares? And a child from a sperm donation could be a lot more wanted/loved than one created by a quick drunken teenage fumble in a shop doorway. "Natural" doesn't always mean best.

Anyway, this is all moot. Do you have anything to back up your ideas on homosexuality being a lifestyle choice?

 

[Craig4]

take a genetics test or purely look between the babies legs when born.

if there is no genetic difference in which the science can provide EVIDENCE that the child is born hemorphradite, then that child is sexually orientated to the gender it was born as.

any diffference is learned. ie... there is no genetically material evidence that renders a make genetically wants a male part put in them. And anyone who tells you that is a liar.

Same with the female side, there is no gene that makes a women REQUIRE that she has sex with another women.

desires are not genetically driven to contradict the life otherwise they are called genetic mutations and them folks can be assisted.

kind of like the cleft palet, we can assist them versus having to cut everyone elses lip to make them feel better.
most everything i do is about life and the comperhension of living organisms to the molecular level.




if the person was born hemorphridite, then gay can apply to the biology if not it is all psychological.

case closed!

How about you go ahead and crack open a seventh grade science text book and familiarize yourself with the scientific method. You need some very basic grounding in scientific principals before you try to tackle some of the more complicated topics you seem to be interested in.

 

[Mr. Scott]

just like you fantasies, they are of mind

the physiological part of you procreated (a good was produced; life), the rest is your 'likes' (choice).

it is simple!

You don't seem to hear what I'm saying, as if you are only skimming my postings to come up with expedient refutations without true comprehension.

Have you read about and fully comprehended the principle of sexually antagonistic selection?

Maybe you can explain how one chooses, rather than discovers, what one likes.

I assume you are straight. Did you CHOOSE to be straight?

I assume you are male and are attracted to women. Did you choose to be attracted to women?

If you like big breasted women, did you choose to be attracted to big breasted women, or did you discover it?

Do you see where I'm going here? Does one typically choose to like something? Does one EVER choose to like something? Let's start at the beginning. Does a baby choose to like mother's milk, or discover the liking? Think of something simple that you like -- a kind of food or music -- and tell us if you really think you chose to like it or if you discovered you liked it.

Gay people DISCOVER they like gay sex. They don't choose to like it. In a free society, people may do what they want as long as no one is harmed. Gay sex harms no one. Its persistence in nature suggests it may have benefit. So BUG OFF and let gays enjoy what comes naturally to them and doesn't harm you.

 

[Thunder]

I am of the impression that evolutionary biology has some purpose for homosexuality. That is why a good 10% of the human population is gay.

 

[brenn]

I am of the impression that evolutionary biology has some purpose for homosexuality. That is why a good 10% of the human population is gay.

Could be, but as far as this thread has proven, it could just be that evolutionary biology has a purpose for a sex drive and humans can then decide how to satisfy that drive (or not).

 

[Bishadi]

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Also, the selfish also have children for their own benefit.

the nature of life (the purpose) is 'to continue'

So it's all just your opinion about what's right? Surprise, surprise...

grounded to nature (reality) not belief

Yes, "we" - as a species. It's not as black and white as you make it.

sure it is.

reality only works ONE way and all branches of knowledge will evolve to comprehend that.

religions call it a 'revealing'

to science it is the quest (to understand) which is the innert quest of philosophy too

to the physicist, the last word is the 'correct' theorem, which to me, is the last word (the name of the boss, (existence itself) is the math to describe the nature of existence (the process))

so as you ground to what you want and believe, i like nature to render what is true

ie... sex is for what in nature? (the life to live) (black and white as it gets)

All this gays don't have kids = bad stuff is simplistic and wrong

those are the words coming from YOUR keyboard as my words NEVER once render that. So to clarify what i said, then same sex intercourse does not make babies.

Lots of gays have children but to lie to them and tell them that same sex pleasure is normal, is a bonafide LIE.

see the difference of your ranting and me just 'telling it like it is'. As YOU know the truth is what it is and simply DONT like the implications (personal responsibility)


now if i said i have the 'name upon the head' then who would have the last word in this argument?


But then if you maintained what you are reading and allowed the comprehension to set in, yu would be just as capable of judging right and wrong on this matter all by yourself.

ie.... procreation is the REASON for the parts and each are born with the parts representing their LIVING SEXUAL ORIENTATION

anyone can choose otherwise but that dont make it natural


as well each can do good and bad as they choose but i believe each will do far better overall, if just given the chance to comprehend reality.

i did not say anything wrong about your preference, i just dont see you having a right to lie, false witness or even try to insult me as remotely good

if i am wrong, then i will be left extinct and likewise if you are wrong


enjoy the ride

 

[TragicMonkey]

I am of the impression that evolutionary biology has some purpose for homosexuality. That is why a good 10% of the human population is gay.

I've always found interesting that experiment someone did with rats once, where they created a confined environment and let them breed as much as they wanted, and observed the behavior. The more rats that occupied the space, the more same-sex relations that were observed. It was suggested that perhaps homosexuality shows up when the population reaches a certain density, as a sort of growth-control method. The more gays, the smaller the next generation, the less shared the resources will have to be.

 

[Bishadi]

I am of the impression that evolutionary biology has some purpose for homosexuality. That is why a good 10% of the human population is gay.

less than a fraction are born hemorphridite (both sexes genetically)

the rest are gay by choice!

kind of like, most know the golden rule of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"............ but there is that percentage that are whacked with selfish pursuits over the virtues of empathy

gay in the sense of identification is self imposed!

kind of like a jew thinking israel is their home when they never have even known the land labeld israel.


what "is real" is bound to truth and we all live here when comprehended!

 

[bookitty]

the nature of life (the purpose) is 'to continue' grounded to nature (reality) not belief sure it is.

reality only works ONE way and all branches of knowledge will evolve to comprehend that.

religions call it a 'revealing'

to science it is the quest (to understand) which is the innert quest of philosophy too

to the physicist, the last word is the 'correct' theorem, which to me, is the last word (the name of the boss, (existence itself) is the math to describe the nature of existence (the process))

so as you ground to what you want and believe, i like nature to render what is true

ie... sex is for what in nature? (the life to live) (black and white as it gets)


those are the words coming from YOUR keyboard as my words NEVER once render that. So to clarify what i said, then same sex intercourse does not make babies.

Lots of gays have children but to lie to them and tell them that same sex pleasure is normal, is a bonafide LIE.

see the difference of your ranting and me just 'telling it like it is'. As YOU know the truth is what it is and simply DONT like the implications (personal responsibility)


now if i said i have the 'name upon the head' then who would have the last word in this argument?


But then if you maintained what you are reading and allowed the comprehension to set in, yu would be just as capable of judging right and wrong on this matter all by yourself.

ie.... procreation is the REASON for the parts and each are born with the parts representing their LIVING SEXUAL ORIENTATION

anyone can choose otherwise but that dont make it natural


as well each can do good and bad as they choose but i believe each will do far better overall, if just given the chance to comprehend reality.

i did not say anything wrong about your preference, i just dont see you having a right to lie, false witness or even try to insult me as remotely good

if i am wrong, then i will be left extinct and likewise if you are wrong


enjoy the ride

Here's hint, free form poetry doesn't work very well as an intellectual argument. Two different disciplines, dontcha know.

I already explained how my DNA is safe through my nieces and nephew. There is no need for me to procreate, so I can use my resources to add to those of my sisters' to ensure that my DNA gets the best possible chance for the future.

But even if none of the kids decide to procreate, it doesn't matter. Individuals can't go "extinct," my line can not die off because I am loosely related to about a billion other people on the planet. There is always the chance that the entire human race will go extinct but there's no possible way for homosexuality to cause that.

 

[Bishadi]

Here's hint, free form poetry doesn't work very well as an intellectual argument. Two different disciplines, dontcha know.

i know; right and wrong are different disciplines.

I already explained how my DNA is safe through my nieces and nephew.

not your DNA. You are exclusively YOU. You choose how YOU represent YOUR mother and father, directly!

ie... with honor? or perhaps without? (Which is your discipline?)

There is no need for me to procreate, so I can use my resources to add to those of my sisters' to ensure that my DNA gets the best possible chance for the future.

thanks for giving. ie... elton will be here forever too.

but dont fib. Best take the pain, than fib.

But even if none of the kids decide to procreate, it doesn't matter. Individuals can't go "extinct," my line can not die off because I am loosely related to about a billion other people on the planet.

i know life will conitinue and i am glad you know it too.

but you are unique in that you are 'right here, right now' with a capability of comprehending, as you sit. now watcha gonna do with it?

There is always the chance that the entire human race will go extinct but there's no possible way for homosexuality to cause that.

never said it would

i am more interested in you and what YOU are capable of,

personally! (ie.. i know what you can do and how important each are but many dont know it, themselves and to have the old eyes opened, then anyone of us can live forever, in what we do and know it)


no one is judging you except by what you do

do good, live long time

iif not, wrong team!

 

[johnny karate]

A hemorphidite is someone born with both male and female sex organs

Spell check and the dictionary seem to be in disagreement with you.

 

[alfaniner]

And every child you perhaps even heard of or read about was born by the normal methods of sexual intercourse.

Just. Plain. Wrong.