Homoeopathic contraception?

[Rolfe]

Re: Re: Homoeopathic contraception?

no - but a proving could effect fertility

Er, did you mean that? A proving could make the person fertile?

I'm going to assume that that was a typo or pure bad grammar, and you meant to state that a proving could affect fertility.

So, a proving could make a person more or less fertile? I'll pass on asking for evidence because why expect any from Barb, why change the habit of a lifetime.

So, if a proving made the subject more fertile, would the "therapeutic" use of the remedy not reduce fertility? But I see the problem. The "patient" is perfectly healthy, so how would the remedy know it was supposed to act in the opposite way, and wasn't supposed just to be doing the proving bit again. Tricky.

But, if a proving made the subject less fertile, and we consider that the person wishing contraception will be healthy, then why should they not use that proving effect as a contraceptive?

Unless of course, unknown to them, they were in fact subfertile all the time, in which case the remedy might detect that and "cure" it. Oops!

It's quite fun, all this speculating about what might be so in this entirely untestable world where you can just make up the rules as you go along anyway because actually nothing does diddly-squat, but it's a bit terrifying to realise that people who actually believe this fantasy actually aim to take responsibility for people's health.

Rolfe.

 

[Deetee]

Re: Re: Homoeopathic contraception?

Rolfe,

But of course it can! First, we try to find something that creates the same symptoms as conception. After eliminating all other possibilities, including a futilely long search for incubi, we find only sperm causes the same symptoms. So, now the process is very simple:

1. Gather sperm.
2. Add to a volume of water.
3. Succuss
4. Dilute 1:10
5. Succuss
6. Repeat steps 4 and 5 to 30C dilution
7. Place a small drop... uh... wherever...

Shouldn't that be:
1. Sucuss
2. Gather sperm.

Any skepchicks out there need some sucussion practice....?
(PM me)

 

[Deetee]

Originally posted by BSM
Just be careful not to succuss it too much, you never know what might happen.

http://www.hominf.org/rubber/rubover.htm

A few exerpts from the provings......

"I felt deep love all day"
"Got home and wanted nothing more than to get undressed ..."
"Wanted to be in company but not participate." (..there's a word for that...)
"I feel really frustrated, I'm hot, clammy, restless"
"I had a very sexual dream where I was slowly caressing a woman. I was not sure that she wanted me to, so I caressed slowly from top to bottom and was very happy when she opened her legs as a sign of enjoying my ministrations."
"Lying in bed dozing, a white spray appeared on right hand side of my bed, It lasted only one or two seconds."

"A wild party night. Starting to worry about the amount of male company I have had recently. I am enjoying it "
"My breasts feel bigger "
"There was intense or voluptuous itching in all parts"
"I had a very sore vagina, on the edge by the perineum"
"I had an argument with my husband later in the morning." (..not at all surprised..)




However, reading on, reality bites:

"During the 7th week of the proving there were 2 car crashes outside my house. I have lived here over 4 years and have never seen one before" (damn that latex!)

"I had the desire to urinate over my front gate to mark my territory" (teach them to try and prove latex in a feline...)

"I am very paranoid that I have cancer - that the proving has given me cancer - I keep forgetting that I am on the proving and think that I have cancer." (comments, rouser?)

"Went shopping and forgot to bring the car home" (damn latex again!)

 

[Rolfe]

Rolfe.

 

[Lisa Simpson]

"During the 7th week of the proving there were 2 car crashes outside my house. I have lived here over 4 years and have never seen one before" (damn that latex!)

I just cannot believe anyone with two brain cells to rub together could possibly link ingesting some essence of condom with car accidents that happened near them.

 

[BillHoyt]

I just cannot believe anyone with two brain cells to rub together could possibly link ingesting some essence of condom with car accidents that happened near them.

If the condom whose essence one is ingesting happens to still be on the driver?

 

[Hellbound]

I just cannot believe anyone with two brain cells to rub together could possibly link ingesting some essence of condom with car accidents that happened near them.

Ah, well, see, the problem is in this assumption right here:

...anyone with two brain cells...

Your assumption of multiple neurons is not supported by evidence

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Naturopathic training in the States is rigorous.

and Barb is an example of that rigorous training is she?



This thread is going to wear out that poor dog!

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

"My breasts feel bigger " Poor bloke.

 

[Benguin]

But would you have a two-sided shingle depending on who your client was? If I'm coming in for some herbal remedy, would you put up the naturopath accreditations? If I want some shaken water, do you flip the shingles over and show me the degree from the Royal School of Homeopathy?

Seriously, though, that'd be some awesome one-stop alt-med shopping - add in some acupuncture, reflexology and iridology and you'd have all your bases covered.

I get the distinct feeling the same customers buy into the same woo. Dunno if I could prove it though.

Barb could actually answer this one with reasonable authority, even if reconciling naturopathic faith with homeopathic could be a challenge.

 

[Rolfe]

But would you have a two-sided shingle depending on who your client was? If I'm coming in for some herbal remedy, would you put up the naturopath accreditations? If I want some shaken water, do you flip the shingles over and show me the degree from the Royal School of Homeopathy?

Seriously, though, that'd be some awesome one-stop alt-med shopping - add in some acupuncture, reflexology and iridology and you'd have all your bases covered.

In this context, I have to submit the incomparable qualifications of Chris Day, MA, VetMB (sorry BSM), VetFFHom, MRCVS (sorry both of us).

A quackier one-stop shop you will never find, I guarantee it. Try the crystals from Atlantis for a real laugh.

Rolfe.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

It is an interesting line to discuss. We know these people have such muddied thinking that they cannot see where their beliefs conflict with reality, but you needn't get into a detailed fight about controlled trials etc, because the mutual contradictions within the set of philosophies they themselves espouse show them to be incapable of organised thought. I've used the phrase once already today, but it is another version of duckspeak: their larynxes or typing fingers articulate the words but they have no connection to cognition.

 

[Rolfe]

I agree. So how do explain Chris getting through your six-year course at Fen Poly? Back in the 70s, in a single-figure class of people intended to be the future teachers and research workers of the profession?

Was the entire academic staff on LSD or what?

Rolfe.

 

[Barbrae]

Re: Re: Re: Homoeopathic contraception?

Er, did you mean that? A proving could make the person fertile?

I'm going to assume that that was a typo or pure bad grammar, and you meant to state that a proving could affect fertility.

So, a proving could make a person more or less fertile? I'll pass on asking for evidence because why expect any from Barb, why change the habit of a lifetime.



Rolfe.

Rolfe, I think you know me well enough by now to know my typing is terrible, fingers too fadst and I just don't care enough to check my work here.

Yes, a proving can affect one's fertility. Specifically reducing fertility - thereby being able to increase fertility when given as the similimum in an infertile individual. You certainly would not choose to use this (provign) as a form of birth control for several reasosn. First, in a proving there is never just one symptom produced and secondly, you do not know if you would be affected this way.


Regarding my "habit of a lifetime" comment. I can not understand why you keep making comments like that. I came out from day one saying I DO NOT have the "evidence" you require. Why do you keep asking? I have always said the "evidence" that meets your criteria is lacking. you act like I came here saying that I could prove to youthat homeopathy worked and then failed to do so - I never did. i always said that my belief in homeopathy is based on my experience, I said the evidence that meets your criteria for proof is something I do not have, I do not try to convince you or anyone else of homeopathy's efficacy.

I come here to answer questions about homeopathy, my belief in it, my practice of it - that is all. So I will repeat again - I do not have your evidence, you can stop asking me for it. Youcan ask me about homeopathic theory, practice, beleifs, education, etc etc.
I also come to clear up misconceptions - such as the latest that homeoapths claim that homeopathy cures everything instantly, untrue.

ANyway, that's that.

 

[Barbrae]

I get the distinct feeling the same customers buy into the same woo. Dunno if I could prove it though.

Barb could actually answer this one with reasonable authority, even if reconciling naturopathic faith with homeopathic could be a challenge.

Actually Benguin, if you were familiar with Hahnemanns writing on hygeine, maintaining cause of disease, nutrition and health I think you would see that his philosophies fit into the belief system of naturopathy quite nicely. I think it is unfortunate that more homeopaths don't take this view and have commented many times on the boards that the origional teachings of homeopathy included such things.

My naturopathic training and my homeopathy education (which were two seperate entities btw) compliment each other nicely. I have mentioned before that I do not recommend homeopathic remedies for everyone and for those that I do I almost always incorporate soem aspect of naturopathy.

I have been trained via my naturopathic education in iridology and reflexology - I never use either.

 

[geni]

I have been trained via my naturopathic education in iridology and reflexology - I never use either.

Why not? I've met some people who are very posertive about iridology and have tons of anicdotal evidence (sure I have a definate edge when it comes to scientific evidence but so?).

 

[Barbrae]

You'll be happy to hear that I just found out today that my CEC's for this year include a research seminar and I may be conductign a proving or a DBPC study. ANy volunteers?

 

[geni]

You'll be happy to hear that I just found out today that my CEC's for this year include a research seminar and I may be conductign a proving or a DBPC study. ANy volunteers?

Well I think you are slightly on the wrong side of the atlantic for me to be involved.

 

[Barbrae]

Why not? I've met some people who are very posertive about iridology and have tons of anicdotal evidence (sure I have a definate edge when it comes to scientific evidence but so?).

Just wasn't my cup of tea. Had some negative experiences with it. Also, it doesn't offer much as far as treatment goes - more as a "diagnostic" which quite frankly I prefer to get from allopathic methods if need be.

 

[geni]

Just wasn't my cup of tea. Had some negative experiences with it. Also, it doesn't offer much as far as treatment goes - more as a "diagnostic" which quite frankly I prefer to get from allopathic methods if need be.

Oh dear don't let Dr. Daniel Waniek hear you say that (one of these days I'm going to cheack if that Dr is legit) he has an impressive line in ranting.