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Kit,

I’ve talked to Monty Dodge before, negative on the Huntster. The track in question was in the Bloody Run Creek Area of the Scott Mts. (CA.) just below the Eagle Creek Benches. Monty seemed very sincere about this track, in my opinion it’s man made.



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Kitz, hes also a comedian. I can see where MM is coming from, but he needs to provide evidence instead of anecdotes
 
These threads offer much skeptical insight about the Snelgrove findings.

In regards to the hair, are you aware that artificial hair can be misidentified as being real?

Here's my contribution to the "why Dr. Meldrum is held in low regard here" posts:

These links are perfect examples of Dr. Meldrum being biased when it comes to his beliefs.

This seems to be proof of him being caught in a lie.

It also seems that the tracks that inspired his mid-tarsal break theory are highly likely to have been that of a bear.

Here's a thread noting the many problems with his paper on "Bigfoot feet," including how he uses "evidence" provided by known hoaxers like Ivan Marx and Paul Freeman. I seem to recall Dr. Meldrum using a picture of a Ray Wallace track as a background on a page of his site as well.

I should note that I should have written "midtarsal pressure ridge" instead of "midtarsal break" in one of my posts there and that comparison to Ray Wallace's fake feet to those of Patty was meant to show that they both shared some similarities that point towards a hoax, not to say that I thought Wallace helped hoax the film.
 
AtomicMysteryMonster said:
These threads offer much skeptical insight about the Snelgrove findings.

In regards to the hair, are you aware that artificial hair can be misidentified as being real?

Here's my contribution to the "why Dr. Meldrum is held in low regard here" posts:

These links are perfect examples of Dr. Meldrum being biased when it comes to his beliefs.

This seems to be proof of him being caught in a lie.

It also seems that the tracks that inspired his mid-tarsal break theory are highly likely to have been that of a bear.

Here's a thread noting the many problems with his paper on "Bigfoot feet," including how he uses "evidence" provided by known hoaxers like Ivan Marx and Paul Freeman. I seem to recall Dr. Meldrum using a picture of a Ray Wallace track as a background on a page of his site as well.

I should note that I should have written "midtarsal pressure ridge" instead of "midtarsal break" in one of my posts there and that comparison to Ray Wallace's fake feet to those of Patty was meant to show that they both shared some similarities that point towards a hoax, not to say that I thought Wallace helped hoax the film.
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Artificial hairs differ from real hairs.

No bear tracks can be mistaken. We are talking about 15-18, deep deep impressions (as deep as bears) 6ft strides.
 
I found something with artificial hair:
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Desert, thats obviously a cover up! Every one knows those are supposed to be top secret! Why do these things need to be shown to the public, they will only cause chaos!
 
makaya325 said:
Artificial hairs differ from real hairs.
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I guess you didn't read the part about hair analysis labs getting fooled by synthetic hair in the article I linked you to. I'm also guessing that you haven't tried any experiments with such hair (I recommend Dynel).

No bear tracks can be mistaken.
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Actually, they have.

One thing that helped me "off the fence" regarding whether or not Bigfoot existed was this site, which hypothesized that overlaid animal tracks could be mistaken for the tracks of a bipedal, humanoid animal (aka Bigfoot). Although convincing by itself, I decided to look into whether or not this was actually possible. These links show tracks that have been confirmed as being overlaid bear tracks. Now imagine what would happen if those bears moved over one of their feet just a bit more. Instant "Bigfoot" track.

I was also lucky enough to find this trackway, which consists of bear prints overlaid enough to show how a quadrupedal animal’s tracks can seem like those of a bipedal animal, but not overlaid enough to give the impression of a Bigfoot trackway. This was enough to convince me that Dr. Bruce Marcot’s work was indeed correct. I then decided to do research more about bear feet and how they compared to alleged Bigfoot tracks. I found that in some case, even non-overlaid tracks greatly resemble Bigfoot tracks.

Here's a supposed Bigfoot cast from Dr. Meldrum's website. Now here is a picture of a cast of a black bear's hind paw (source)

Here's another picture from Dr. Meldrum's website and here's a picture of the feet of an unconscious bear. I'm not saying the above bear made that track, only that it seems likely that a bear made it.

I find the resemblence between this “Bigfoot track” and this Himalayan black bear track to be astounding.

I showed those pictures to other people to see what they thought. They saw the resemblance, although it was noted that the Himalayan bear track picture had some grass covering a toe and that it would’ve been much easier to see the resemblance if the bear picture was “flipped”. I did find some other, similar pictures while doing Google image searches for bear tracks and bear prints.
Those seem to prove my suspicion that American species of bears can leave tracks similar to the Himalayan one.

I think I see signs of a partial track overlay in this picture, and here we have a bear track that looks humanoid.

This could certainly be an explanation for Bigfoot tracks that were supposedly found in places so remote that the chances of finding them would be unlikely (although it's kinda odd to say that, seeing as how people actually find said tracks by going to those "remote" areas). Combined with hoaxes and people mistaking holes and such in the ground for "heel marks" or "partial footprints," I'd say that we have a nice little skeptical package that explains Bigfoot prints. To be valid as evidence, all Bigfoot tracks will need to demonstrate that they are not the result of the above options.
 
AtomicMysteryMonster said:
I guess you didn't read the part about hair analysis labs getting fooled by synthetic hair in the article I linked you to. I'm also guessing that you haven't tried any experiments with such hair (I recommend Dynel).



Actually, they have.

One thing that helped me "off the fence" regarding whether or not Bigfoot existed was this site, which hypothesized that overlaid animal tracks could be mistaken for the tracks of a bipedal, humanoid animal (aka Bigfoot). Although convincing by itself, I decided to look into whether or not this was actually possible. These links show tracks that have been confirmed as being overlaid bear tracks. Now imagine what would happen if those bears moved over one of their feet just a bit more. Instant "Bigfoot" track.

I was also lucky enough to find this trackway, which consists of bear prints overlaid enough to show how a quadrupedal animal’s tracks can seem like those of a bipedal animal, but not overlaid enough to give the impression of a Bigfoot trackway. This was enough to convince me that Dr. Bruce Marcot’s work was indeed correct. I then decided to do research more about bear feet and how they compared to alleged Bigfoot tracks. I found that in some case, even non-overlaid tracks greatly resemble Bigfoot tracks.

Here's a supposed Bigfoot cast from Dr. Meldrum's website. Now here is a picture of a cast of a black bear's hind paw (source)

Here's another picture from Dr. Meldrum's website and here's a picture of the feet of an unconscious bear. I'm not saying the above bear made that track, only that it seems likely that a bear made it.

I find the resemblence between this “Bigfoot track” and this Himalayan black bear track to be astounding.

I showed those pictures to other people to see what they thought. They saw the resemblance, although it was noted that the Himalayan bear track picture had some grass covering a toe and that it would’ve been much easier to see the resemblance if the bear picture was “flipped”. I did find some other, similar pictures while doing Google image searches for bear tracks and bear prints.
Those seem to prove my suspicion that American species of bears can leave tracks similar to the Himalayan one.

I think I see signs of a partial track overlay in this picture, and here we have a bear track that looks humanoid.

This could certainly be an explanation for Bigfoot tracks that were supposedly found in places so remote that the chances of finding them would be unlikely (although it's kinda odd to say that, seeing as how people actually find said tracks by going to those "remote" areas). Combined with hoaxes and people mistaking holes and such in the ground for "heel marks" or "partial footprints," I'd say that we have a nice little skeptical package that explains Bigfoot prints. To be valid as evidence, all Bigfoot tracks will need to demonstrate that they are not the result of the above options.
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Nope, not at all. Most prints, such as greys harbor, laird tracks, bluff creek, etc arent bears. No, they werent fooled, the synthetic hairs are a contaminent. What about the bona fide unexplained hairs?
 
makaya325 said:
Nope, not at all. Most prints, such as greys harbor, laird tracks, bluff creek, etc arent bears. No, they werent fooled, the synthetic hairs are a contaminent. What about the bona fide unexplained hairs?
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Slow down. Read the post. Check a link before arguing it. Use the quote function. Participate in debate. Don't make the board your chat room. Just stop it, please.
 
Does anyone have a jpeg in their images of the sliding bear track in the mud from Meldrum's footprint piece? Could we have that up please? I would do it but I'm trying to economize my folder.
 
Kitz, bear tracks dont really look like a flat human 18 inch track. Bears have claws, and the overstepping theory is pathetic. Heck, a monkey has a better chance. Bears cant walk, they dont have a large sagittal crest, they dont whoop, they dont throw basketball sized boulders.
 
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