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Homeopathy. Mixing a diluted ingredient with the same undiluted ingredient.lu

Gord_in_Toronto said:
Unfortunately you are drinking miniscule to nonexistent of my pee too and this cancels out the potential beneficial effects of at least two Hollywood Hunks. :yikes:
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Well, we all drink just about everything imaginable, including succussed homeodrugs every day , if you drink tap water
By that measure no one should be sick with anything by now
 
jaydeehess said:
Well, we all drink just about everything imaginable, including succussed homeodrugs every day , if you drink tap water
By that measure no one should be sick with anything by now
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You don not understand Looking Glass logic.

If homeopathic remedies cure afflictions then Western pharmaceuticals cause afflictions. Even though we all drink the homeopathic cures, everyone who drinks tap water is also drinking substances that cause dis-ease.

The White Rabbit explained it all to me and the Walrus one sunny night.

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I just realized the implication of all that. If the pharmaceutical industry were destroyed, then we would all be cured and homeopathic-remedy companies would go out of business. The homeopaths are probably lobbying for government support of pharmaceuticals - it all part of the long game.

The military/industrial/entertainment complex is really the military/entertainment/pharmaceutical complex.
 
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You know, I think I've been making a tragic mistake because I don't think in homeopathy terms enough. I should be drinking the vastly diluted urine of ugly people if I want to be the opposition, handsome. So I've been making a terrible error up to now! That explains it!

Any volunteer donors?
 
Getting serious for a moment. What do homeopaths say when critics point out that according to orthodox homeopathy, massively diluted carcinogens should cure cancer?
 
Mojo said:
"That would be isopathy, not homeopathy."
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Unless the cancer actually regresses following medication in which case it's homeopathy again and why doesn't anyone believe how wonderful homeopathy is when clearly it can cure cancer.

:D

Yuri
 
Everything good that happens to you is due to the very small quantities of stuff I put in the water. Anything bad is due to fact-based medicine.

You can pay me anytime you get a chance.
 
Ladewig said:
Getting serious for a moment. What do homeopaths say when critics point out that according to orthodox homeopathy, massively diluted carcinogens should cure cancer?
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Yes, that's exactly what they claim.

They are clinging to the theoretical effect called [Radiation Hormesis]

Note: this is also a popular 'fun science fact that liberals ignore' for politicians and [polemicists] hostile to the EPA: "See, pollution is actually good for us. Thank the EPA and antiscience liberals and their nanny state for giving us all cancer."
 
Ladewig said:
Getting serious for a moment. What do homeopaths say when critics point out that according to orthodox homeopathy, massively diluted carcinogens should cure cancer?
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You need to get the specific cancer for that to work.
 
arthwollipot said:
Not quite. "Like cures like", but they're referring to symptoms, not diseases. You can't dilute cancer to cure cancer, but you can dilute substances that cause similar symptoms to cancer.
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Not quite. The dilution is a different principle. The "like cures like" claim is that a remedy will cure patients who have similar symptoms to those that the remedy itself, not whatever is was diluted from, causes in healthy subjects.
 
Giordano said:
You know, I think I've been making a tragic mistake because I don't think in homeopathy terms enough. I should be drinking the vastly diluted urine of ugly people if I want to be the opposition, handsome. So I've been making a terrible error up to now! That explains it!

Any volunteer donors?
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Sorry, I'm too good looking. Though if you've a worst enemy...
 
arthwollipot said:
Not quite. "Like cures like", but they're referring to symptoms, not diseases. You can't dilute cancer to cure cancer, but you can dilute substances that cause similar symptoms to cancer.
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Aww, I was hoping to make a fortune. :mad:

Cancer cells cause cancer symptoms. So I thought that I could lyse dead cancer cells, dilute them in several steps and succuss the solution after each dilution. The result would be a cure for cancer.

This sounds like a contradiction. How come the cancer is treated like a symptom rather than an underlying cause?

The patient wouldn't need to be exposed to even a single atom of the original cancer. I was also thinking of similar cures potentiating radioactive elements, estrogen-like chemicals, tobacco smoke and other things that cause the symptoms of cancer.

Since these materials are underlying causes of cancer, then potentiating these materials should then produce a cure for cancer. I am certain that the potentiated substances couldn't cause cancer, or anything else.

Now I am getting confused. What in the homeopaths fevered imagination constitutes an 'underlying cause"?) How does that differ from a symptom?)
 
Mojo said:
Not quite. The dilution is a different principle. The "like cures like" claim is that a remedy will cure patients who have similar symptoms to those that the remedy itself, not whatever is was diluted from, causes in healthy subjects.
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Sorry, I thought that was exactly what I said.
 
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