Homeopathy. Mixing a diluted ingredient with the same undiluted ingredient.lu

[Ladewig]

Well obviously. But even in the homoeopathic literature, you never see any preparation with any kind of negative side effect.

Or warnings to avoid certain combinations of remedies.

 

[Mojo]

This is exactly NOT what your definition said!

"a drug capable of producing morbid symptoms in a healthy person will cure similar symptoms occurring"

Ths Law of Similars says that the DRUG that produces the symptoms will cure them (when successed)

Nope. The dilution and succussion is nothing to do with the "Law of Similars".

Hahnemann came up with the "Law of Similars" in the 1790s, when he was working a a translator and translating a book about herbal remedies. He became interested in the reason that cinchona bark was effective against malaria. At the time it was thought that this was because it had a bitter taste (remember that germ theory was not yet discovered, and it was not known that malaria is caused by a parasite). Hahnemann reasoned that this was wrong because other bitter substances were not effective against malaria, and took some cinchona bark to see what effect it had. He experienced symptoms that he thought were similar to the symptoms of malaria, and jumped to the conclusion that its ability to cause similar symptoms was what made it effective.

He initially used material doses both for "provings" and for treating patients. It was only later, after he realised* that he was poisoning his patients, that he introduced the dilutions. The succussions also came later. Once he was using diluted and succussed remedies for treating patients, he also advocated using diluted remedies for "provings". All the "Law of Similars" says is that a remedy capable of producing particular symptoms in healthy subjects can cure those same symptoms.

*Apparently this took him some time: according to this he "began the systematic serial dilution and succussion of his medicines around 1814".

 

[Mojo]

I agree with Red Baron Farms.
You can discuss homeopathy's concepts or rules or philosophies, but you most assured cannot talk about homeopathy's principles.

It has been described (by forum member Geni, I think) as "a system of excuses masquerading as medicine".

 

[Red Baron Farms]

You really can't parody it. It's just that stupid.

 

[Emily's Cat]

homoeopathic literature

Maybe it's ignorance on my part... but I find this phrase to be very humorous.

 

[Ladewig]

It has been described (by forum member Geni, I think) as "a system of excuses masquerading as medicine".

It strikes me as more of " a system of excuses masquerading as ingestible magic."

Our remedy is so powerful that it is possible that a single drop can cure all your symptoms, but so mild that it can be sold over the counter - plus, it is so wholesome that manufacturers need no licensing or inspectors. And it is so safe that one cannot overdose on it.​

Has there ever been a medicine that could meet those claims?


ETA: plus, it is so tricksy that skeptics are confounded by it.

The emperor's medicine: only the truly and profoundly wise can be cured by it.

 

[Hellbound]

Maybe it's ignorance on my part... but I find this phrase to be very humorous.

An Example of Homeopathic Literature:

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That was an epic trilogy.







ETA: Okay, so maybe it is possible to parody homeopathy, a bit

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I've just spent a considerable amount of time searching for the definition of a homeopathic succession -- without much success (so far ) and, as best I can tell, Hahnemann just shook/tapped his medicine bottles and called this succession. It is a very, very dangerous thing to do to excess.

A complete copy of the 5th edition of The Organon of the Healing Art is on-line here: http://www.homeopathyhome.com/reference/organon/organon.html

Those who claim to be pure Hahnemannists have much to answer for.

When I did a demonstration a few years ago, I was told that in order to properly potentize the solution, I had to shake it 10 times vertically, then bang it 10 times against a leather-bound bible, then shake it 10 times side to side, then bang it another 10 times against a leather-bound bible, then shake it 10 times back and forth, then bang it another 10 times against a leather-bound bible.

I think this was actually combining two different methods, but it seemed to work. By which I mean it didn't work at all.

I've read in a number of places, not least Ben Goldacre's Bad Science, the the method Hahnemann proscribed was to build a horsleather, straw stuffed seat cushion, with a wooden back, and that you'd shake the solution ten times, then bang it off the cushion ten times (in a very specified motion, not elaborated), then dilute the solution a hundred times, and repeat the process with the same volume of the new solution as you did with the old. Repeat until you get to the desired level of zero molecules of the original substance you desire.

It is very much like an alchemical formula for making gold from lead.

 

[arthwollipot]

In a nutshell: It is very important to succuss your solutions, but there is no generally recognised method of doing so.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

In a nutshell: It is very important to succuss your solutions, but there is no generally recognised method of doing so.

You mean it's not so easy to successfully succuss your solutions When is succuss success?

 

[Donn]

They also deduce their dilutions.

 

[Darwin123]

I've read in a number of places, not least Ben Goldacre's Bad Science, the the method Hahnemann proscribed was to build a horsleather, straw stuffed seat cushion, with a wooden back, and that you'd shake the solution ten times, then bang it off the cushion ten times (in a very specified motion, not elaborated), then dilute the solution a hundred times, and repeat the process with the same volume of the new solution as you did with the old. Repeat until you get to the desired level of zero molecules of the original substance you desire.

What your patient gets is the benefits of your exercise, potentiated.
Can one use a whoopee cushion ?

 

[EHocking]

You mean it's not so easy to successfully succuss your solutions When is succuss success?

When you can charge 100-fold the price of 15cc of water to the gullible.

 

[Ladewig]

Repeat until you get to the desired level of zero molecules of the original substance you desire.

 

[pteridine]

No one can explain how the water molecules hold their shape when the drug molecule leaves or how that molecule can escape the solvent cage without disturbing it.
Another problem is that downstream water treatment systems don't always remove drugs, even with chlorination or ozonation, and the human body doesn't metabolize everything.

 

[Giordano]

I drink the urine of famous actors and actresses to become better looking. Of course I dilute it a lot first. I have found that a Sun-powered evaporation and cloud-associated condensation also helps. I am hoping to become awesome looking by 2100.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

I drink the urine of famous actors and actresses to become better looking. Of course I dilute it a lot first. I have found that a Sun-powered evaporation and cloud-associated condensation also helps. I am hoping to become awesome looking by 2100.

Unfortunately you are drinking miniscule to nonexistent of my pee too and this cancels out the potential beneficial effects of at least two Hollywood Hunks.

 

[Ladewig]

Unfortunately you are drinking miniscule to nonexistent of my pee too and this cancels out the potential beneficial effects of at least two Hollywood Hunks.

But did you succuss your urine by jumping up and down and then swaying side to side and then doing pelvic thrusts?

♫ and its the pelvic thrust that really drives you insaa-aa-aane. Let's do the Time Warp again. ♪​

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[EHocking]

But did you succuss your urine by jumping up and down and then swaying side to side and then doing pelvic thrusts?

♫ and its the pelvic thrust that really drives you insaa-aa-aane. Let's do the Time Warp again. ♪​

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yeah . . .

That's not pee . . .

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

yeah . . .

That's not pee . . .

What he said. Let's not get silly. This is a serious scientific discussion we are having here.