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Holocaust Links question

MG1962

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I have been caught up in a Holocaust debate on another forum, interstingly dealing with mentality not unlike the 911 deal

Is there anywhere on the net that some one has gone to the trouble of producing a "Gravy" style debunking of this whole disgraceful topic???
 
Nizkor is the alpha and omega of this stuff, but look specifically at their point-by-pont rebuttal of Holocaust Revisionism's 66 Questions at: http://www.nizkor.org/features/qar/qar00.html

And, if you haven't seen it, rent Mr. Death, the documentary about Fred Leuchter. He is the poster child for everything pathetic, misguided and lost about the Denial movement.
 
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Loss Leader said:
And, if you haven't seen it, rent Mr. Death, the documentary about Fred Leuchter. He is the poster child for everything pathetic, misguided and lost about the Denial movement.
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Actually he's the Avery to the Holocaust movement. Got all of it wrong, but people still read his bogus report. And the "revisionists" like to say Germar Rudolf confirmed Leuchters findings (although Leuchters methods were woohoo).

I think I've seen Dr Death on one of the videosites, but I just cant seem to find it right now.

EDIT: Think this is the one.
Cheers,
SLOB
 
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Post the link to the, ahum, discussion.

Regards

Mailman
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Thanks for the offer, but looks like it is winding down. A few other forum people have jumped in and put this person in his place.

I did the old CT trick and just started cutting and pasting mountains of stuff from that first link :)

And all those other links - I will be up to speed next time.

I had heard of deniers before, just never realised they were so well organised.
 
MG1962 said:
Thanks for the offer, but looks like it is winding down. A few other forum people have jumped in and put this person in his place.

I did the old CT trick and just started cutting and pasting mountains of stuff from that first link :)

And all those other links - I will be up to speed next time.

I had heard of deniers before, just never realised they were so well organised.
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Actually they are not that well organised. At least not anymore. Leuchter is gone, David Irving has left the revisionist-scene, recanting his more obvious Holocaust denial, nobody really take Zundel seriously, some of it because of his Nazi-UFO at Antarctica beliefs, some because he openly expresses his liking of Hitler, some because is a tad odd (and he's in prison). Same goes for Friedrich Paul Berg, hes to much of an open nazi for the crowds. Left is more or less Faurisson, who's not that active anymore and Germar Rudolf, who is currently in prison. Maybe Fredrick Töben aswell.

The revisionist-posse and the rev-newcomers pretty much relies on old material.

Cheers,
SLOB
 
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MG1962 said:
Is there anywhere on the net that some one has gone to the trouble of producing a "Gravy" style debunking of this whole disgraceful topic???
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Personally, I always thought that the sudden and near total disappearance of large Jewish communities from European countries occupied by the Nazis (except Norway, Denmark, and Hungary) was bit of a giveaway......but there you go.
 
Architect said:
Personally, I always thought that the sudden and near total disappearance of large Jewish communities from European countries occupied by the Nazis (except Norway, Denmark, and Hungary) was bit of a giveaway......but there you go.
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Hungarian Jews were deported in 1944, as well as many Jews from parts of Romania annexed by Hungary during WWII.
 
Firestone said:
Hungarian Jews were deported in 1944, as well as many Jews from parts of Romania annexed by Hungary during WWII.
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These are the current best-available figures. (Up all of 200,000 from Raul Hilberg's 1961 calculation of 5.1 million).

Germany 150,000
Austria 48,767
Luxemburg 720
Netherlands 100,000
Belgium 23,484
France 76,134
Denmark 116
Norway 758
Finland 8 German refugees handed over
Italy 6,513
Albania 591
Greece 59,185
Yugoslavia: 65,000
Hungary 410,000+ (1940 borders)
Czech Republic 77,297(1940 borders)
Slovakia 66,000 (1940 borders)
Romania 120,919 (1940 borders)
Estonia 1,000
Latvia 77,000
Lithuania 140,000 (1939 borders)
USSR 1,050,000 (1939 borders
- Belorussian SSR 250,000 (1939 borders)
- Ukrainian SSR 656,000 (1939 borders)
- Russian SFSR 144,000
Poland 2,890,000 (1939 borders)
- western Poland 1,600,000 (German occupation from 1939)
- eastern Poland 1,210,000
- Wilno district 80,000
Total 5,364,492 as a minimum
 
Architect said:
Personally, I always thought that the sudden and near total disappearance of large Jewish communities from European countries occupied by the Nazis (except Norway, Denmark, and Hungary) was bit of a giveaway......but there you go.
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And some non-occupied countries as well. In Eichmann in Jerusalem, IIRC, Hannah Arendt gave an account of NAZI attempts to deport Jews from allied (but not occupied) countries. Some complied, but many just ignored the requests entirely. In southern Italy and Greece, officials would receive these letters demanding the deportation of Jews. They would hastily reply that efforts were well underway and then just as hastily forget the whole thing.

In northern countries, defiance of Nazi edicts was much more difficult but it was done. Obviously, the courage of the King of Denmark and others should never be forgotten.
 
Nick Terry said:
These are the current best-available figures. (Up all of 200,000 from Raul Hilberg's 1961 calculation of 5.1 million).

Germany 150,000
Austria 48,767
Luxemburg 720
Netherlands 100,000
Belgium 23,484
France 76,134
Denmark 116
Norway 758
Finland 8 German refugees handed over
Italy 6,513
Albania 591
Greece 59,185
Yugoslavia: 65,000
Hungary 410,000+ (1940 borders)
Czech Republic 77,297(1940 borders)
Slovakia 66,000 (1940 borders)
Romania 120,919 (1940 borders)
Estonia 1,000
Latvia 77,000
Lithuania 140,000 (1939 borders)
USSR 1,050,000 (1939 borders
- Belorussian SSR 250,000 (1939 borders)
- Ukrainian SSR 656,000 (1939 borders)
- Russian SFSR 144,000
Poland 2,890,000 (1939 borders)
- western Poland 1,600,000 (German occupation from 1939)
- eastern Poland 1,210,000
- Wilno district 80,000
Total 5,364,492 as a minimum
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And if you do it the other way around, should you believe the nazis own calculation of jews within the reach, they tallied 11,000,000 (If I dont remember it wrong - think it was in the Wannsee document). So should the rev's arguments hold tru ("transit camps" "relocated" etc), there should be umpten million refugees with relatives living in the former Soviet states. But all of those have failed to report in.

Are you BTW *the* Terry of HC-blog?

Cheers,
SLOB
 
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And should you believe the nazis own calculation of jews within the reach, they tallied 11,000,000 (If I dont remember it wrong - think it was in the Wannsee document).
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The Nazi number would be untrustworthy. The Jews had been getting a world of pain well before 1933 - countless thousands died in the ghetoes, long before the camp system got going. And a some, thankfully escaped after the estimate was made
 
MG1962 said:
The Nazi number would be untrustworthy. The Jews had been getting a world of pain well before 1933 - countless thousands died in the ghetoes, long before the camp system got going. And a some, thankfully escaped after the estimate was made
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Yes, I know. But my point was that if you follow the revisionists argument, that jews weren't murdered en masse, and if you follow their claim that the nazis were going for mere resettlement "to the east" - which a lot of them (as with truthers there are not plain consensus among the revs) claim was the purpouse of the Wannsee-conference, in short, if you believe that, then Wannsee states, jan 20 1942, that 11,000,000 jews were to be part of:

Wannsee protocol said:
Approximately 11 million Jews will be involved in the final solution of the European Jewish question, distributed as follows among the individual countries:
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Revs claim this referes to "resettlement in the East". And still... people went into Treblinka (as an example of an alleged "transit-camp"), but didn't come out. We dont hear the stories of reunited families. That is because they were murdered obviously.

Cheers,
SLOB
 
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SLOB said:
And if you do it the other way around, should you believe the nazis own calculation of jews within the reach, they tallied 11,000,000 (If I dont remember it wrong - think it was in the Wannsee document). So should the rev's arguments hold tru ("transit camps" "relocated" etc), there should be umpten million refugees with relatives living in the former Soviet states. But all of those have failed to report in.

Are you BTW *the* Terry of HC-blog?

Cheers,
SLOB
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Yes, I am 'the' Terry from HC.
 
SLOB said:
And still... people went into Treblinka (as an example of an alleged "transit-camp"), but didn't come out. We dont hear the stories of reunited families. That is because they were murdered obviously.
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I, personally, lost a great uncle and his entire family.

Nobody told me that we should have been checking the large, thriving centers of Jewish resettlement along the Russian border. I guess it's not too late. Do any Holocaust deniers have the phone number for over there? Or do I just dial 411 and they'll transfer me?
 
Nick Terry said:
Yes, I am 'the' Terry from HC.
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Then let me just take this moment to say kudos to you and Mathis (and I guess Sergej Romanov as well) for doing what you do. I've read your blog from the start and its great to see someone countering those deniers still active. Especially the more volatile - like Hannover and his posse.

Btw, was there ever any closure in the "Auschwitz debate" on Rodoh?

Cheers,
SLOB
 
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