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Holocaust deniers, explain this.

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Dogzilla said:
I'm sorry if I offended anybody but I do find humor of the absurd very very funny. And a bunch of Jews smashing four million pounds of bones to a fine dust with wooden mallets is so absurd that I just had to laugh.

It saddens me that there are people (lots of people) who have never learned the critical thinking skills necessary to see the absurdity of this scenario but it is hilarious nonetheless.
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Disgusting.Go and polish your jackboots and leave us alone.
 
Dogzilla said:
I'm sorry if I offended anybody but I do find humor of the absurd very very funny. And a bunch of Jews smashing four million pounds of bones to a fine dust with wooden mallets is so absurd that I just had to laugh.

It saddens me that there are people (lots of people) who have never learned the critical thinking skills necessary to see the absurdity of this scenario but it is hilarious nonetheless.
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You make the same mistake that I have seen made again and again by conspiracy theorists of all sorts. First, you read something, usually something with very little detail. Then, it conjures up an image in your mind. That image is based on your interpretation of the origninal writing, filtered through your own knowledge. On examining that image, you find flaws with it, and declare the original statement to be incorrect.

It's a flaw. You have an image in your head of Jews with wooden mallets, looking "like Santa's elves". Is it conceivable that the actual appearance was somewhat different? I don't know what that quantity of cremated human remains actually looks like. Do you? Where did you learn about the size of the bone fragments that remain from mass cremations? Where did you learn about the size of bone fragments considered acceptable when dumping human ashes into rivers?

So, instead of declaring the story absurd just because your mental image is absurd, perhaps you should question whether your mental image is accurate. Maybe the speaker didn't mean what you thought he meant.

By the way, critical thinking skills are most usefully employed when questioning your own assumptions, not the other fellow's.
 
Just a personal side note:
My dad's cremated remains (all ash, from the looks, when I took a peek) fit inside about a quart-sized plastic bag inside a small cardboard box. It didn't take much digging on my brother's part to bury the box in a quiet corner of some family land.
 
Dogzilla said:
I'm sorry if I offended anybody but I do find humor of the absurd very very funny.
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My great Uncle John who flew Lancasters in the Royal Canadian Air Force says that he's sorry he and his friends in Bomber Command had no choice but to torch 35,000 of you people in Dresden.

It was technically your fault though for putting a major rail yard in the middle of a population center and then pissing off almost the entire planet.

He also said he could smell roast pork at 30,000 feet.

So... we friends now?
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
My great Uncle John who flew Lancasters in the Royal Canadian Air Force says that he's sorry he and his friends in Bomber Command had no choice but to torch 35,000 of you people in Dresden.

It was technically your fault though for putting a major rail yard in the middle of a population center and then pissing off almost the entire planet.

He also said he could smell roast pork at 30,000 feet.
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Is he saying that he could smell the burning flesh of the people or of the pigs who deserved to be swept up into his firestorm? Or is he saying that when Germans are set on fire they emit the delicious aroma of Mom's pork roast? Not that this matters anyway. I'm just curious.

But anything he smelled at 30,000 feet wasn't coming up from 30,000 feet below him. That's definitely absurd and I guess sort of funny. But I still think smashing four million pounds of bones with wooden mallets is funnier.

He was kidding, wasn't he? I mean, he didn't expect you to believe him? And you didn't? Right?

So... we friends now?
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When weren't we?
 
Dogzilla said:
Is he saying that he could smell the burning flesh of the people or of the pigs who deserved to be swept up into his firestorm? Or is he saying that when Germans are set on fire they emit the delicious aroma of Mom's pork roast? Not that this matters anyway. I'm just curious.

But anything he smelled at 30,000 feet wasn't coming up from 30,000 feet below him. That's definitely absurd and I guess sort of funny. But I still think smashing four million pounds of bones with wooden mallets is funnier.

He was kidding, wasn't he? I mean, he didn't expect you to believe him? And you didn't? Right?



When weren't we?
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You should probably just apologize for your disgusting post and stop digging that hole. Just saying.
 
excaza said:
Obviously an unbiased, well researched source. :rolleyes:
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Yes, American Hebrew is probably a biased source of information about the Jews but it would be biased in favor of your argument. You don't dismiss everything written by Jews about Jews as biased. Why this one?
 
uke2se said:
You should probably just apologize for your disgusting post and stop digging that hole. Just saying.
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If you don't share the same sense humor that Sword of Truth and I do maybe you should not read our posts. Just saying.
 
Meadmaker said:
You make the same mistake that I have seen made again and again by conspiracy theorists of all sorts. First, you read something, usually something with very little detail. Then, it conjures up an image in your mind. That image is based on your interpretation of the origninal writing, filtered through your own knowledge. On examining that image, you find flaws with it, and declare the original statement to be incorrect.

It's a flaw. You have an image in your head of Jews with wooden mallets, looking "like Santa's elves". Is it conceivable that the actual appearance was somewhat different?
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Yes, I'm know they didn't literally look like Santa's elves.

I don't know what that quantity of cremated human remains actually looks like. Do you?
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Yes. The bones of adult woman weights about four pounds. A man weighs about six pounds. When it's ground up you'll get a greyish sandy material that would fill a quart size bag up to maybe a shoe box. It depends on the height and the age to some degree of the person.


Where did you learn about the size of the bone fragments that remain from mass cremations?
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I took Biology and Anatomy and Physiology classes in High School and College. I've also talked to funeral directors about the options that are available for me when and if I die.

But this isn't rocket science or some closely guarded secret. You can learn everything you need to know about cremation for the purposes of our discussion just by looking at funeral home websites. If you sneer at that as an unreliable source of information, kindly provide me with a reference source that you believe proves me wrong.

Where did you learn about the size of bone fragments considered acceptable when dumping human ashes into rivers?
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I have no idea what the SS thought was an acceptable size for dumping bone fragments into a river. They could dump any size fragments they wanted. Smaller pieces would be swept further down the river but eventually all of it would settle on the bottom.

Maybe they needed a permit from the local authorities to dump trash into the river but I am confident the SS could expedite any approval process. If the permit required the bone fragments to be a certain size and the SS didn't want to adhere to these limits, they could probably find a way to work around them.

So, instead of declaring the story absurd just because your mental image is absurd, perhaps you should question whether your mental image is accurate. Maybe the speaker didn't mean what you thought he meant.
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No, I conjure up an absurd mental image to match the absurdity of the story, especially when the story doesn't include any details that would explain why it isn't absurd. And a story that requires you to believe that it is actually feasible to have a bunch of Jews smashingfour and a half million pounds of human skeletons down to a fine powder using only wooden mallets and elbow grease over a maximum of a three year period is absurd.

And that's only at Auschwitz. At Treblinka, there would be a minimum of 3.1 million pounds of human skeletons which would need to be processed in six months!

The Germans had flour mills with giant grind stones that operated mechanically. Unless Jews have some particular aptitude for smashing each other's bones, don't you think the Germans could modify some technology they already had that would get the job done faster and better? At Treblinka they had back hoes to dig up all the bodies. Why didn't they just line up the skeletons on the ground and run over them with those back hoes? The Germans had gas chambers that were more advanced than anything we could build today, fercryinoutloud! Why would they dispose of skeletons using a variation of the technology we saw in the opening scenes of 2001: A Space Odyssey?

Hey! That's even funnier than Santa's elves! The Neanderthals around the obelisk in 2001: A Space Odyssey!!


By the way, critical thinking skills are most usefully employed when questioning your own assumptions, not the other fellow's.
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Critical thinking skills are necessary for question both you own and other's assumptions. But critical thinking skills won't help much when you don't have sufficient background knowledge of the topic to understand what is possible and what isn't.

Perhaps it's a little insensitive for me to laugh at people who believe the bone smashing stories. After all, when a three year old clings to you in terror because a man wearing a werewolf mask is rapidly approaching, I don't laugh. My critical thinking skills and knowledge of the way the world works gives me the confidence to know that we're not in any danger of being eaten by a werewolf. But the three year old doesn't. So I don't laugh at him even if other adults might.

But I do laugh when I hear about grown men and women being frightened when they see an eclipse. I laugh because I know that these people are frightened because they don't have the knowledge to realistically assess the danger of celestial events. They're not three years old so they should know, if not what causes an eclipse, that they're not in any danger from it. And believing the bone smashing story puts you in the same category as a person who is frightened by an eclipse.

Therefore I laugh. I wouldn't laugh if I thought this is what was actually done.
 
I don't get why the Holocaust deniers aren't more up-front about the Global Zionist Conspiracy stuff. It seems to me that this is the driving principle behind any dispute with respect to the details of Nazis killing Jews.

Yes, they seem so shy about the conspiracy at times. Maybe they can occasionally achieve enough clarity to realize that too much information makes them appear barking mad.

It's more comfortable to put on the sane face and fiddle with inconsequential side-issues, I guess.
 
eerok said:
I don't get why the Holocaust deniers aren't more up-front about the Global Zionist Conspiracy stuff. It seems to me that this is the driving principle behind any dispute with respect to the details of Nazis killing Jews.
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You'll notice that "some people" say "UFOs" when they mean "little green men in the hot rods of the gods." Why? Because saying what they mean makes them sound like utter idiots.

Extrapolate from there.
 
Dogzilla said:
If you don't share the same sense humor that Sword of Truth and I do maybe you should not read our posts. Just saying.
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I doubt Sword of Truth enjoys being dragged in on your morbid fantasies, nor do I expect him to be amused by Jewish prisoners being forced to grind the bones of their friends and families into dust.

Since you've decided to dig your hole even deeper, I'll oblige.
 
uke2se said:
I doubt Sword of Truth enjoys being dragged in on your morbid fantasies, nor do I expect him to be amused by Jewish prisoners being forced to grind the bones of their friends and families into dust.

Since you've decided to dig your hole even deeper, I'll oblige.
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More like a cess pit.
 
Dogzilla said:
Yes. The bones of adult woman weights about four pounds. A man weighs about six pounds.
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You do realize that after cremation, you don't end up with bones. You do end up with bone fragments. The calcium in the bones won't burn, but it will break into smaller pieces. You don't have intact skeletons, or even intact femurs, at the end of the process, and what you do have does not have the strength of bone. It's brittle and is easily broken into powder.

It's also mostly calcium compounds which are water soluble. Rivers are big. The powder will be carried downstream and dissipate over time. Yes, I assume that at the dumping place it would have been possible to find human residue at the end of the war, but why would you bother doing it?

I don't know why you find this implausible.


No, I conjure up an absurd mental image to match the absurdity of the story, especially when the story doesn't include any details that would explain why it isn't absurd.
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I think what you have done is to fill in the missing details with absurd ones, and then declared the story absurd.

And a story that requires you to believe that it is actually feasible to have a bunch of Jews smashingfour and a half million pounds of human skeletons down to a fine powder using only wooden mallets and elbow grease over a maximum of a three year period is absurd.
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Why? How many pounds of bone could one Jew process in an hour? I don't know, but, I'm picturing some powder that has about the same density as sand if it were to be completely ground up. I've carried thousands of pounds of sand in one day. However, the carrying isn't the difficult part. It's the crushing. So, I'm imagining a very large box of fragments that I have to strike with a hammer. I don't have to grind them to fine sand, the way a funeral home would. I would just have to get them down to pieces that could be swept up and put in a dump truck.

I'll bet I could do 300 pounds in an hour.

So, 4.5 million pounds, at 300 pounds per hour requires 15000 Jew-hours of labor. Twelve hour workdays, right? 1250 days. There are only 1095 days in three years. You'll need two Jews.

Now, you might object to this because I've described a grueling pace, that has to be kept for twelve hours a day, every single day. That's not a realistic pace. No one could keep it up for very long. Fortunately, though, you can kill the people who are doing it and replace them with new workers every few days if necessary.

Yes, it is horrific, but it's entirely plausible. Or perhaps you have some alternate figures you would like to provide, demonstrating the implausibility.



Also, I'm not sure that a "cracker" is a hammer. Could it be a press? Don't know. I'm assuming a mallet for the sake of argument.
 
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