Holocaust deniers, explain this.

[kageki]

Again you are doing it. We have agreed that the camp leaders may or may not have understood what was going on. They didn't recruit people to the camp. By your own words you have said that the people running the camps might not have understood what was going on.


But lets go back to the numbers shall we.


8 million people live in NYC. So if 6 million people died lets say the equivalent of rounding up everyone who lives in NYC and sending them to camps.

If this was an aim to just "house" people then it was a very poorly thought out plan. Think of the disaster at the Superdome 2300 people were trapped in the Superdome without resources, look at the results.

Anyone who decided to "house' people in camps would have understood that great expense and problems that would occur. Just feces is a huge problem. So why would they do this the way they did if the intention was just to house them in the camps during the war?

Just explain your opinion on that.

What movies do you think they watched?

 

[Meadmaker]

There is no evidence for skin lampshades.

According to the Nizkor project, there were three human skin lampshades found in the hut of Irma Grese when she was captured at Belsen. It says that they were tested, and also presented to a US Senate panel in the late 1940s.

It is conceivable that this is all some sort of silly mistake. Maybe what really happened is that someone found some tanned human skin, and in the same place they found a lampshade made from tanned skin, and in all the mixup some silly goose thought that the lampshades were made from human skin, when they were really made of animal skin, and just happened to be next to some tanned human skin.

Maybe this is all just some bureaucratic mixup and these people were unjustly accused of making lampshades out of tanned human skin, when what really happened is that they were making lampshades out of tanned animal skin, and just decided to see if they could also tan some human skin. That would sure be sad to think those innocent people were accused of making lampshades out of humans, wouldn't it?

 

[kageki]

According to the Nizkor project, there were three human skin lampshades found in the hut of Irma Grese when she was captured at Belsen. It says that they were tested, and also presented to a US Senate panel in the late 1940s.

It is conceivable that this is all some sort of silly mistake. Maybe what really happened is that someone found some tanned human skin, and in the same place they found a lampshade made from tanned skin, and in all the mixup some silly goose thought that the lampshades were made from human skin, when they were really made of animal skin, and just happened to be next to some tanned human skin.

Maybe this is all just some bureaucratic mixup and these people were unjustly accused of making lampshades out of tanned human skin, when what really happened is that they were making lampshades out of tanned animal skin, and just decided to see if they could also tan some human skin. That would sure be sad to think those innocent people were accused of making lampshades out of humans, wouldn't it?

How would you feel if someone accused you of making lampshades with human skin?

 

[truethat]

What movies do you think they watched?

I don't understand your question. Please rephrase it.


I guess I'll make my opinion clear. It is clear to me that they sent people to certain death and suffering knowing full well this would be the end result. It is my opinion that they desired the end result.

 

[kageki]

I don't understand your question. Please rephrase it.


I guess I'll make my opinion clear. It is clear to me that they sent people to certain death and suffering knowing full well this would be the end result. It is my opinion that they desired the end result.

What's a recent movie you have watched? Do you understand that?

 

[truethat]

What's a recent movie you have watched? Do you understand that?

A recent movie, I watched. I don't usually watch movies in the theaters because I'm hearing impaired but the other night I watched parts of Orlando on Youtube.

 

[kageki]

A recent movie, I watched. I don't usually watch movies in the theaters because I'm hearing impaired but the other night I watched parts of Orlando on Youtube.

So you understand english.

What movies do you think the inmates watched in Buchenwald?

Well I don't know so I was just curious.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

How would you feel if someone accused you of making lampshades with human skin?

Like a Nazi, of course. That's the Slime Gold Standard.

 

[truethat]

So you understand english.

What movies do you think the inmates watched in Buchenwald?

Well I don't know so I was just curious.

I don't know either. But back to the question I asked you.

Can you crunch the numbers here and make it make sense? I sure can't.


I'm using relative examples to make it clearer.

There were 7000 plus prisoners in the Japanese internment. They were wrongly imprisoned I agree. There were few deaths and suffering. This is because the plan was to house them as prisoners.


In the Superdome we get something on maybe 1/100th of the scale of Belsen. Those people were trapped without resources.

Your suggestion is comprable to "relocating" the other trapped people in NO TO the superdome even though it was a disaster at that point.

If they wanted to just house the prisoners why did they continue to send more and more people to a camp where the leader complained that people were dying at a rate of 200-300 A DAY.

Occums razor applies here. The simplest answer is that they didn't care if they died. No?

 

[kageki]

Like a Nazi, of course. That's the Slime Gold Standard.

So not very well I take it. Well I'm sure that's how Ilse felt too when she was accused of it.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

So not very well I take it. Well I'm sure that's how Ilse felt too when she was accused of it.

So maybe she shouldn't have done it then. But, being a pyscho bitch does cause problems in one's social life.

 

[kageki]

I don't know either. But back to the question I asked you.

Can you crunch the numbers here and make it make sense? I sure can't.


I'm using relative examples to make it clearer.

There were 7000 plus prisoners in the Japanese internment. They were wrongly imprisoned I agree. There were few deaths and suffering. This is because the plan was to house them as prisoners.


In the Superdome we get something on maybe 1/100th of the scale of Belsen. Those people were trapped without resources.

Your suggestion is comprable to "relocating" the other trapped people in NO TO the superdome even though it was a disaster at that point.

If they wanted to just house the prisoners why did they continue to send more and more people to a camp where the leader complained that people were dying at a rate of 200-300 A DAY.

Occums razor applies here. The simplest answer is that they didn't care if they died. No?

That's a possibility and that's about it.

 

[kageki]

So maybe she shouldn't have done it then. But, being a pyscho bitch does cause problems in one's social life.

Did what?

 

[truethat]

That's a possibility and that's about it.

Of course. And I guess what people are asking you is what another possibility would be?

See it's not enough for you to just stroll through debunking things in my opinion. You see Meade's post about the lampshade? That is kind of what I think people are expecting from you in a discussion.

You are providing information and you seem to be suggesting that your compilation of information causes us to question the Holocaust. For me it seems that you ignore parts of your links that CONFIRM other things about the Holocaust, like the gas chambers and an awareness and communication that people were dying at extreme rates.

Now, if this is the case what is your impression of what the truth really is? Because just questioning some of the stories that came out of the Holocaust doesn't mean the entire thing is not true.

Take for example the lampshades. It could well be that the story went around the camp that the woman was making them and it was just gossip that got blown out of proportion. That doesn't mean that the Holocaust is not true.

I think people want an opinion from you about how you see the dots connecting together to form a different picture and what was that picture.


Give it a try.

 

[eerok]

Is it true or not?

The stories of lampshades and book covers made from human skin were not verified (based on the expertise of Ken Kipperman), but pieces of tatooed human skin taken as souvenirs were verified and these still exist.

I guess you like to quibble about the degree to which Nazi atrocities were vile and despicable, but it's still the scale of the suffering that make it a Holocaust, as I keep saying. It's not a morbid artifact or two that makes a difference, it's the millions of victims who were treated worse than animals.

 

[Arisia]

C'mon folks, you gotta know by now that 'no human skin lampshades and no gas chambers = no Holocaust'!!

 

[Meadmaker]

How would you feel if someone accused you of making lampshades with human skin?

Well, I would be pretty darned upset, because the implication would be that I helped murder people, removed their skin, tanned it, and used the leather to make a lampshade. Since I haven't done any of those things, I would consider that to be a whole series of unjust and baseless accusations.

If, on the other hand, I had murdered people, removed their skin, and tanned it, the additional accusation about lampshade making probably wouldn't be a big deal. There is very, very, strong evidence that human skin from the Nazis' victims was removed and tanned.

We know that some of the lampshade making accusations were false. We believe that some were true, but it is possible that absolutely none of them were true. However, if a false accusation was made it was because someone saw tanned human skin, and a lampshade made out of tanned skin, and leapt to a false conclusion about the source of the skin used for the lampshade. It doesn't mean that there is a Zionist conspiracy to falsely accuse the Nazis, and it doesn't mean that the Nazis are any better than they are portrayed to be.

 

[MaGZ]

Wow. People like you really do exist, huh? That's amazing. So now the Nazi death camps were actually public health centers. Unfreakingbelievable.

...with Olympic size swimming pools, orchestras and a jazz band.

 

[MaGZ]

As part of a program of debilitating and starving the prisoners, I'll buy "typhus". It's just one more way they killed their charges.

You still haven't explained the OP. If you don't read English, have someone read the text of the articles to you.

If the Germans wanted a typhus epidemic in the camps, why would they think themselves immune to an outbreak?

 

[MaGZ]

The internment camps for Japanese-Americans were mostly in California, where it was considered most likely people loyal to the Emperor would be operating.

You had one big one in your state, Crystal City, Texas, made up of Germans, Italians and Japanese. Many of these families were kidnapped in South American and brought into the US.