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Holocaust deniers, explain this.

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kageki said:
Does that explain the Holocaust?
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You have to explain the Holocaust if you want a different interpretation than the one supported BY ENDLESS AMOUNTS OF EVIDENCE. You may now fictionalize history again.
German POWs were allegedly exposed to the same treatment.
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TFB. That makes it okay for Nasties to do it? If your friends jumped off a bridge, would you? (Please say yes.)
 
ddt said:
Attempt at diversion noted. Explain the pictures. Your "food crisis" has been debunked.


Attempt at diversion noted. Use of the word "allegedly" also noted, without a shred of evidence.
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How is that a diversion? Isn't this about the Holocaust?

The explanation that has been given to me such as the Buchenwald photo was that Nazis were bad. Nothing about the Holocaust.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses
 
kageki said:
How is that a diversion? Isn't this about the Holocaust?

The explanation that has been given to me such as the Buchenwald photo was that Nazis were bad. Nothing about the Holocaust.
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This thread is about the photos and footage as displayed in the OP. So why, according to you:
1) were those inmates in camps like Buchanwald, Dachau, Belsen, Mauthausen?
2) wouldn't the Nazis spend a few more calories on them?
 
kageki said:
How is that a diversion? Isn't this about the Holocaust?
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It's about the articles in the OP. We've said that enough for the most dense person to get the idea.
The explanation that has been given to me such as the Buchenwald photo was that Nazis were bad. Nothing about the Holocaust.
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The thread is about the articles in the OP. We've said that enough for the most dense person to get the idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses
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Good, I love it when people make themselves look foolish by citing the Bacque book. He's an ignorant twit with a reading disability. The whole book is based on ONE COLUMN HEADING, entitled "other losses" which was broken down in the report he never read.
 
ddt said:
This thread is about the photos and footage as displayed in the OP. So why, according to you:
1) were those inmates in camps like Buchanwald, Dachau, Belsen, Mauthausen?
2) wouldn't the Nazis spend a few more calories on them?
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This thread is also addressed to HOLOCAUST deniers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchenwald_concentration_camp

Camp prisoners from all over Europe and Russia—Jews, non-Jewish Poles and Slovenes, religious and political prisoners, Roma and Sinti, Jehovah's Witnesses, criminals, homosexuals, and prisoners of war— worked primarily as forced labor in local armament factories.
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Why spend any calories on them if extermination was the goal?
 
kageki said:
This thread is also addressed to HOLOCAUST deniers.
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And so you felt compelled to participate in the thread?

Yes, the OP wants to know what Holocaust deniers think of why the Nazis set up these KZs and hoarded people into them. So, are you going to give an honest answer or not?

kageki said:
Why spend any calories on them if extermination was the goal?
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Could you phrase that in the affirmative, rather than JAQing?
 
kageki said:
Why spend any calories on them if extermination was the goal?
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To humiliate them by making them into free labor for a little while before they drop dead? To treat them as less-than-human for a little while before they drop dead? Their blood is still on the hands of the Nazis, no matter what method was used to get it there. The crux of the matter, that the Nazis engaged in a campaign to bring about a 'Final Solution' to the Jewish problem (and many other groups they saw as a blemish on the Aryan purity of the Third Reich), cannot be denied. That we as a global society have chosen another term for what the Nazis did, the Holocaust, doesn't change the fact that this was their 'Final Solution' program, and that was far more than gassing people to death, but killing them by many other means.
 
ddt said:
And so you felt compelled to participate in the thread?

Yes, the OP wants to know what Holocaust deniers think of why the Nazis set up these KZs and hoarded people into them. So, are you going to give an honest answer or not?


Could you phrase that in the affirmative, rather than JAQing?
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Well it says Buchenwald was a labor camp. I can't think of any reason to disagree with that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchenwald_concentration_camp

You posed a similar rhetorical question.

So what does that Buchenwald photo explain? A possible explanation is that the Nazis committed atrocities at Buchenwald, but surely it is not of the Holocaust as in the extermination of Jews. If this thread is not about the Holocaust then what was the point?
 
kageki said:
Why?

It wasn't always so low.
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You ask questions you should be answering yourself.

Indeed: Why?
They had always been lower than the rations for Germans.

They had by the time the images in the OP were taken very obviously dropped to a point where death was unavoidable. These food rations amounted to slow, gruesome murder.

Now you: Why?
 
kageki said:
Well it says Buchenwald was a labor camp. I can't think of any reason to disagree with that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buchenwald_concentration_camp
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It's funny how your links consistently show you're either lying or leaving out important parts of its text:
A primary cause of death was illness due to harsh camp conditions, with starvation - and its consequent illnesses - prevalent. Malnourished and suffering from disease, many were literally "worked to death" under the Vernichtung durch Arbeit policy (extermination through labor), as inmates had only the choice between slave labour or inevitable execution. Many inmates died as a result of human experimentation or fell victim to arbitrary acts perpetrated by the SS guards. Other prisoners were simply murdered, primarily by shooting and hanging.
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Highlighting mine.

So, was Buchenwald just a labour camp, or was its ultimate purpose to exterminate the inmates - after having served some useful time as cheap labor?

And if Buchenwald, as you posit, was just a labour camp, why didn't the Nazis call it an Arbeitslager? Do you know the difference?

kageki said:
You posed a similar rhetorical question.

So what does that Buchenwald photo explain? A possible explanation is that the Nazis committed atrocities at Buchenwald, but surely it is not of the Holocaust as in the extermination of Jews. If this thread is not about the Holocaust then what was the point?
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Again with the JAQing. What about putting some sentences in the affirmative instead of playing the ignorant? So could you simply answer the questions:
1) Did the Nazis commit regularly atrocities at Buchenwald, Dachau, etc.?
2) Did the Nazis have as aim that ultimately all inmates would die of starvation, disease, or brutality?
 
kageki said:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses
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There is a very simple reason why this book and its main claim of nearly 1 million dead German POWs in US custody is sterling ********:

The common memory of the German war and post-war generation is full to the brim with tales of husbands, fathers and brothers lost in the USSR, and nearly void of such tales about husbands, fathers and brothers captured by western allies. Well, a little grunt here and there about the French. Yet even Bacque admits that half a million POW died in the Soviet Union, and that the western allies held a lot more captive.

Honestly, talk to any the elderly of any German family: You will hear lots of clamour about the Russians and lots of praise for Americans and Brits. And no, that is not the result of propaganda. It is the living memory of husbands, fathers and brothers who died or lived.

Too bad you choose to believe the liars in this world.
 
ddt said:
1) Did the Nazis commit regularly atrocities at Buchenwald, Dachau, etc.?
2) Did the Nazis have as aim that ultimately all inmates would die of starvation, disease, or brutality?
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When the Zionists give up on the gas chambers and extermination, then its on to brutality and atrocities. Billy Wilder was in Buchenwald within a week of its capture, making a movie showing soap made from Jewish fat, shrunken Jewish heads, a lampshade made from Jewish skin. All degenerate Zionist lies. People who have studied the issue are tired of this endless idiocy.
 
kageki said:
I did do that.

I explained there was a typhus epidemic and that Germany was faced with a catastrophic food situation which in combination caused many deaths in the camps.
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WHY DID YOUR NAZI HEROES PUT THEM IN THE CAMPS IN THE FIRST PLACE? Will one of you Holocaust deniers please answer that question? You all avoid it like the plague.
 
Saggy said:
When the Zionists give up on the gas chambers and extermination, then its on to brutality and atrocities. Billy Wilder was in Buchenwald within a week of its capture, making a movie showing soap made from Jewish fat, shrunken Jewish heads, a lampshade made from Jewish skin. All degenerate Zionist lies. People who have studied the issue are tired of this endless idiocy.
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Why was the *********** camp there in the first place?
 
I wonder if one of these cowardly birdbrains will finally have the guts to answer that question.
 
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