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Holocaust deniers, explain this.

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Chaos said:
For future reference: an "explanation" is something that actually explains something - a task at which Nazi apologetics like yours fail abysmally.
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I did do that.

I explained there was a typhus epidemic and that Germany was faced with a catastrophic food situation which in combination caused many deaths in the camps.
 
kageki said:
I did do that.

I explained there was a typhus epidemic and that Germany was faced with a catastrophic food situation which in combination caused many deaths in the camps.
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So, typhus raged everywhere in Germany? Or just where people were confined in conditions a dog-fighting promoter would find disgusting?
 
Gawdzilla said:
So, typhus raged everywhere in Germany? Or just where people were confined in conditions a dog-fighting promoter would find disgusting?
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It is explained that the disease was a consequence of the harsh camp conditions, but it would appear that the disease was still not desired by the Nazis by the fact they tried to stop it's transmission.

Besides that one of those pictures is from Buchenwald, which another poster pointed out is fairly marginal to the Holocaust in the sense that it was an extermination of the Jews. That would mean that picture really has nothing to do about the Holocaust.
 
kageki said:
The problem was probably exacerbated by a combination of factors.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/~ja...arvation.shtml

Under these circumstances you probably will not be surprised that the saying now has become true: Before the German people are to experience starvation, the occupied territories and their people shall be exposed to starvation.
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I can conclude that had there not been an issue with the food situation that those prisoners would not have been starving. Had there not been a typhus epidemic in addition then it is most likely you would not have seen such casualties.

While it was certain the Nazis hated the Jews, I don't come to the conclusion that genocide was the intent. They did view their contribution in labor to be valuable. Much of the rhetoric can be viewed as conquering as essentially any country aims to do in war.
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Wow. The link you quoted (broken in my quote now, I admit) does a good job at proving that starvation was a deliberate or at least conscious method of increasing death rates - i.o.w.: of killing masses of people.
 
Oystein said:
Wow. The link you quoted (broken in my quote now, I admit) does a good job at proving that starvation was a deliberate or at least conscious method of increasing death rates - i.o.w.: of killing masses of people.
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I didn't think so.

I think an accusation of being deliberate is appropriate if there was not a food crisis, but there apparently was one.
 
kageki said:
I didn't think so.

I think an accusation of being deliberate is appropriate if there was not a food crisis, but there apparently was one.
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You take the word of Mr. Meier, the fat incompetent head of the Luftwaffe for gospel? He also claimed he could win the Battle of Britain. He also claimed that he could airlift enough supplies to the encircled 6th army at Stalingrad.

The footage shows that the German normal citizens were well-fed. The SS camp guards too. The inmates, however, had to live on 600 cal/day, that's about a quarter to a fifth of what's normal. Providing them with sufficient food would not noticeably have affected the food supply for the whole German population. Do the math.
 
kageki said:
It says catastrophic here and they did still feed the inmates. It still indicates to me that it was due to circumstance and not of deliberation.

It is a fact that the Nazis did try to curb the spread of Typhus which alone defies the notion of malicious intent.
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It is also a fact that the Nazis kept their cc inmates at food rations so drastically below minimum subsistence that all but made sure their untimely death.
 
kageki said:
I didn't think so.

I think an accusation of being deliberate is appropriate if there was not a food crisis, but there apparently was one.
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A food crisis, which happened because the Nazis deliberately herded innocent people into camps, deliberately gave them less than the rest of the population received, after deliberately starting a war against half the world.

No matter how you twist it, the Nazis deliberately murdered these people.
 
ddt said:
No, the inmates were "just" subjected to starvation, forced labour, brutality by the guards and the whims of Mr. and Ms. Koch.
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Does that explain the Holocaust?

German POWs were allegedly exposed to the same treatment.
 
kageki said:
It is explained that the disease was a consequence of the harsh camp conditions, but it would appear that the disease was still not desired by the Nazis by the fact they tried to stop it's transmission.
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It would also appear that the harsh camp conditions were desired, as they were systematically brought about.

Why?
 
kageki said:
I didn't think so.

I think an accusation of being deliberate is appropriate if there was not a food crisis, but there apparently was one.
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No. The text you linked to explains that
a) The Germans were well fed
b) The inmates were seriously starved
c) Just miles from Bergen-Belsen, there was a food depot that stored excess food that could have fed 60.000 inmates fpr at least 3 weeks, (and improved their lot for many more weeks, if spread a little thinner)
d) In the Generalgouvernemtant, starvation was an explicitly ordered policy (order by governor Frank)

There was no serious food crisis that would have forced anybody to mass-murder political prisoners and slaves.
 
kageki said:
It is explained that the disease was a consequence of the harsh camp conditions, but it would appear that the disease was still not desired by the Nazis by the fact they tried to stop it's transmission.
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Let me guess, you mean that ONE POSTER? RFLMAO.

Besides that one of those pictures is from Buchenwald, which another poster pointed out is fairly marginal to the Holocaust in the sense that it was an extermination of the Jews. That would mean that picture really has nothing to do about the Holocaust.
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Yeah, right. So unless EVERY CAMP had gas chambers and crematoria the whole thing is a sham? Or are you saying the Nasties didn't let people die in horrid conditions?
 
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