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Holocaust deniers, explain this.

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Gawdzilla Sama

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I'm not a holocaust denier, I've never really been able to understand how people would fail to believe it with all the pictures taken
 
I'm not a holocaust denier, I've never really been able to understand how people would fail to believe it with all the pictures taken

For some it's not a failure to believe, I think, it's a refusal to believe. They don't care what evidence is present, "it never happened!"

For others it's a matter of following their great teacher, who preached that if you tell a lie long enough, loud enough, some people will always believe it's true.

If the neo-Nasties aren't too cowardly to come in here you'll see the usual yeah-but stuff going on. "Yeah, but the 'official' version says the oven doors were 18.6 cm2 while the pictures clearly show they were 18.5 cm2, so we can see that they have been fabricating that evidence."
 
Looks like one of the tour buses to the holiday inn and spa where 6 million Jews were attended to by hordes of beautiful Aryan nurses and massage therapists had an unfortunate accident.
 
For some it's not a failure to believe, I think, it's a refusal to believe. They don't care what evidence is present, "it never happened!"

For others it's a matter of following their great teacher, who preached that if you tell a lie long enough, loud enough, some people will always believe it's true.

With most of the Holocaust deniers, it boils down to "The Holocaust didn't happen but the Jews deserved it!", never mind the inherent contradiction in that.
 
does 3 or 6 million make a difference?

Does it for you?
assume you believe 3 million. turns out it was only 1 million, does that make the Nazis and their ideology 3 times better for you?
 
does 3 or 6 million make a difference?

It does when the Holocaust death toll was actually 10 million+.

Jews were just the largest group of Holocaust victims. Other targeted groups included the Romani, Slavs, disabled persons and political prisoners.

It's revealing how Holocaust deniers get fixated on just the jews as though proving/disproving the jewish casualties were all that mattered.
 
I hate to say it but with these photographs you shoot yourself in the foot in confronting deniers.

Deniers usually focus on intention, the 6 million figure and the gassing.
They will argue that you are mistaken. That these pictures don't prove the holocaust.
And they are right.

These photographs show horrors from Buchenwald. Which was not an extermination camp.
So these victims probably died of starvation and/or disease. Anyway, not by gassing.

The reason that these people died in that manner is usually blamed on the allied bombing of German infrastructure and factories.
 
These photographs show horrors from Buchenwald. Which was not an extermination camp.
So these victims probably died of starvation and/or disease. Anyway, not by gassing.

That's a good point. And, a devastating one. You see, these photographs are all that holohoax promoters have going for them.


You can watch the Oprah and Elie do Auschwitz TV special here .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slZMOkYJFO0


It takes them all of 50 seconds to get to these pictures. Here's the dialogue that accompanies the pictures ...

"That young boy, Elie Weisel, lived to bear witness to the evil of man.

That evil has a name, the Holocaust. A systematic mass murder meticulously planned and executed by Nazi Germany that brutally wiped millions of people off the face of the earth, more than six million of those human beings were Jewish."



See? The photos are the only 'evidence' they've got of systematic mass murder, meticulously planned and executed.
 
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That's a good point. And, a devastating one. You see, these photographs are all that holohoax promoters have going for them.


You can watch the Oprah and Elie do Auschwitz TV special here .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slZMOkYJFO0


It takes them all of 50 seconds to get to these pictures. Here's the dialogue that accompanies the pictures ...

"That young boy, Elie Weisel, lived to bear witness to the evil of man.

That evil has a name, the Holocaust. A systematic mass murder meticulously planned and executed by Nazi Germany that brutally wiped millions of people off the face of the earth, more than six million of those human beings were Jewish."



See? The photos are the only 'evidence' they've got of systematic mass murder, meticulously planned and executed.

Your ignorance is appalling.Why do you hate Jews?
 
That's a good point. And, a devastating one. You see, these photographs are all that holohoax promoters have going for them.

You can watch the Oprah and Elie do Auschwitz TV special here .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slZMOkYJFO0

It takes them all of 50 seconds to get to these pictures. Here's the dialogue that accompanies the pictures ...

"That young boy, Elie Weisel, lived to bear witness to the evil of man.

That evil has a name, the Holocaust. A systematic mass murder meticulously planned and executed by Nazi Germany that brutally wiped millions of people off the face of the earth, more than six million of those human beings were Jewish."


See? The photos are the only 'evidence' they've got of systematic mass murder, meticulously planned and executed.
Can you spot the fallacy yourself, Saggy?

Would Oprah bother her viewers with all technical evidence there is for the Holocaust? She works on emotion, and pictures of dead or emaciated bodies then works best. And if you want, there are plenty of documentaries that do go into depth. I lived in Germany in 1995, and as it was 50 years ago, public TV had another documentary virtually every other day. Or go visit the places themselves.

Go visit Dachau, the oldest concentration camp. The main building now houses the exhibition which tells the story of the camp, founded in March 1933. It starts out relatively innocent - there is even a letter of a Munich ADA complaining that the things going on in Dachau are not in accordance with the law. And detainees in 1933 would typically even get free in 3 to 6 months. However, over the years that changed and detainees would not get free, and bullying and torture intensified and diseases would break out. Can you manage to see the whole exhibition in one go? I didn't. Then go and see the barracks. Imagine the 20,000 detainees there were when the US army liberated Dachau, in those 20 barracks. They've been burned down because of the typhus epidemic, but go see one of the two that have been reconstructed. Don't let you fool by the IKEA-like freshness of the interior, but look at the redefinition of the notion "bunk bed". Go down the terrain, at the end to the left you'll find the gas chamber. Yes, I know it has been hardly used, if at all.

Go visit Mauthausen. I've been there. It's impressive. On approaching, you see the camp building that looks like a medival castle that says: you can't escape here. Visit the (modest) gas chamber there, and the exhibition. Go stand on the Appelplatz, and imagine there standing in modest clothes, in the cold, waiting until everybody is present and counted and the bullying guards will let you go. Then follow the path to the quarry. Along the path, you'll come across a place that was dubbed the "Flugplatz" (airport). Prisoners would, out of despair, there jump off the clieff in the ravine below. Others were pushed by the SS. Then go down the stairs, with its uneven steps, the endless stairs down into the quarry. Walk around there, and imagine what it was to toil there - not as a well-fed American, but as a political prisoner, or a Jew, or an American POW, and live on two watery bowls of cabbage soup a day, and be beaten by the guards who shout "Arbeiten Mensch!".

And listen to Theodorakis' Mauthausen cycle.

While you're at it, visit Lidice. A whole village destroyed by the Nazis as revenge for the killing of Reinhardt Heydrich. It still stands there as it was destroyed in 1942 - an eerie memento of a horrible regime - in the middle of a slightly hilly, grassy landscape, with bushes here and there, ruin after ruin of ordinary houses where once ordinary people lived.

And while you continue your journey to Auschwitz, think by yourself: would it really be inconceivable that a regime that inflicted these horrors on innocent victims, murder them by gas on an industrial scale? I haven't been personally to Auschwitz yet, so I can't comment on my personal impressions.

Go on that trip, Saggy, and all you other Holocaust deniers, and then come back and tell what you think then.

Oh, and here is a photo of Elie Wiesel when he was liberated in Buchenwald.
 
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