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Holocaust Denial.

skepticism said:
Nobel Laureate, Jewish Eli Weisel, has written that every Jew should reserve a hatred for Germans.

The real genocide, the real hatred is the Jewish treatment of Germans. Americans are like lap dogs eating up whatever fake Jewish stories are told, feeding the Jewish hatred. As Allan Dershowitz says, Jews don't forgive. Christian Germans do. Jews committed genocide against Germans. Germans didn't commit genocide against Jews. That's revisionist history. Americans prefer myths.
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Finklestein never doubted the fact of the attempted genocide, nor it's scale, his only argument is the legacy of the genocide. As he said, his own mother was a survivor, he knew only too well what happened to the Jews rounded up by the Nazi regime. If there are Jews who survived the genocide, who never forgive the Germans, you can't really blame them for doing so. As it is, I have read of Jews who surivived the camps who have forgiven the Germans, because they know that any group can suffer the mass insanity of WWII Germany. There are Australian survivors of Japanese POW camps who will never forgive the Japanese, either.
 
Dave1001 said:
If this is true "Germans were interned in North Dakota and Texas" it amounts to secret history. I'll google it.
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It's apparently true. Thanks for bringing this underpublicized (to put it mildly) information to our attention.
 
By the way, septicjism, I hope you realise that this board is full of NWO agents, shills and nasty jooos. I hope you aren't scared that somebody might come around and shut you up?

Oh yeah, that's not going to happen because:

1. we're the human beings in this situation; and

2. your ideas realy aren't important enough.
 
skepticism said:
And America erects monuments and holocaust studies, as if it cared. The Jewish holocaust is a diversion.
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You make a serious mistake in equating the US internment camps with the deliberate murder of millions of people. I care about the Holocaust (which involved more than Jews, as I hope you know), as I care about all acts of genocide. So, from what is the Holocaust a "diversion?"

If Roosevelt tricked an isolationist America into a world war, by not telling Kimmel and Short about the Japanese, think what George Bush gets away with in the Mideast.
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In addition to getting your facts wrong, (see these posts for starters: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1512674&postcount=225
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1512750&postcount=229
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1523672&postcount=385
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1507557&postcount=112 ),
you do not seem to understand the logical fallacies you make here. Ths site may help. http://web.cn.edu/kwheeler/fallacies_list.html

The lesson is the same. Roosevelt had to claim the military was negligent, that Kimmel and Short were derelict. Bush can't even explain why our military never responded when it was clear planes were off route and headed to the Twin Towers.
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You are wrong. NORAD responded immediately when alerted by the FAA of the possible hijackings. The most notice NORAD had was 9 minutes, not long enough for an interception. The FAA only informed NORAD about two of the hijacked planes after they crashed.

Leaders arrange an attack, so they can go to war. It seems to work, so they keep doing it.
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You haven't produced evidence to back your claims, and you have your facts completely wrong. Do your homework. You're embarrassing yourself.
 
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btw, what the hell is wrong with all these nutters using screennames that include "truth" and "skeptic" etc.
 
Bell said:
btw, what the hell is wrong with all these nutters using screennames that include "truth" and "skeptic" etc.
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Real truthseekers and skeptics never assume that they know the truth and are strong enough to question even their own skepticism. They also know that it is by your actions that you are judged, not by what you call yourself.

Isn't that right Binglybert?
 
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skepticism said:
Nobel Laureate, Jewish Eli Weisel, has written that every Jew should reserve a hatred for Germans.

The real genocide, the real hatred is the Jewish treatment of Germans. Americans are like lap dogs eating up whatever fake Jewish stories are told, feeding the Jewish hatred. As Allan Dershowitz says, Jews don't forgive. Christian Germans do. Jews committed genocide against Germans. Germans didn't commit genocide against Jews. That's revisionist history. Americans prefer myths.
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Oh, I missed this before.

Please seek professional mental health care, skepticism. Your hatred of Jews has blinded you to reality. You have a serious problem. Help is available. Please avail yourself of it.
 
Alt+F4 said:
I agree. It's kind of like debating if 2+2 really does equal 4.
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Really?

Can you point to any ethnical or religious group that potentially faces genocide (in the long run), should any other result for 2+2 ever become generally accepted?

You´re being far too kind to these people by considering them THAT harmless.
 
Chaos said:
Really?

Can you point to any ethnical or religious group that potentially faces genocide (in the long run), should any other result for 2+2 ever become generally accepted?

You´re being far too kind to these people by considering them THAT harmless.
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The point I'm trying to make is that the Holocaust is a FACT the same way that 2+2=4 is a FACT. Everyone would consider it ridiculous to debate if 2+2=4, I consider Holocaust denial just as ridiculous.
 
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Alt+F4 said:
The point I'm trying to make is that the Holocaust is a FACT the same way that 2+2=4 is a FACT. Everyone would consider it ridiculous to debate if 2+2=4, I consider Holocaust denial just as ridiculous.
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Sure. I got that. But my point is that they would be ridiculous only if they weren´t so dangerous.
 
maccy said:
Real truthseekers and skeptics never assume that they know the truth and are strong enough to question even their own skepticism. They also know that it is by your actions that you are judged, not by what you call yourself.

Isn't that right Binglybert?
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Anybody calling himself Binglybert has a serious problem with self critism IMHO... uhm, what we talking about again? :boxedin:
 
Bell said:
btw, what the hell is wrong with all these nutters using screennames that include "truth" and "skeptic" etc.
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My hypothesis is that they're trying to be clever. They think if they call themselves "Skeptic2TehMax4321", we just won't notice that they're spewing bile.

And yes, it is just as patheticly sad as it sounds.

At least when a kitten thinks it can take on the big cat, he's being cute.......


 
Chaos said:
Sure. I got that. But my point is that they would be ridiculous only if they weren´t so dangerous.
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And they become more dangerous because people allow the Holocaust to be debated under their misconception of the 1st Amendment.
 
Just like to point out, Weisel was in Buchenwald and only passed through Auschwitz. Please actually read Night like I have done before making more mistakes about its content.

Also, his father was unable to to follow the Germans out of the camp (I doubt he would have since the Jews had actually managed to over take the last of the guards as the evacuation ended) because he had died weeks before the americans, not Russians, arrived
 
skepticism said:
Nobel Laureate, Jewish Eli Weisel, has written that every Jew should reserve a hatred for Germans.

The real genocide, the real hatred is the Jewish treatment of Germans. Americans are like lap dogs eating up whatever fake Jewish stories are told, feeding the Jewish hatred. As Allan Dershowitz says, Jews don't forgive. Christian Germans do. Jews committed genocide against Germans. Germans didn't commit genocide against Jews. That's revisionist history. Americans prefer myths.
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Quite possibly the stupidest post I have ever seen on this forum and that includes the nutty CTs. I have avoided this thread because I am a touch tired of pointing out the shortcomings of the denier's case, but your post was one of those rare bits that is too foolish to ignore.

I wish I could nominate him, shouldn't we have a version of the Razzies here? This guy really deserves to sweep the awards.
 
I have discussed endlessly with various nutcases over the years, as have many others on this board, and I have noticed the clear similarities in the argumentation of for example creationists or 9-11 deniers and holocaust revisionists.

The reason I still restrain from comparing creationists and 9-11 deniers to holocaust revisionists is that from my experience practically everybody who denies the holocaust is a nazi. It is an ideologically driven conspiracy theory.

Other cranks, for example 9-11 denialists, have other motivations, typically a very strong distrust in government. Creationists, of course, have strong religious motivations. So the mechanisms have some similarities, but the other nuts are simply being mislead by strong convictions that are also shared by quite reasonable people (ie. government distrust and religiousity). Nazism has no such redeeming qualities.

In the case of 9-11 denialism, there is a strong core of holocaust deniers in the movement, but I still believe most 'troofers' are as disgusted by them as any other decent person. The quackery is similar. The motivation is different.

'Normal' conspiracy theories are nutty and a violation of rational thought, but not necessarily morally repugnant. Holocaust revisionism is.
 
if the holocaust is a hoax...where are all the missing jews? every elderly jew from europe can name their family members that were shipped off and never returned. many were in the camps themseles. are they all liars? are the jews a nation of liars?

too many jews, poles, and others witnessed the crimes first hand for it to be a hoax. did the jews and poles get together one night in 1938 and say "ok folks..were gonna tell the world that imaginary relatives were killed by the nazis." give me a break.

holocaust denial is in itself, an anti-semitic belief. it accuses the jewish people of lieing to the world about a non-existant genocide, inorder to garner support for israel.
 
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