Hitting A Woman?

So ... Bill .... come up with a list of martyrs for this cause, while you were gone from the thread?


...or ... is it now your contention that they deserve it for staying .... or for fighting back in order to survive?

Let me be clearer.

The problem as I see it is that abused people stay with the abuser because they feel they have to or that they think they have no other choice and then the abuse gets worse over time and then there is a fatality.

Is it OK to hit a woman? No, it is not. it is better to leave. If you need to hit back if she is hitting you then you should have left long ago and you should have left before her hitting got out of control.
 
Bill,

You are way out of touch with reality on this one, so the best you can do is acknowledge this.
 
Yup.
As matter of fact I hadn't even been following the thread, so I didn't even know Slingblade had an experience, let alone that it had been discussed in this thread.

Again, I repeat: We must know the difference between joking about a topic and making fun of a specific individual's tragedy. Otherwise, silly, unnecessary fights start occurring.

So Sling, once again: I wasn't even aware you had a situation and it was being discussed. I'm just making a silly joke about the subject in general.
Don't take it personal, mate.

Hmmm.

I barged into this thread with a bad joke, without having read any of the posts. Reading it back, it looked seriously out of place amid this discussion with people talking about their personal experiences with domestic violence. No offence intended of course.
 
A question for those with personal experience with domestic violence. Did you keep in contact with your abuser after the relationship ended?

I ask this because a good friend of mine was abused during a previous relationship. She later introduced me to the guy. I was a bit shocked.
They had one incident during their relationship where he ended up dragging her down the street by her hair. He would regularly get out of control and use violence against her. WTF?!

Is it possible to normalise your relationship after something like that?
 
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A question for those with personal experience with domestic violence. Did you keep in contact with your abuser after the relationship ended?

I can only speak for myself, and I did. I had to enable my daughter to maintain the relationship she wanted with him at the time (being unaware of the violence). It cost me, in various ways, but the relationship I have with my daughter now confirms for me that it was worth it. I supported her fully when she also realised that she did not want him in her life any more either.

The woman he lived with after me ... she moved out secretly when he was away visiting family. She has just contacted me asking for help. She has apparently tried to keep him out of her and their sons' lives, and is really struggling with the aftermath of such an abusive relationship. While this information really helps me understand better that the problem in my relationship was not solely my fault, as he liked to convince me, I feel terrible that I was unable to prevent him doing the same to her.
 
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Is it possible to normalise your relationship after something like that?
I couldn't. I was terrified to be left alone with him - particularly after one incident I've described above. We met again at a family wedding, and I was calm and civil, but he was quite mean. I felt there'd been enough distance established in the intervening years, and there were enough people around to keep me safe, but I couldn't relax, and would never ever trust him again.

I would not have had him visit as a friend, or introduced him to anyone else in my life, or ever done anything other than be civil to him in any chanced or forced (family) meeting.
 
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A question for those with personal experience with domestic violence. Did you keep in contact with your abuser after the relationship ended?
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I can only speak for myself, and I did. I had to enable my daughter to maintain the relationship she wanted with him at the time (being unaware of the violence). It cost me, in various ways, but the relationship I have with my daughter now confirms for me that it was worth it.

I can only speak for myself, and I did. I had to maintain a relationship with my daughter...which meant my ex-wife being awarded another 14 years of opportunity to **** with me and my life and my daughter by the Family Courts - longer than I'd put up with her sporadic and escalating incidents of violence and other forms of control while I was married to her. Damn those misogynistic judges...
 
A question for those with personal experience with domestic violence. Did you keep in contact with your abuser after the relationship ended?

I've had to, to an extent, because of our children. I was the sole target of his violent behavior. He couldn't even bring himself to spank them for disciplinary reasons, though he threated it constantly. He never laid a hand on them. Just me. In fact, of all his relationships that I know about, I was the only one he ever hit. It makes me feel as if I must have deserved it or asked for it.

I ask this because a good friend of mine was abused during a previous relationship. She later introduced me to the guy. I was a bit shocked.
They had one incident during their relationship where he ended up dragging her down the street by her hair. He would regularly get out of control and use violence against her. WTF?!

Is it possible to normalise your relationship after something like that?

No, there's nothing normal about our relationship.

His current wife refuses to allow him to talk to me. I used to think that was simply his excuse; that he foisted the blame onto her to get out of having to speak to me. My kids tell me no, she is adamant that he never talk to me. She's very insecure and they tell me she's afraid we'll have an affair. She's afraid he'll sleep with every woman he meets...because he did so when we were married, and the kids told her so.

I attended my son's wedding, which my ex also attended. I embarrassed my children because I couldn't quit crying and shaking when my ex was in the room. I tried very hard to keep it under control, and tried to play it off as a happy mother weeping at her son's wedding kind of thing, but everyone knew I was in total panic at his mere proximity. I'm still ashamed of that, because I shamed my kids.

It was a little better at our granddaughter's first birthday party. I didn't feel at all comfortable with him there, but I wasn't crying and shaking. I think it might have been because my husband was there with me--he hadn't been at the wedding. I was alone, that time.

At the party, the adults who smoked had to go outside. At one point, my ex's adopted son, 2 years old, was playing near a wading pool that still had some water in it. I was outside having a cig at the time, noticed this, and kept him occupied with play until someone could come get him, for fear he might get hurt. I heard my ex call to his wife, with a tone that sounded pleased: "Honey, come look at this! Isn't that sweet?" I don't know if she thought it was nice or not.

My son and I were talking the other night, and he asked me about the violence. I told him what we've said here: that his dad would back me into a corner, getting right in my face, screaming, spitting, refusing to let me move, and if I put my hands on him to move him back so I could get away, he'd smack me hard, claiming I started it because I touched him first.

My son says he still does that, to him, but he's never hit my son. He just backs people into corners when he's enraged. My son says if his dad ever touches him, he'll beat the crap out of him, without hesitation.

I wanted to ask, "So why do you guys keep telling me Dad's changed?" but I didn't. We were finally talking about what happened, and I didn't want to end it by being a smart-ass.
 
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Yup.
As matter of fact I hadn't even been following the thread, so I didn't even know Slingblade had an experience, let alone that it had been discussed in this thread.

Again, I repeat: We must know the difference between joking about a topic and making fun of a specific individual's tragedy. Otherwise, silly, unnecessary fights start occurring.

So Sling, once again: I wasn't even aware you had a situation and it was being discussed. I'm just making a silly joke about the subject in general.
Don't take it personal, mate.

I appreciate what you say, Ron. Thank you for it.

But I'm afraid that being abused like this can cause fundamental changes in how a person sees everything. I don't expect anyone to agree or understand, and I'm aware it could be just my reaction. But I'm overly sensitive and overly protective of myself, and will be until I die. I have to be, don't you see?
 
If I hit you, it's not your fault for straying into my range.

Agreed, but I'd make an exception (with taking this out of the context of domestic violence, though); for instance, if the hitter's name is Buzz Aldrin and the hittee's name is Bart Sibrel. Now that's perfectly justified hitting. :D
 
Agreed, but I'd make an exception (with taking this out of the context of domestic violence, though); for instance, if the hitter's name is Buzz Aldrin and the hittee's name is Bart Sibrel. Now that's perfectly justified hitting. :D
Oh yes, it's totally okay when the person being hit is a complete whackjob. :rolleyes:
 
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My history is one of the main reasons I'm atheist now.

The reasons, Bill, that I stayed so long with my abusive husband are complicated and numerous. One of the major ones was my religious upbringing. I was taught that it was wrong to divorce. I knew there was an exception, for adultery, but I didn't have any proof of it beyond my suspicions for many years. As a deluded little Fundie, I stayed with my abuser for over a decade because I thought all the usual things one expects a Fundie to think: that if I prayed and had faith, God would change him; that this was a test from God, and I could pass it if I had faith in God to change my husband; that I'd be sinning and breaking my vows to leave...all that claptrap. And I had plenty of people in the churches I attended telling me I had to stay with him, as a submissive and good Christian wife.

There were other reasons, Bill, mostly psychological and practical ones...having nowhere to go, no way to support myself (and by the way, I've lived in poverty ever since I left him, so that wasn't an idle fear, thanks) or my kids, and not wanting to take them from their dad, since I grew up with an absent, disinterested father, myself, and it messed me up good.

Everyone's story is different, and I know that unless you've been through it, it's hard to understand. But do try. Or don't, I don't give a crap how narrow-minded and obstinate a person freely chooses to be. Not my problem.
 
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Oh yes, it's totally okay when the person being hit is a complete whackjob. :rolleyes:

Oh, right, go ahead and purposefully misinterpret what I say, will you? In case you were unaware, not only did Sibrel not suffer any significant injury, Sibrel constantly harassed Aldrin, got in his face screaming insults, and even initiated the physical contact. Aldrin was not charged with anything. So yeah, all that makes it certainly okay to punch the idiot.
 
The reasons, Bill, that I stayed so long with my abusive husband are complicated and numerous. One of the major ones was my religious upbringing. I was taught that it was wrong to divorce. I knew there was an exception, for adultery, but I didn't have any proof of it beyond my suspicions for many years. As a deluded little Fundie, I stayed with my abuser for over a decade because I thought all the usual things one expects a Fundie to think: that if I prayed and had faith, God would change him; that this was a test from God, and I could pass it if I had faith in God to change my husband; that I'd be sinning and breaking my vows to leave...all that claptrap. And I had plenty of people in the churches I attended telling me I had to stay with him, as a submissive and good Christian wife.

And people say Dawkins exaggerates when he says religion causes mental abuse. A sick, poisonous ideology like that might not cause suffering in everyone (had you been lucky enough to be with a kind and decent man, for example), but that's what makes it so insidious. :(
 

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