Tassman
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You do realise that this is putting the cart before the horse and is quite circular? You are saying that you believe the mythical Jesus origin story contains the date of the existence of the real Jesus?
What I’m saying is that the Jesus religion began around the time when the real Jesus is supposed to have lived. Before this period there was NO Jesus religion. Why did such a religion begin and evolve at this time is the question. I suggest the most likely explanation is that a real figure was the catalyst at its core. And that the mythical stories coalesced around this figure as the Jesus story grew in the telling.
Why should that part be correct if all the rest isn't? Plus of course that date is in fact a speculation in itself - it is not contained in or rather is not consistent in the mythical Jesus's stories.
Roger mentioned above about ignoring the "mundane" in the stories of the mythical Jesus, problem is that when you remove the supernatural from the mythical Jesus the mundane bits we are left with are either unevidenced or now known to be historically inaccurate or just completely wrong and made up.
The mythicists claim that Jesus was a celestial being concretized by Paul and the gospels. There is just as little evidence for this hypothesis as there is for a miracle-working Jesus walking around Jerusalem 2,000 years ago. But there is plenty of evidence for the relatively sudden beginning of the X’tian religion as such.
And it is reasonable to assert that the religion we now call Christianity arose like many other religions (that we have pretty much accurate records and accounts to look at).
This always gets back to one thing - lack of evidence for a real Jesus, a shedload of evidence for a mythical Jesus.
Once again, the “shed-load of evidence” for the existence of an historical figure is the existence of the X’tian religion itself. Unlike the pagan religions - whose origins can be traced to the remotest eras (and themselves evolved out of Animism), this can’t be said of X’tianity.