Hillary Clinton is Done: part 4

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uke2se said:
He said the emails found might be pertinent to the Clinton email investigation. That means they hadn't really looked yet.

So, yes, there is serious doubt.
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He said they "appear to be pertinent," which is stronger than "might." Why he would go with that stronger wording I don't know.
 
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Minoosh said:
He said they "appear to be pertinent," which is stronger than "might." Why he would go with that stronger wording I don't know.
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Any cache of Huma's emails would be pertinent to their investigation. Even if it turned out to be all emails previously disclosed or all personal emails (not something I'm asserting).

Therefore, I don't think there is a difference between "might" and "appear to be pertinent" in that situation.

The fact is without a warrant they were unlikely to have read any of the emails or their metadata beyond realizing that they belonged to Huma and not Anthony.
 
Argumemnon said:
The funny thing about Hillary is this: my gut reaction to her is that she doesn't have a lot of charisma, doesn't inspire trust or confidence from me, and appears to be the typical establishment politician, one with apparent ties to Wall Street.

But with all the brouhaha the Republicans have stirred up about her, and the consistent finding that there's no fire to the smoke, those fools have actually managed to turn me around in her favour. Aside for the possible connections to Wall Street, she appears straighter than most!
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I suspect there are others who agree with you and this will stimulate Democratic turnout.

In my state there are ads on craigslist from someone offering $16 an hour to canvas Republicans and impress on them the importance of voting. I haven't seen any similar from Democrats. I hope they're already doing it.

It's kind of mind-blowing to me that there are "likely voters" uninformed enough, or fickle enough, to tip to Trump just on the basis of this development. There's no there, there. Even if there are never-before-seen emails, it's still underwhelming. There is literally nothing to indicate that either candidate is any different than they were before Comey's letter. Hillary is by far the more conservative candidate.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Any cache of Huma's emails would be pertinent to their investigation. Even if it turned out to be all emails previously disclosed or all personal emails (not something I'm asserting).

Therefore, I don't think there is a difference between "might" and "appear to be pertinent" in that situation.

The fact is without a warrant they were unlikely to have read any of the emails or their metadata beyond realizing that they belonged to Huma and not Anthony.
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I agree with Minoosh : "appear" is an odd word to use about something you've had no sight of. It doesn't appear to be anything other than a file on a computer.
 
Dr. Keith said:
Therefore, I don't think there is a difference between "might" and "appear to be pertinent" in that situation.
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I know that you're right in a legal sense, but he should have used "might." Saying they "appear to be pertinent" has a connotation of more detailed knowledge than Comey had at the time, at least to my ear; it implies knowledge beyond the fact that Weiner's computer had Huma's emails on it. You have to look at something before it can "appear" to be anything at all. I'm in the minority here in believing Comey was acting in good faith. Obama signaled clearly that he trusts Comey's sincerity in this matter.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
W.D.Clinger said:
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Opinions expressed here may not be my own.


Although Comey has been extremely careless in his handling of very sensitive information, and potentially in violation of the Hatch Act, my judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. All such cases that have been prosecuted successfully involved clearly intentional and willful violation of law or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.
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One problem, that's not how the Hatch Act works.

Penalties.
Removal is the only penalty authorized for violation of the Hatch Act, under 5 U.S.C.S. § 1505. The Merit System Protection Board (MSPB) has plenary jurisdiction under § 1505 to determine after a hearing whether the violation warrants the removal of the officer or employee from his office or employment.
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IOW, you are not prosecuted for a crime, your superiors decide whether or not to fire you.
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All the more reason why no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case!

(Dave Rogers was way too subtle for this audience.)
 
newyorkguy said:
Other countries are laughing at us over this. They say, 'This is the head of their federal bureau of investigation? Are you serious?' That's what they're saying folks. So let's face it, this disgusting criminality has to be stopped, it has to be stopped right now and Comey has to go to prison. He has to go.
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Other countries know who Hillary is, who Trump is.

The head of the FBI - neither know or care.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
Hillary made a point there was no evidence that her email server had been hacked, so her "extreme carelessness" or negligence had not been shown to have had any negative effect of National Security. Comey's statement echoed that.

If it turns out that classified documents ended up on Weiner's computer, and that computer showed signs of being hacked, that would surely change some minds as to the seriousness of Hillary's carelessness.

Would it not?
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Hillary is not responsible for the security of every device used by every person on the other end of every email she ever sent or received.
 
So, my wife and I have a bet on this election. Dinner out is at stake. I was in danger of losing, but this FBI business is putting it back in my favor.

She is upset, so cynically has Trump to win. Believing it to be the worst thing to befall the western world, she seems resigned to his presidency.

I have: Hillary will win ugly. It may be close, or contested, or devoid of mandate, but she will win.

For a while, it looked like she might win a landslide. Somehow, if we're both wrong, I still pay for dinner! Now, it's back to winning ugly. It was said up thread that it will be unnecessarily close. Too true!
 
Jimbo07 said:
I have: Hillary will win ugly. It may be close, or contested, or devoid of mandate, but she will win.
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Either here or in another thread I opined that for me, that would be the best possible outcome.

No Trump in the White House, but no gloating from Hillary about a landslide or some imagined mandate.

I was told, "No way", and did not disagree.

Let's see...
 
Small sample size but: New survey of Florida Early Voters: Hillary leads 48%-40%.
As just reported on The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell, Secretary Clinton has an 8-point lead over Donald Trump in an exit poll of people who have already voted in Florida. Most shocking, she has garnered votes from a whopping 28 (!) percent of registered Republican early voters. That is stunning. Obviously, a lot can happen between now and Election Day, but this is OUTSTANDING news. The full poll will be released tomorrow.
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Trump supporters keep saying there's a hidden vote for Trump out there not showing up in the polls because people don't want to admit they support Trump to the pollsters. I've been of the mind to believe it is the other way around. There is a hidden GOP vote for Clinton. Republicans don't want to tell anyone they are voting for Clinton but there are many intelligent level headed Republicans that are not fooled by Trump and they know what a disaster he would be as POTUS.
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
Either here or in another thread I opined that for me, that would be the best possible outcome.

No Trump in the White House, but no gloating from Hillary about a landslide or some imagined mandate.

I was told, "No way", and did not disagree.

Let's see...
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Losing the popular vote and winning Florida by 5-4 didn't stop GWB from claiming a "mandate".
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Small sample size but: New survey of Florida Early Voters: Hillary leads 48%-40%.

Trump supporters keep saying there's a hidden vote for Trump out there not showing up in the polls because people don't want to admit they support Trump to the pollsters. I've been of the mind to believe it is the other way around. There is a hidden GOP vote for Clinton. Republicans don't want to tell anyone they are voting for Clinton but there are many intelligent level headed Republicans that are not fooled by Trump and they know what a disaster he would be as POTUS.
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:rolleyes:
 
Noztradamus said:
Other countries know who Hillary is, who Trump is.

The head of the FBI - neither know or care.
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There's quite a lot of talk about it in Sweden FYI. We know who the head of the FBI is, and there's lots of talk about how the head of a supposedly non-partisan agency as the FBI could come out in such a partisan way.

The rest of the world is looking at the US. Many of us in sheer terror.
 
varwoche said:
The FBI just dumped documents pertaining to Bill Clinton pardons!?! WTF
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The FBI's corrupt partisanship is clear to all.

It will be futile, however. Trump will never win the states he needs to win. I'll be celebrating in Hawaii next week.
 
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