Hillary Clinton is Done: part 4

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Where is there even the suggestion Weiner's computer had been hacked?

BTW, none of this would be on Clinton's shoulders, it would be on Huma's.
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That Noise you just heard was the Clinton campaign bus running over Huma Abedin.

By the way, has not been traveling with the Campaign the last couple of days.

Huh, makes ya think....
 
Argumemnon said:
The funny thing about Hillary is this: my gut reaction to her is that she doesn't have a lot of charisma, doesn't inspire trust or confidence from me, and appears to be the typical establishment politician, one with apparent ties to Wall Street.

But with all the brouhaha the Republicans have stirred up about her, and the consistent finding that there's no fire to the smoke, those fools have actually managed to turn me around in her favour. Aside for the possible connections to Wall Street, she appears straighter than most!
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But you, being a Canadian, cannot vote, so you don't count. And nor do I. But it's a very good point, and I wonder how many Americans have the same reaction. Seeing the unpopularity polls, I'm afraid not many.
 
Argumemnon said:
The funny thing about Hillary is this: my gut reaction to her is that she doesn't have a lot of charisma, doesn't inspire trust or confidence from me, and appears to be the typical establishment politician, one with apparent ties to Wall Street.

But with all the brouhaha the Republicans have stirred up about her, and the consistent finding that there's no fire to the smoke, those fools have actually managed to turn me around in her favour. Aside for the possible connections to Wall Street, she appears straighter than most!
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I would definitely agree she isn't loaded with charisma. I however trust he very much. I doubt anyone has ever been investigated for as long and as thoroughly and so little dirt has been discovered. The BenGazzi hearings and travelgate investigations were a joke. I can't and won't blame him her for Bill's wandering dick.

She isn't as liberal as I like. I can't stand that she was on the Board of Directors for Walmart. I really wish Joe Biden was running. But she is better than any Republican who's policy is the same as it has been for my entire life. Give to the rich and sodomize the rest of us.

Trump has said a few things I agree with. But is beyond untrustworthy as every other word out of his mouth is a lie. He cheats on his business partners, his vendors, his creditors, his customers, at golf, his taxes and on his wives. The man is loyal only to himself. He says "believe me" all the time. I keep thinking, why oh why would we do that Mr Trump?
His tax proposals are a joke and benefit the rich at the expense of the middle class and poor.
His understanding of our government and core democratic principles is non-existent. His knowledge of the military and foreign policy is not only pathetic and dangerous.

Hillary doesn't inspire me. But I really can't think of a politician who has other than JFK and frankly he didn't accomplish much.
 
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The Big Dog said:
That Noise you just heard was the Clinton campaign bus running over Huma Abedin.

By the way, has not been traveling with the Campaign the last couple of days.

Huh, makes ya think....
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You even find something to whine about this? What is wrong with this action?
 
acbytesla said:
I can't and won't blame him her for Bill's wandering dick.
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Nor would I. Guilt by association is stupid, but in that specific case it's lunacy.

I really wish Joe Biden was running.
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So do I. He's a fun character on TV, is more charismatic, also has a lot of experience, and none of the political (made-up) baggage.

Trump has said a few things I agree with. But is beyond untrustworthy as every other word out of his mouth is a lie.
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71% is more than just "every other word". It's an insane proportion. No one lies that much. Not even Glenn Beck or fat Limbaugh. Hell, Stalin was probably a straighter arrow.

He cheats on his business partners, his vendors, his creditors, his customers, at golf, his taxes and on his wives. The man is loyal only to himself. Why oh why would we do that Mr Trump?
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It's insane. I know there's no competency test to run for office, but at least without the stupid primaries, the GOP would never have nominated him.

His tax proposals are a joke and benefit the rich at the expense of the middle class and poor.
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And yet he's touted as a champion of the everyman!

His understanding of our government and core democratic principles is non-existent.
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That's too charitable. They're a negative.
 
W.D.Clinger said:
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. Opinions expressed here may not be my own.


Although Comey has been extremely careless in his handling of very sensitive information, and potentially in violation of the Hatch Act, my judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. All such cases that have been prosecuted successfully involved clearly intentional and willful violation of law or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.
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One problem, that's not how the Hatch Act works.

Penalties.
Removal is the only penalty authorized for violation of the Hatch Act, under 5 U.S.C.S. § 1505. The Merit System Protection Board (MSPB) has plenary jurisdiction under § 1505 to determine after a hearing whether the violation warrants the removal of the officer or employee from his office or employment.
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IOW, you are not prosecuted for a crime, your superiors decide whether or not to fire you.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
..."every violation of a statute is not a criminal violation."
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I guess this is getting a bit too technical for me.

As a road officer, we were taught to either know or know where to find the elements different crimes under Florida law. If we had the elements of a crime, we went ahead and charged the subject with a criminal violation. We later went to a "Pre-file conference" with an Assistant State Attorney to determine if the State felt they had sufficient evidence to proceed with a criminal prosecution. Sometimes, though we had a good arrest with all the elements documented, they would choose not to prosecute. So be it. It never occurred to me that if and when they chose not to prosecute, their actions automatically got renamed to a "violation of statute". In our stats we had a misdemeanor or felony arrest as the case may be, regardless.

But I guess I could buy that under some definition, Hillary may have violated statutes without having committed a criminal violation. If the best defense is that she broke the law but it wasn't technically a criminal violation, then so be it.

It would make a inspirational bumper sticker: "HILLARY! Violated Statutes But Not Criminal Violations"! Or "HILLARY! Broke The Law But Not A Criminal"!That should fire up the troops!
 
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Stacko said:
Until it's clarified when Chaffetz was informed, the intent is murky. He might not have been acting as a partisan hack and just doing this out of self interest. The FBI has a long history of directors putting preserving their own reputation ahead of all other tasks. This wouldn't be the first time a director attempted to protect their own reputation at the expense of the agency.
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Daily KOS said the Chaffetz Tweet was before the letter got to anyone. Where is the evidence that is not correct?
 
A recent FAUX News interview with Peter Schweitzer about Marc Rich (died in 2013), scratching the tip of the iceberg (I forgot more about this guy than the average "skeptic" will ever know, so pardon my leasure catch up yourself):

 
Fast Eddie B said:
I guess this is getting a bit too technical for me.

As a road officer, we were taught to either know or know where to find the elements different crimes under Florida law. If we had the elements of a crime, we went ahead and charged the subject with a criminal violation. We later went to a "Pre-file conference" with an Assistant State Attorney to determine if the State felt they had sufficient evidence to proceed with a criminal prosecution. Sometimes, though we had a good arrest with all the elements documented, they would choose not to prosecute. So be it. It never occurred to me that if and when they chose not to prosecute, their actions automatically got renamed to a "violation of statute". In our stats we had a misdemeanor or felony arrest as the case may be, regardless.

But I guess I could buy that under some definition, Hillary may have violated statutes without having committed a criminal violation. If the best defense is that she broke the law but it wasn't technically a criminal violation, then so be it.

It would make a inspirational bumper sticker: "HILLARY! Violated Statutes But Not Criminal Violations"! Or "HILLARY! Broke The Law But Not A Criminal"!That should fire up the troops!
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You say yourself, "If we had the elements of a crime, we went ahead and charged the subject with a criminal violation."

That would be a limited set of criminal laws, would it it not, out of all kinds of not-criminal but no less official laws?

As I have said a dozen times now, there are thousands of workplace laws of which violations are rarely categorized as criminal.

How many people have been criminally prosecuted under the FOIA?

Under mishandling classified information, Comey addressed the cases that were prosecuted criminally and noted the things Clinton did were not the same. Workplace errors are rarely criminal even when they technically violate workplace statutes of which laws regulating handling of classified materials is such a statute.
 
Dave Rogers said:
..[O]ne would have to regard his actions as extremely careless (because the notification cannot have failed to have some result on polling) and potentially in violation of statute, namely the Hatch Act. Was his negligence simple or gross, or did he deliberately try to influence the election result?
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The FBI is incredibly corrupt and we all know it. Disgustingly corrupt. But even with the FBI we have never seen this level of criminality before that we're seeing from James Comey especially the past few days. People are saying, many many people, that this guy has been getting away with murder, that he's probably the worst, the most criminal, FBI director in history. And it is so disgusting. Forget about it.

Other countries are laughing at us over this. They say, 'This is the head of their federal bureau of investigation? Are you serious?' That's what they're saying folks. So let's face it, this disgusting criminality has to be stopped, it has to be stopped right now and Comey has to go to prison. He has to go.
 
newyorkguy said:
The FBI is incredibly corrupt and we all know it. Disgustingly corrupt. But even with the FBI we have never seen this level of criminality before that we're seeing from James Comey especially the past few days. People are saying, many many people, that this guy has been getting away with murder, that he's probably the worst, the most criminal, FBI director in history. And it is so disgusting. Forget about it.

Other countries are laughing at us over this. They say, 'This is the head of their federal bureau of investigation? Are you serious?' That's what they're saying folks. So let's face it, this disgusting criminality has to be stopped, it has to be stopped right now and Comey has to go to prison. He has to go.
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newyorkguy said:
The FBI is incredibly corrupt and we all know it. Disgustingly corrupt. But even with the FBI we have never seen this level of criminality before that we're seeing from James Comey especially the past few days. People are saying, many many people, that this guy has been getting away with murder, that he's probably the worst, the most criminal, FBI director in history. And it is so disgusting. Forget about it.

Other countries are laughing at us over this. They say, 'This is the head of their federal bureau of investigation? Are you serious?' That's what they're saying folks. So let's face it, this disgusting criminality has to be stopped, it has to be stopped right now and Comey has to go to prison. He has to go.
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That's worth a big one, some people are saying. Thanks for the outing.

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newyorkguy said:
The FBI is incredibly corrupt and we all know it. Disgustingly corrupt. But even with the FBI we have never seen this level of criminality before that we're seeing from James Comey especially the past few days. People are saying, many many people, that this guy has been getting away with murder, that he's probably the worst, the most criminal, FBI director in history. And it is so disgusting. Forget about it.

Other countries are laughing at us over this. They say, 'This is the head of their federal bureau of investigation? Are you serious?' That's what they're saying folks. So let's face it, this disgusting criminality has to be stopped, it has to be stopped right now and Comey has to go to prison. He has to go.
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And when I'm president, I will instruct SCOTUS to investigate all his crimes!

:D :D

Of course, we in other countries know well that the FBI was founded by someone who collected all kinds of dirt on many politicians, preferably the president, with a special obsession what they did in their bedrooms. Comey's obsession with Hillary's emails and Weiner's dick picks really stands in the best traditions of J. Edgar Hoover.
 
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