Hillary Clinton is Done: part 4

[TheL8Elvis]

Picking at a scab here, but it was proffered that none of the 30,000 emails that were stored and then deleted in a manner so as to make them irretrievable contained anything other than personal matters.

How many here accept that, given that there is no longer any way to “determine the truth”?

Many emails were recovered:

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation...-personal-emails-from-hillary-clinton-server/

https://www.recode.net/2016/7/5/12097356/fbi-director-no-charges-hillary-clinton-email-server

Some of them were deemed work related.

At the end of the day, after all them kerfuffle ...

Where's the smoking gun ? I know it's an argument from incredulity, but still ... every email has a sender and recipient. Where are all the damaging emails ?

ALSO ...

Where's the new, tougher rules and laws to prevent this ??

Where's the outrage over all the trumpkins using personal email, especially after having excoriated clinton ???

 

[Dr. Keith]

Not sure I get your point.

It would be valid if the emails showed up and there were only personal email contained therein. We could all rest easy and conclude that nothing nefarious was going on when the 30,000 were selected and deleted beyond recovery.

If a yoga studio has emails from Hillary discussing yoga appointments they aren't calling MSNB, Fox, or the FBI to let them know that they only need to look for 29,847 emails.

The fact that none of the 30,000 copies has been unearthed to date proves nothing.

Does it?

How do you know that none of the 30,000 have been found? You only know that none of the 30,000 that has turned up has been salacious enough to find its way to the news.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Still on about emails?

wow.

 

[Belz...]

Still on about emails?

wow.

Yeah, but it's totally her fault because, see, she didn't go away in a dark hole somewhere, far from sight.

 

[quadraginta]

Yeah, but it's totally her fault because, see, she didn't go away in a dark hole somewhere, far from sight.

Do you really think it would have made any difference if she had?

 

[Childlike Empress]

Bill and Hillary Clinton 'haven't been speaking for months after he tossed her hand-wringing election book in the TRASH'

Bill and Hillary Clinton are not speaking to each other after a blazing argument over her election book, it has been claimed.

The former President threw a manuscript in the trash after Hillary ignored his advice not to publish it, according to author Ed Klein.

Bill had red-penned the book in an attempt to improve it, a friend allegedly told Klein, but flew into a rage when Hillary refused to read any of his notes.

According to Page Six, the friend said: 'He told her the book made her look bewildered, angry and confused, and that those were poor qualities in a person who aspired to be a world leader.

'He hated the title because calling it "What Happened" would only make people say, "You lost."

'He urged her to postpone the pub date and rewrite the book, but she yelled at him and said: "The book is finished and that’s how it’s going to be published".' [...]

 

[barehl]

I disagree.

If there was nothing incriminating in those 30,000 emails, why not cull them and archive them?

This was done all the time during George W. Bush's two terms. This has been admitted to specifically by Colin Powell. How is your argument not special pleading?

 

[barehl]

Bill and Hillary Clinton 'haven't been speaking for months after he tossed her hand-wringing election book in the TRASH'

Absolutely, just like

Hillary Clinton threw a lamp (or a book) at her husband in a fit of anger.

And they're getting divorced.

And she was offered a plea deal.

 

[Childlike Empress]

Absolutely, just like

Hillary Clinton threw a lamp (or a book) at her husband in a fit of anger.

And they're getting divorced.

And she was offered a plea deal.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

This was done all the time during George W. Bush's two terms. This has been admitted to specifically by Colin Powell. How is your argument not special pleading?

I don’t think Special Pleading applies here.

At best, you could accuse me of hypocrisy.

“But they did it, too!” does have a fallacious ring to it.

Anyone?

 

[Fast Eddie B]

To defend myself from the hypocrisy charge...

We’re Bush’s emails stored on a government server? And in that case, were emails deleted via proper review by government officials?

Serious questions, because I just don’t know.

In any case, I think the differentiator might be Hillary using a private server and using private attorneys to decide which were worthy of destruction.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Allow me to pull back a bit for perspective.

First, I have no doubt Hillary would have made a better president than Trump.

Second, watching "The Choice" on PBS, I was struck by how idealistic she was as a young woman. She was the type I would have gone to see speak as a college student. I believe that at her core she probably has vestiges of that idealism, and I would have liked to see her battle for her principles in what would have been a very difficult fight against a republican house and senate. In short, I don't dislike her as a person.

But...

In my opinion she fell under the sway of Bill Clinton, and ended up adopting many of his traits - traits I find distasteful whatever their source.

Certainly, one can look at any individual case: her remarkable success trading cattle futures, the loss and then timely finding of the Rose Law Firm records, the Travelgate affair, her demeaning of women who her husband victimized, all put together and see a pattern of behavior that helped frame the email controversy as something other than naive mistakes on her part. A more complete listing of Hillary "scandals" these can be found here: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a...-from-travelgate-to-emailgate/article/2562906.

Obviously, viewed through a pro-Hillary lens, these are all easily explainable and are simply being exploited by "the right". I do try to take a default position of charity. For instance, the misremembering of the Bosnia arrival I will allow for the frailty of human memory.

But, as I said, even trying to be charitable I still see a pattern of behavior - of skirting right up to, and at times over, the line of propriety - and even legality - in the furtherance of the Clinton agenda, such as it is.

Anyway, no one is truly objective - including yours truly. But I try my darnedest to be. I've tried to view Hillary's political past as objectively as I can, and the above is just a summary of why I did not vote for her. I hope it helps explain the distaste a lot of people have for, if not her personally, at least her actions.

 

[Belz...]

Do you really think it would have made any difference if she had?

Oh, I suspect they would've found an excuse to pull her out of that hole.

 

[barehl]

And according to Fox News and Donald Trump himself, the Russia investigation has turned up nothing and Trump has been exonerated.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[barehl]

I don’t think Special Pleading applies here.

Special pleading is a form of fallacious argument that involves an attempt to cite something as an exception to a generally accepted rule, principle, etc. without justifying the exception.

 

[barehl]

We’re Bush’s emails stored on a government server?

No, they routinely used private email just as Trump's staff is doing now.

And in that case, were emails deleted via proper review by government officials?

No.

 

[barehl]

First, I have no doubt Hillary would have made a better president than Trump.

Or a trained monkey.

In short, I don't dislike her as a person.

Too bad I can't say that about Trump.

But, as I said, even trying to be charitable I still see a pattern of behavior - of skirting right up to, and at times over, the line of propriety - and even legality

Fortunately we don't have that problem with Trump; he doesn't recognize such a line and is still living well on the other side of it. But, that skirting...

 

[theprestige]

Fortunately we don't have that problem with Trump; he doesn't recognize such a line and is still living well on the other side of it. But, that skirting...

I'd rather have an amateur politician and small-time crook making what little hay he can for a few years on the other side of the line, than a professional establishment politician with the experience and the connections to keep her crookery under the radar or just this side of the line. Don't worry, though, Trump won't last forever, and we'll be back to business as usual soon enough.

 

[NoahFence]

I'd rather have an amateur politician and small-time crook making what little hay he can for a few years on the other side of the line, than a professional establishment politician with the experience and the connections to keep her crookery under the radar or just this side of the line. Don't worry, though, Trump won't last forever, and we'll be back to business as usual soon enough.

Small time crook?

Edited by Agatha: 

Edited to remove breach of rule 0 and rule 12

 

[The Big Dog]

I'd rather have an amateur politician and small-time crook making what little hay he can for a few years on the other side of the line, than a professional establishment politician with the experience and the connections to keep her crookery under the radar or just this side of the line. Don't worry, though, Trump won't last forever, and we'll be back to business as usual soon enough.

We always knew that Hillary was in it for the long con.