Hillary Clinton is Done: part 2

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Skeptic Ginger:

A) Since, as you say, Congress (including Senator Clinton) voted for the Iraq War because they were "bullied and lied to", why did Senator Sanders vote against it? Doesn't that suggest that he is the superior candidate, because he didn't cave to pressure?

B) Since you're willing to absolve the Democratic congress-people of any guilt for the Iraq War, because they were "bullied and lied to", would you still hold W. Bush accountable? After all, some claim that he was "lied to" as well.
 
Axiom_Blade said:
So you don't hold your representatives accountable for things that they vote on? My, that's awfully convenient.

Iraq War? "I was bullied and lied to."
PATRIOT Act? "I was bullied and lied to."
PATRIOT Act reauthorization? "I was bullied and lied to...again."
Trans-Pacific Partnership? "Bullied! Lied to!"
and so on.

(Incidentally, there are Republicans who think that the Iraq War wasn't Bush's fault, either, because he was lied to, as well! For some reason, I don't think you buy that one, though. What was that about double standards???)

Regardless, the stuff that I linked to is one of the big reasons why I don't support her. I will not vote for a hawk. Unlike the Democrats, my vote will not be swayed by bullies and liars.



I only control one vote: my vote. I won't vote for Republicans. If other people want to vote for Republicans, I can't stop them.
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But you can help Republicans win by voting for someone that has literally a zero percent chance.

Yes, let's vote for Jill Stein, someone who literally cannot win. Then the Republicans will win. Sure to help the progressive cause!
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I'm not going to argue the Iraq war in this thread. [/the end]
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:rolleyes:

The fact that Hillary's supporters claim that she was bamboozled by bush when so many people were not shows just how contemptible Hillary's "values" are.

But we are not going to argue Hillary's vote in the Hillary is dead thread.

Maybe we can argue it in one of the numerous anti-Bernie threads the Shillaries have started.
 
I'm not a Dick Cheney fan and Hillary's Iraq vote troubles me greatly. It was probably the most important vote of her Senate career and she screwed it up.

Her tenure as SoS isn't impressive either, and I assume she had some input in Obama's request for political support to bomb Syria for crossing "the red line". Maybe she advised him against saying that, or trying to rally the public to support bombing yet another Mideast country, but based on Hillary's support for bombing Libya, she probably agreed with Obama that Syria should be bombed. That was not Obama's finest hour.
 
Argumemnon said:
Let's not call each other stupid just yet.

How about the politico page comparing the candidates? Based on that she doesn't seem more dishonest than any other politician.
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Seriously? You quoted my entire paragraph except the final sentence?

What You Quoted:
After all this time and all the Hillary threads you've participated in, if you don't know precisely why people think Hillary is a liar, and the evidence they are using to base that opinion on, you are being either disingenuous or you are just stupid.
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What I wrote:
mgidm86 said:
After all this time and all the Hillary threads you've participated in, if you don't know precisely why people think Hillary is a liar, and the evidence they are using to base that opinion on, you are being either disingenuous or you are just stupid. I do not think you are stupid.
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How could you possibly miss that?

I also clearly said that I thought he was disingenuous in that post - also not quoted by you.

Which are you being here? That's really bad form.

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Argumemnon said:
Again, pay attention.

Again, PAY ATTENTION:
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mgidm86 said:
Seriously? You quoted my entire paragraph except the final sentence?
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Right. I'm sorry. You were calling the other poster a liar, instead. That is so much more respectful.

Could you now answer my question? You know, the one you cut out of my post while complaining that I cut out part of your post? :rolleyes:
 
Argumemnon said:
Right. I'm sorry. You were calling the other poster a liar, instead. That is so much more respectful.

Could you now answer my question? You know, the one you cut out of my post while complaining that I cut out part of your post? :rolleyes:
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No, he wasn't. He wrote that Travis was being disingenuous, a sentiment with which I wholeheartedly agree. Calling somebody out as being disingenuous is not even the same as calling him out as lying, let alone labeling him a liar. The examples of Hillary's dishonesty are legion, and I gave a link to a whole op-ed full of them earlier in the thread. There is also an entire thread devoted to Hillary's bald-faced lies regarding the email scandal. Virtually nothing she has claimed about her email scandal is true. And yet Travis keeps pretending like he hasn't seen any examples of Hillary's dishonesty.
 
Giz said:
Defending Travis against a charge of being disingenuous by being disingenuous yourself is... well, how do you think it's working out for you?
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First of all, I'm not defending anyone. I'm simply advocating for a more civil discussion.

Second, how am I being disingenuous?

Do you not see the irony of doing exactly what I'm asking you not to do?
 
Argumemnon said:
First of all, I'm not defending anyone. I'm simply advocating for a more civil discussion.

Second, how am I being disingenuous?

Do you not see the irony of doing exactly what I'm asking you not to do?
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Well, you're being disingenuous in claiming that mgimd86 was calling Travis a liar. Also, your sudden concern for maintaining higher standards for civility than we normal see around here strikes me as disingenuous.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Well, you're being disingenuous in claiming that mgimd86 was calling Travis a liar.
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You're being very liberal with the use of the word "disingenuous", then. I guess that makes you disingenuous as well. There's plenty of it to go around, it seems.

No, I'm not being dishonest. Ever. It's simply how I see his post.

Also, your sudden concern for maintaining higher standards for civility than we normal see around here strikes me as disingenuous.
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I'm sure it does, as you seem quite intent on seeing that.
 
Argumemnon said:
You're being very liberal with the use of the word "disingenuous", then. I guess that makes you disingenuous as well. There's plenty of it to go around, it seems.
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Well, you asked, and I answered. As usual, I'm going to decline to engage in a bickering match with you.

No, I'm not being dishonest. Ever. It's simply how I see his post.
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I'll make a mental note that you see being disingenuous as equivalent to lying. I predict that you won't find many native speakers of the English language who agree with you.
 
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