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Highly successful SF election manager fired for being white

arayder said:
If I was one of the county commissioners I'd look down the administrative ranks below this guy (where his eventual replacement is likely to come from) and if I didn't see diversity then I'd do something.
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Please elaborate on what you would do in the name of diversity.
 
arayder said:
He's 57. If he keeps healthy and stays focused these next few years could be some of his best on the job. I'd think the county would want to cherish those years.

Plus this is cruel. He's 57 and he gave then 20 years of service. He's probably not going to start a new career now.
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It can be very difficult to find a new position once past 55.
 
Stacyhs said:
It can be very difficult to find a new position once past 55.
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Not my experience, but whatever.

ETA I was selected for four good positions after 55, and despite retiring at 71 I have applied for another job I’m confident of securing.

There are skill shortages everywhere, and companies will employ people with skills regardless of age.
 
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smartcooky said:
Your problem is that you think diversity means racial balance.
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No, that is actually not MY problem.

If someone claims they would make changes to staff in the name of diversity, it is up to them to explain those changes.

smartcooky said:
ETA: For clarity, I am all for the idea that an electoral board should fairly reflect the demographics of the district/area it represents - but this emphatically IS NOT the way to go about achieving it!
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arayder said:
If I was one of the county commissioners I'd look down the administrative ranks below this guy (where his eventual replacement is likely to come from) and if I didn't see diversity then I'd do something.
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Brainster said:
The amount of hair-splitting here is quite revealing. Suddenly it's "well, they're doing it for racial equity, not because he's white." Amazing how many dogs around here who can hear racist dog-whistles in any Republican's speech suddenly have gone deaf.
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Its not hair-splitting if you understand what I'm saying (and I'd wager that most here do). Perhaps you need to step down off you high horse for a moment.

As I said in the post you responded to (which you, like your pal Warp12, completely ignore) "For clarity, I am all for the idea that an electoral board should fairly reflect the demographics of the district/area it represents - but this emphatically IS NOT the way to go about achieving it!"

The correct way to achieve workplace diversity is by attrition, and IF those doing the hiring do so in a fair, balanced and non-discriminatory way, the staffing will end up reflecting the demographics of the community it serves

The problem with this however is that in the US there is still very much an attitude of "Blacks need not apply" when it comes to applications for positions in public service and corporate employment. History has shown us that, in essence, these people cannot be trusted to act fairly or in a balanced and non-discriminatory way. If you don't realize this, then I'd have to ask which cave you have been living in for the past 50 years.
 
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smartcooky said:
The problem with this however is that in the US there is still very much an attitude of "Blacks need not apply" when it comes to applications for positions in public service and corporate employment. History has shown us that, in essence, these people cannot be trusted to act fairly or in a balanced and non-discriminatory way. If you don't realize this, then I'd have to ask which cave you have been living in for the past 50 years.
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I've been living in the "cave" of the USA. You?

What in the world does your paragraph have to do with this particular case? Nothing. Zero.

It is an attempt to turn this into a topic about the oppression of blacks.
 
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smartcooky said:
Its not hair-splitting if you understand what I'm saying (and I'd wager that most here do). Perhaps you need to step down off you high horse for a moment.

As I said in the post you responded to (which you, like your pal Warp12, completely ignore) "For clarity, I am all for the idea that an electoral board should fairly reflect the demographics of the district/area it represents - but this emphatically IS NOT the way to go about achieving it!"

The correct way to achieve workplace diversity is by attrition, and IF those doing the hiring do so in a fair, balanced and non-discriminatory way, the staffing will end up reflecting the demographics of the community it serves

The problem with this however is that in the US there is still very much an attitude of "Blacks need not apply" when it comes to applications for positions in public service and corporate employment. History has shown us that, in essence, these people cannot be trusted to act fairly or in a balanced and non-discriminatory way. If you don't realize this, then I'd have to ask which cave you have been living in for the past 50 years.
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Wrong. Simply hiring in a non-discriminatory way as positions naturally open up has not brought forth the diversity that the Woke seek. So they feel the need to find ways to maximize diversity by often loosening standards. Or simply rejecting applicants of a certain shade.
 
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Stacyhs said:
As much as it pains me to agree with Warp about anything, in this case I have to agree with both him and Hercules56. The Committee's own statements make the motivation clear. I wouldn't be surprised to hear this decision is reversed or that a lawsuit is filed.
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How do we know this is what the Committee actually wrote? All we have is the word of a neo-fascist propoganda rag, 95% of whose content is lies.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
How do we know this is what the Committee actually wrote? All we have is the word of a neo-fascist propoganda rag, 95% of whose content is lies.
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It is quoted in several places - now of course it could be a round robin of one report picking it up from another and so on but I would have thought we'd have seen a correction if that is the case.
 
Hercules56 said:
I'm curious if anyone here thinks its just for this guy to lose his job so a non-white can get the position, his great credentials be damned.

Anyone?
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What amazes me is that there's still people on here that think that Hercules56 is making a good faith argument, despite you naving done so once before.
 
Darat said:
It is quoted in several places - now of course it could be a round robin of one report picking it up from another and so on but I would have thought we'd have seen a correction if that is the case.
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I hadn't seen the other links at the time, but have now. I am still not convinced that this is just spin, because of the three other links I saw one was from sinclair media, which is as accurate as fox and the other two are opinion pieces not reporting.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I'm guessing those contract rules are union negotiated?
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No.

Or more accurately, not necessarily. Some civil service staff are union represented and negotiated. Some are not. Most non-civil service staff are not unionized, but still have contracts. All get the same benefit and retirement packages and are direct employees, not contractors. Even though we have contracts and appointments.

I only bring this up because the practice of hiring an independent contractor to avoid paying benefits muddles the terminology.
 
TomB said:
No.

Or more accurately, not necessarily. Some civil service staff are union represented and negotiated. Some are not. Most non-civil service staff are not unionized, but still have contracts. All get the same benefit and retirement packages and are direct employees, not contractors. Even though we have contracts and appointments.

I only bring this up because the practice of hiring an independent contractor to avoid paying benefits muddles the terminology.
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And in my non-government, white collar job I signed a contract. I thought all jobs had contracts, but then I found out most jobs don't have you sign an explicit contract? But you wouldn't describe me as on a contract.
 
TomB said:
No.

Or more accurately, not necessarily. Some civil service staff are union represented and negotiated. Some are not. Most non-civil service staff are not unionized, but still have contracts. All get the same benefit and retirement packages and are direct employees, not contractors. Even though we have contracts and appointments.

I only bring this up because the practice of hiring an independent contractor to avoid paying benefits muddles the terminology.
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Which is why in the UK when offering fixed term contracts you have to be very careful to not treat them like an employee. It appears there is some legislation in the USA that does something similar.

The issue we all have in regards to this is that it is unclear what type of contract he had. If it was indeed an independent contractor with a fixed term of 5 years then I doubt he has any redress under racial discrimination. If he had a fixed term employment contract I think they will be on very thin ice.
 
Darat said:
The issue we all have in regards to this is that it is unclear what type of contract he had. If it was indeed an independent contractor with a fixed term of 5 years then I doubt he has any redress under racial discrimination. If he had a fixed term employment contract I think they will be on very thin ice.
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Why do you say this?

Do you think that if the employer announces that your job is up for grabs due to your race, and not your performance, it is acceptable under US law?

It doesn't matter whether you are a contractor or not. If they had just shut their damn pieholes, this would not be an issue. Like I said, they need to learn from more experienced racists.
 
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