Hezbollah: take that

[fuelair]

Well, it is rather academic now. It appears the IDF is going in to secure the buffer zone themselves. In fact, they're there now.




That's cool. I realize the civil war started in 1975, and no, I don't remember much about it. It was still going on when the bombings in Beirut took place, however, and I most certainly do remember that. Oh, and I remember Warron Zevon singing about it in Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner.

AS

Wonderful song, talented singer/writer, miss him!!!

 

[fuelair]

"Hezbollah's headquarters compound in Bourj al-Barajneh is off limits to the Lebanese police and army, so security officials could not enter and confirm who was in the buildings that were destroyed."

Gee, I thought there were people clamoring for a ceasefire with Lebanon.

Wonder who made it off-limits???

 

[webfusion]

Wonder who made it off-limits???

Hezbollah.

They operate as an independent militia, and have de-facto control of the areas in which they maintain strongholds.

Those areas are being decimated by the IDF, and it is leaving them without civilian cover in more and more places. That is why there are civilian casualties, as the IDF tries to flush these armed militiamen out into the open, with no places left to hide, and confront them head-on (which is what the IDF is already doing with thousands of troops operating in South Lebanon).

To repeat, as I have noted on several other threads, the numbers of civilian casualties are relatively low, compared to what a full outright campaign to target civilians could accomplish; and beyond that, the numbers of Hezbollah fighters killed is not being reported at all, so it is entirely probable that among the 300+ fatalities, a lot of them are actually Hezbollah.
This, of course, is impossible to confirm, so they are all being listed as innocent civilians regardless.

 

[chipotle]

Fouad Siniora was just on CNN and he took a very hard line. No DMZ. No return of prisoners without a 'comprehensive agreement" that includes the return of all Lebanese prisoners in Israel and the transfer of Saba Farms.

 

[webfusion]

Al-Jazeera interview ----

Al-Jazeera has just broadcast a videotape. In it, Nasrallah says he is fine... and wasn't killed.
This video could be a hoax.
I would like to see clear evidence of Nasrallah appearing in public, that proves he is alive today.

All the major news outlets are taking the Al-Jazeera video at face value, and accepting that it was taped on Thursday, proving that Nasrallah is OK.

Let's keep our eyes open, and notice if Nasrallah appears anywhere else over the next few days.

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Overnight Thursday, the IDF attacked over 80 Hezbollah targets, including five Hezbollah organization structures and headquarters in Lebanon; 13 Hezbollah organization communication infrastructures; ten bridges and several roads; and a small airfield, in order to disrupt the transportation of terrorists. (--from idf website)

Also, in the South of Lebanon, leaflets have been dropped declaring that all vans, pickups and cargo trucks moving on the roads are "legitimate enemy targets" and will be destroyed by IAF on sight.

 

[chipotle]

Also, whole suburbs have been attacked, where people live.

With what weapon have entire suburbs been attacked? What are you trying to say? Weapons exist to damage unhardened things across a wide area. Are you saying those are being used?

 

[chipotle]

All the major news outlets are taking the Al-Jazeera video at face value, and accepting that it was taped on Thursday, proving that Nasrallah is OK.

Let's keep our eyes open, and notice if Nasrallah appears anywhere else over the next few days.

Web it's a little TGTBT that Nasrallah is dead. But he can't show up at the office either.

 

[webfusion]

All roads lead to Teheran

Fouad Siniora was just on CNN and he took a very hard line. No DMZ. No return of prisoners without a 'comprehensive agreement" that includes the return of all Lebanese prisoners in Israel and the transfer of Saba Farms.

Saba (Shebaa) Farms? That is a joke.
It is something that has been talked about for years, and not resolved, because of Syrian intransigence.


The salient is a part of the Israeli-occupied Syrian Golan Heights. If the Lebanese want it transferred, let 'em get official permission from Syria first! The United Nations recognizes Sheeba Farms as belonging to Syria. Look at a map, it's obviously an integral part of the Golan Heights (Har Dov Zone).


There is a simple reason this area was even mentioned right now ---
Iran does not want to deny Hezbollah the justification for maintaining its armed presence in southern Lebanon, along northern Israel, and Syria does Iran's bidding.

• The majority of the Lebanese people do not see the current situation at the Sheeba farms eye to eye with Syria and Hizbollah. They do not approve the approach Hizbollah is executing to free these farms from the Israeli occupation. The United Nations, Europe, majority of the Arab countries and the USA have confirmed that Israel has implemented the UN Resolution 425. Accordingly, the Sheeba farms are not covered by the UN Resolution 425, but a part of Resolution 242. It is worth mentioning that Sheeba farms fall outside the blue line of the Lebanese Israeli borders. These farms were within the Syrian border in 1967. Israel occupied the Syrian Golan Heights (including Har Dov) and accordingly are covered by the UN Resolution 242.

and from the same May 2001 article by Elias Bejjani:

• Lebanon has a well-trained and equipped army of 100.000 soldiers. It is capable to take control all over Lebanon and protect its citizens, if given the freedom to do so. It is becoming a necessity for national security to release the Lebanese army from its barracks and allow it to assume the responsibility of what it created for. It is more than capable of doing so.

Meanwhile, Ephraim Sneh, a former general and Labor Party leader who has consistently drawn attention to the approaching conflict with Iran, is saying that the current moment reminds him of the Spanish Civil War. The broader global forces are aligned; local actors are committed. It is a bloody test, a macabre dress rehearsal, for what lies over the horizon.

The war with Iran has begun.

 

[webfusion]

Asked of a_u_p: With what weapon have entire suburbs been attacked? What are you trying to say? Weapons exist to damage unhardened things across a wide area. Are you saying those are being used?

Please stop asking questions of a_u_p.
It is an endeavor that fails to produce clear replies.
For reference to what I'm talking about -- CLICK HERE:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1777107&postcount=42

I am not bickering with a_u_p !
I am stating a hard fact. He has not answered those questions yet.


ETA ---
The reason I am bringing it up here at all, is because 'a unique person' is slinging mud at Israel here in this thread, and did so also in a thread entitled "Israel itself is a mistake" which prompted me to try to bring about a dialogue, only to find that dialogue is not what a_u_p really seems to be interested in -- he is apparently concerned with casting aspersions and making charges without any substantiation whatsoever, and when asked to produce anything at all to back his words up, he goes away and finds another thread to pop into and gives another spiel about Israel, well now this time it's a remark about how Israel is attacking "whole neighborhoods", despite clear evidence to the contrary.