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Lebanon's Prime Minister Fouad Siniora just finished a live broadcast to his nation from Beirut.

Siniora denounced Israel, which he called "this savage war machine," but at no point in his address did he call for Hezbollah to put an immediate end to the hostilities it began, by returning the two kidnapped IDF soldiers.

It's as if that never happened.

He only wants 'international peacekeepers' to come in, but Israel will no way allow that, no chance. Lebanon is blockaded, shut down, completely being decimated piece by piece, section by section, until Hexbollocks fighters surrender, lay down their arms, and leave South Lebanon.

Israel requires that the three IDF soldiers are returned without any further insane demands of any kind from hezbollah or hamas. That is the bottom line.
 
Elind said:
I am contending that there is really no difference between the two conditions, except philosophically speaking. It is not simply a matter of who would run out of men first, and there are certainly a lot more hezbollah than you seem to think; the latter don't publish manpower statistics.
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Well, it is rather academic now. It appears the IDF is going in to secure the buffer zone themselves. In fact, they're there now.


No offense, but that comment validates my point. You don't remember the civil war. No relevance to suicide bombing against the US.
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That's cool. I realize the civil war started in 1975, and no, I don't remember much about it. It was still going on when the bombings in Beirut took place, however, and I most certainly do remember that. Oh, and I remember Warron Zevon singing about it in Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner.

AS
 
webfusion said:
Lebanon's Prime Minister Fouad Siniora just finished a live broadcast to his nation from Beirut.

Siniora denounced Israel, which he called "this savage war machine," but at no point in his address did he call for Hezbollah to put an immediate end to the hostilities it began, by returning the two kidnapped IDF soldiers.

It's as if that never happened.

He only wants 'international peacekeepers' to come in, but Israel will no way allow that, no chance. Lebanon is blockaded, shut down, completely being decimated piece by piece, section by section, until Hexbollocks fighters surrender, lay down their arms, and leave South Lebanon.

Israel requires that the three IDF soldiers are returned without any further insane demands of any kind from hezbollah or hamas. That is the bottom line.
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Yeah, that's why I said this call for a cease fire is a ploy. It's just to buy time, gain international sympathy, and get the monkey off Lebanon's back. Too late for that. The government had its chance at that and blew it.

Now the IDF is doing the Lebanese Army's work for them. They and the government will not get off without consequences.

AS
 
a_unique_person said:
And if they are correct? Will Lebanon become a puppet of Iran? Restraint may well have been the best option for Israel.
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You have got to be smoking some kind of crack. What a ridiculous comment.

a) Hisbollah IS a puppet of Iran - try reading some commentary by people who know the area like Taheri. There is no doubt that Iran supplies hisbollah and that it trains it.

b) there is no doubt that hisbollah controls southern lebanon - unless the same "inspiration" that came over you when you made your fatuous post obscures your abiliy to read.

So Israel should adopt a policy of "restraint" while it's soldiers are attacked and kidnapped ON ISRAELI soil? Why would a policy of "restraint" benefit them or the hostages? All it would do is make Israel dance to whatever the terrorists want to demand. Once you step down that road you are done.

Israel did the only thing strategically that it could have done.

I just hope that:

a) They eradicate all Syrian military units currently in Lebanon
b) they manage to depower hisbollah - I don't think eradicating it is an option but destroying its powerbase and leaving it open to the Lebanese army to move in would be a good start
c) That Hamas gets a good hard kick in the balls.
d) That the Europeans get off the kick of telling Israel what to do and start telling Iran to knock it off or face some real sanctions.

Oderint dum metuant
 
AmateurScientist said:
That's cool. I realize the civil war started in 1975, and no, I don't remember much about it. It was still going on when the bombings in Beirut took place, however, and I most certainly do remember that. Oh, and I remember Warron Zevon singing about it in Roland the Headless Thompson Gunner.

AS
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An afterthought; I should not have said "no relevance", but instead "no comparison"; just in case we are tempted by pedantisism:cool:
 
webfusion said:
Lebanon's Prime Minister Fouad Siniora just finished a live broadcast to his nation from Beirut.

Siniora denounced Israel, which he called "this savage war machine," but at no point in his address did he call for Hezbollah to put an immediate end to the hostilities it began, by returning the two kidnapped IDF soldiers.

It's as if that never happened.

He only wants 'international peacekeepers' to come in, but Israel will no way allow that, no chance. Lebanon is blockaded, shut down, completely being decimated piece by piece, section by section, until Hexbollocks fighters surrender, lay down their arms, and leave South Lebanon.

Israel requires that the three IDF soldiers are returned without any further insane demands of any kind from hezbollah or hamas. That is the bottom line.
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He is well aware that he will probably go to wherever Hariri is if he doesn't watch his tongue.

I can actually sypmpathize with him.
 
Elind said:
He is well aware that he will probably go to wherever Hariri is if he doesn't watch his tongue.

I can actually sypmpathize with him.
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Hmmm...and I was actually thinking that by displaying a lack of a pair that he blew his chance to use whatever influence he has to persuade some of his countrymen to resist Hezbollah (for instance, there have to be hundreds of opportunities daily to provide valuable intelligence to Israel) and to recognize that they are responsible for their country being destroyed little by little.

It would have been a risk, but at least he could have sided with those who will prevail in this action. Granted, he may have had to flee in the night afterwards, but he could have done something to save his country. Instead, he has further imperiled it.

He gets no sympathy from me.

AS
 
AmateurScientist said:
Hmmm...and I was actually thinking that by displaying a lack of a pair that he blew his chance to use whatever influence he has to persuade some of his countrymen to resist Hezbollah (for instance, there have to be hundreds of opportunities daily to provide valuable intelligence to Israel) and to recognize that they are responsible for their country being destroyed little by little.
AS
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Most non Shiites probably would like to get Hizbullah out, and no doubt Israel has spies among those, but I don't think you appreciate the difference between talk and action.

There is little point in talking tough if there is nothing you can follow up with. An analogy might be the never ending "negotiations" between the EU (mostly) and Iran. Hizbullah would kill him immediately if he said what you would like to hear.
 
This is an interesting departure from the norm:

"In a meeting of its 22 foreign ministers Saturday in Cairo, the League of Arab States did not mince words. "Behavior undertaken by some groups in apparent safeguarding of Arab interests does in fact harm those interests, allowing Israel and other parties from outside the Arab world (read Iran) to wreak havoc with the security and safety of all Arab countries."
 
Sketchy reports are now coming in that Hezbollah leader Sheikh Nasrallah has been killed in an IAF airstrike.

IDF officials said dozens of aircrafts dropped 23 tons of explosives on the bunker. The officials said top Hezbollah figures were thought to be there, possibly including Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah.

The officials said the bunker was in the Bourj al-Barajneh neighborhood of southern Beirut.

However, Hezbollah said in a statement on Thursday that none of its leaders were killed during the strike. "Hezbollah denies that any of its leaders or personnel were killed during the latest bombardment...in the southern suburb," the group said in the statement.

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23 tons of bombs rains out of the sky onto a 'southern residential suburb' and nobody got injured? What's up with that? Not even a few innocent babies killed? How is that possible?
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Very disappointing. The IAF needs to review that mission and see what went wrong. With 23 tons of explosives, I would at least have expected a few hundred fatailities and thousands injured -- yet, there is the Hezbollah report denying it. Go figure.
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webfusion said:
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23 tons of bombs rains out of the sky onto a 'southern residential suburb' and nobody got injured? What's up with that? Not even a few innocent babies killed? How is that possible?
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Well, according to Hizbullah TV, the IAF dropped 23 tons of bombs on "a mosque that was being built for prayer". (Might be true. Then again, according to Hizbullah TV, jews butcher Muslim babies for Matzos.) Clearly, Allah had intervened and saved those working at the place from harm from the zionist bombs.

Let us assume that that's true, by the way. The IAF had deliberately bombed one semi-built mosque in a Lebanese suburb with 23 tons of bombs, completely destroying it but hurting nobody around it. While this would certainly make one wonder about the decision-making in the IAF command, it more or less completely disproves the "indiscriminate bombing of civilians" claim, doesn't it? Whatever else you would say about such bombing, indiscriminate it isn't.
 
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Check this out ---

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/741100.html
Al-Jazeera has just broadcast a videotape. In it, Nasrallah says he is fine... and wasn't killed.

What would you say if I told you that the taped interview was prepared in advance, and was held by the Hezbollah just for the eventuality that Nasrallah was killed -- and they are trying to provide a cover story which shows him being alive, and urging his followers to stay the course.

This video could be a hoax.
I would like to see clear evidence of Nasrallah appearing in public, that proves he is alive today.

Call me skeptical... but when 23 tons of IAF ordnance drops out of the sky and misses the intended target individual, something doesn't add up.

  • "It seems that the enemy wants to cover up its military and security failures with lies and claims of imaginary achievements," said an initial statement the Hezbollah faxed to The Associated Press.

    Interviewed on CNN early Thursday, Israel's ambassador to the United Nations, Dan Gillerman, said Israel would not issue a statement about the attack until it is sure of all the facts. But he added, "I can assure you that we know exactly what we hit. ... This was no religious site. This was indeed the headquarters of the Hezbollah leadership."

    There still is still no word of casualties in the incident from Hezbollah or Lebanese officials (as of late Thursday night). Hezbollah's headquarters compound in Bourj al-Barajneh is off limits to the Lebanese police and army, so security officials could not enter and confirm who was in the buildings that were destroyed.
 
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"Hezbollah's headquarters compound in Bourj al-Barajneh is off limits to the Lebanese police and army, so security officials could not enter and confirm who was in the buildings that were destroyed."

Gee, I thought there were people clamoring for a ceasefire with Lebanon.
 
Elind said:
Did you read any of the comments following this article?

At least one doesn't like him much, but most are probably a good example of the Middle East mindset.
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I find the comments sick

More reason to start nuking nations that cater and support terrorists.
 
webfusion said:
What would you say if I told you that the taped interview was prepared in advance, and was held by the Hezbollah just for the eventuality that Nasrallah was killed -- and they are trying to provide a cover story which shows him being alive, and urging his followers to stay the course.
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I would say that to these people creating really good propaganda is second nature.
 
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