Herbal Healing

[Dr Adequate]

I don't honestly believe you when you say you've never done anything like I've mentioned.

Yes, you've made your delusion quite clear. You believe that almost everyone must be such a low, cynical, parasitic swindler that they would steal charitable donations ("who wouldn't?" you ask). In your repulsive world-view, nearly the whole of humanity are selfish, compassionless, lying, swindling, cheating filth.

Except for "psychics". They are honest as the day is long.

 

[Hellbound]

Except for "psychics". They are honest as the day is long.

Well of course, Dr. A. I mean, if they weren't honest, the spirits wouldn't talk to them and their powers wouldn't work! They'd have to fake it!

 

[jambo372]

Dr Adequate
Who do you think you are ? Mother Teresa mark 2 ?
You're ranting on as if you had never told a lie in your life.

When I say psychics don't lie I mean they don't lie about their mediumship or work for spirit or the techniques they use - and at that I am only referring to some, not all, psychics. They may lie about other affairs for all I know but I don't particularly care.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Of course you don't care. You don't care that they can't prove anything they say. You don't care that we can prove they're lying. All you care is that somehow you can still feed your beliefs. The old "Emperor's New Clothes" syndrome. You can't believe the truth, it means somehow your world isn't as it seems.

That's okay. At least you're not one of the "psychics" taking peoples' money. You're just a person who wants to believe.

Just learn something now and then and then visit your beliefs periodically with a skeptical eye. It won't hurt to do that.

 

[Suezoled]

Okay, how many times is Jambo going to keep saying "I don't care" as if that will convince others that what people are saying (mainly about his inconsistencies, his motivations, his outlook on fraud and deceit, etc) about him doesn't bother him.

No, really, he doesn't care.
Nope, not at all. Well you can call him a fraud and compare it to, say, another sort of crime, but nope, he doesn't care after all.
I mean, why should he care?
Of course he doesn't care.
I mean, if he cared, he wouldn't be saying so often "I don't care" and then coming back with more statements that are rebutted and then of course he has to state again -just in case we forgot- that he doesn't care.
Just because some people are honest and choose not to defraud others because that perpetuates gullibility and ill will, doesn't mean that Jambo cares.
I mean, he defrauds people and knows it but he doesn't care about how others feel.
No, he means it.
He doesn't care.
That's why he has to keep coming back; to remind us how much he doesn't care.

 

[Dr Adequate]

You're ranting on as if you had never told a lie in your life.

No, you stupid little liar, I am "ranting on as if" you accused me of being, like you, sufficiently vile and disgusting as to comit the same degrading crimes as you. You did indeed make this accusation, and it is a filthy and disgusting lie, like practically everything else you post. Please do not accuse me, ever again, of being like you. It is a hideous and vicious slander.

 

[Mojo]

Not being religious, I cannot put my finger on the exact spot where God forbids fraud; it does not seem to be part of the ten commandments as I know them

I can't remember what number it is, but I'm pretty sure one of them says "thou shalt not steal."

 

[Rolfe]

Steenkh
Have you never heard the expression turn or burn ?
You can be forgiven and as I've said I only did it a few times - I know lots of people who've also did it more so than myself.

Jambo, I can only assume that you're very young, and haven't had the benefit of association with genuinely moral people, whether religious believers or not (and many nonbelievers are extremely moral, by the way).

"You can be forgiven." Yes, if you truly repent. However, gleefully continuing to sin with the intention of staging a deathbed repentance is probably one of the surest roads to Hell described in religious literature for centuries. Excusing yourself by asserting that others are worse than you is another common variant. If you really had any understanding of what you were doing, you would stop, you would beg forgiveness, and you'd do it now. You'd also try to do anything you could to repay the money you stole, either by returning it to the donors, or passing it on, with interest, to the charities who should have had it in the first place.

This is what following Christ is about. It's about trying to live a Christ-like life now, because that's the way to true happiness and joy. And if you don't understand that, it's because you're not following Christ, whatever it is you think you're doing.

I'm not sure if I believe in a personal devil, but let's just assume for the moment that I do, because it's the easiest way to explain this to you. Tricking people into believing that they're one of "the elect", and so will go to heaven no matter what (either by predestination, or by a deathbed repentance), and then tempting them into sin and immorality, is one of Satan's oldest snares. You've walked into it with both feet.

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Jambo, you're a tinkling cymbal. You're selfish, and the only person you care about is yourself. And you're not even trying to live a better life. Yes, the vilest sinner who truly repents will be forgiven, but to go through life sinning at will, with the little caveat that it will all be OK because I'll repent later, is a perfect recipe for being entirely unable to do that, because the very sense of morality that should have you recoiling in horror as you understand the vileness of your actions will be atrophied and useless.

Love God, and do what you like.

I don't know who said that, but it's a profound truth. If you truly love God, you can do what you like, because what you like will be pleasing to God.

You're so far away from this that I don't think you even see what the problem is. Well, think about it, before your entire sense of right and wrong is completely destroyed.

Rolfe.

 

[jambo372]

Dr Adequate

Originally posted by myself :
"You're ranting on as if you've never told a lie in your life."

I never said you were on the same level as me you ignoramus. You are indeed very different from me and I can't honestly say I would ever want to be like you.
See above - I was merely pointing out that you criticise others but rave on as if the sun shines out of your arse.
I never denied I had done wrong - I just don't honestly think for a moment that you have never lied yourself.

" Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Rolfe
I never said I had never repented or that I continued to con, indeed I have more than made up for it by paying money to genuine causes.

 

[Ashles]

Just give up on this thread jambo, you're contradictions are piling up:

Quotes from Jambo:
"I am not ashamed of what I've attempted I just won't discuss it."
"I do want to get a job - but when you think about it it's a bit stupid to work for money when by using fraud you just sit on your arse, enjoy yourself and get gradually richer. You could also work and be a con artist as well - get double the money."
"I don't feel great about actually taking the money - it's what I can do with it that excites me."


And this new one is great:

I never said you were on the same level as me you ignoramus. You are indeed very different from me and I can't honestly say I would ever want to be like you.
See above - I was merely pointing out that you criticise others but rave on as if the sun shines out of your arse.
I never denied I had done wrong - I just don't honestly think for a moment that you have never lied yourself.

" Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

Wow. Can you even SPELL hypocrite let alone understand the meaning of the word?

You are in no position to lecture anyone about anything. You sound like an amoral, self-serving, over-rationalising, cynical, hypocritical, fraudulent adolescent.
Maybe you aren't actually like this, but everything you have said points to this.
You try to sound cool with your criminal tendences. You fail.
You try to claim moral equality with those who criticise you. You fail.
You try to wiggle and squirm out of what you have said. You fail.
You try to sound apologetic. You fail.
You try to come across as spiritual. You fail.
You try to justify your crimes by comparison to others. You fail.

You have tried almost every position now on this thread and they all disagree with each other.

I don't believe for one second that you have tried to repay any of the money.

But then it shouldn't really matter whether I do or not. It's your conscience and your life.

If you do keep doing this kind of stuff you will get caught. You are not a very convincing liar. And it sounds like you you are one of those kids who do whatever the crowd tell you to do - those kids almost always are the ones who get caught.

 

[Rolfe]

I never said I had never repented or that I continued to con,....

Really?

"I am not ashamed of what I've attempted...."

and similar other remarks.

Repenting is being ashamed of what you've done.

Rolfe.

 

[Dr Adequate]

I never said you were on the same level as me you ignoramus.

Yes you did, you disgusting little liar:

Dr Adequate
I am not ashamed of what I've attempted I just won't discuss it.
I don't honestly believe you when you say you've never done anything like I've mentioned.

There is no point in lying about the contents of your posts any more than about the contents of mine. We can all read, and see what a halfwitted liar you are.

You are indeed very different from me and I can't honestly say I would ever want to be like you.

No, that would involve you stopping lying and stealing. And you'd have to grow up.

See above - I was merely pointing out that you criticise others but rave on as if the sun shines out of your arse.

I have made no such claim. I would, however, claim not to be degraded filth.

I never denied I had done wrong

Liar.

- I just don't honestly think for a moment that you have never lied yourself.

Of course I have. And I have never claimed otherwise.

" Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

(1) Do not quote Jesus to me, you filthy hypocrite. I might puke.

(2) I am not proposing to stone you to death. I am telling you that what you have done is wrong. Only a stupid hysterical child could equate the two things.

 

[jambo372]

Rolfe
Quote originally from me posted by Rolfe :

"I am not ashamed of what I've attempted ..."

Quote from Rolfe :

"Repenting is being ashamed of what you've done."

I've always thought of repentance as a combination of the following :

a) Admitting what you've done.
b) Appologising for what you've done.
c) Where possible physically making up for what you've done by carrying out tasks to outweigh it.
d) Never repeating the crime.

If repenting was as simple as being ashamed of what you've done then the Lord would forgive you just for feeling guilty about it.

Dr Adequate

"Yes you did you disgusting little liar."

Provide a quotation proving this.

"No that would have to involve stopping lying and stealing."

and then some ...

"Of course I have and I've never claimed otherwise."

In the latter of these 2 quotes you admit you've lied. In the former you say in order to be like you I'd have to stop lying. i sense complete contradiction you putrid ignoramus ... oh the hypocrisy !

Dr A quoting myself ;

" I never denied I had done wrong."

Provide a quotation giving evidence to support the contrary.

"Don't quote Jesus to me you filthy hypocrite."

I can and will quote the Good Lord if I want.

" I might puke ."

Bringing into consideration the fact that I won't be present to witness it, i couldn't be less bothered.

" I am not proposing to stone you to death."

Very different case - highly similar concept. I was making a comparison not declaring the two cases as equivalent.

" I have made no such claim."

Taking into account that you admit to being imperfect yourself it would be a wise precaution not to judge others.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Provide a quotation proving this.

I did in the post I made, you halfwit, but just so that everyone can see what a pathetic halfwitted liar you are, here it is again.

Yes you did, you disgusting little liar:

Dr Adequate
I am not ashamed of what I've attempted I just won't discuss it. I don't honestly believe you when you say you've never done anything like I've mentioned.

There is no point in lying about the contents of your posts any more than about the contents of mine. We can all read, and see what a halfwitted liar you are.

In the latter of these 2 quotes you admit you've lied. In the former you say in order to be like you I'd have to stop lying. i sense complete contradiction you putrid ignoramus ... oh the hypocrisy !

Hypocrisy! I see you've learned a new word! Ahhh. Our little sociopath is growing up so fast! So I'm a "putrid ignoramus" and a professional scientist; and a "hypocrite" who publically admits to his faults... oh the irony.

I do indeed tell a few lies, like "I'm OK" when I'm not. I do not continualy drivel out a stream of filthy halfwitted lies, nor do I lie in order to swindle people and then boast about it in public. So, let's make it clear, since you have detected a "contradiction". In order to be like more like me, you must stop continually vomiting out disgusting halfwitted criminal nonsense. Nor should you trample the name of Jesus into this disgusting bile.

 

[jambo372]

Dr Adequate
Dr Adequate quoting myself:

"I'm not ashamed of what I've attempted - I just won't discuss it. I don't honestly believe you've never done anything like what I've mentioned."

The key word was like, I never said you had done the same as me - you admit yourself you've lied.

Scientists are no less likely to be hypocrites than anyone else.

I don't boast about my so called 'swindling'.

The name of Jesus ? - Why would a sceptic believe in Jesus anyway ? I mention Jesus because he is the final judge - not you or anyone else.

Perhaps you picked me up wrongly before ... don't lecture me on how to be like you ... if I was like you I think I'd shoot myself.

 

[Rolfe]

I've always thought of repentance as a combination of the following :

a) Admitting what you've done.
b) Appologising for what you've done.
c) Where possible physically making up for what you've done by carrying out tasks to outweigh it.
d) Never repeating the crime.

If repenting was as simple as being ashamed of what you've done then the Lord would forgive you just for feeling guilty about it.

You seriously don't get it, do you?

If you really, genuinely understand the evil that you've done, and are genuinely ashamed of it, and genuinely sorry for it, then you will, inevitably, do all of the above to the very best of your ability.

If, however, you merely go through the motions, a to d, without feeling any shame or any remorse, there is no repentance.

You didn't read what I said about tinkling cymbals, did you?

God sees into your heart, you disgusting little creep. He understands when repentance is sincere, or mere lip-service aimed at avoiding the "bad fire". He loves you, but because of that very same love, he cannot tolerate evil within you. True repentence, truly accepting the infinite mercy and infinite forgiveness, is what's needed. Insincere "going through the motions" means nothing.

You're so ensnared in your smugness that you don't even realise what's going on. With every uncaring sin against another, every excuse that someone else is even worse and never mind I'll repent later, your natural sense of right and wrong, your very ability to understand that you're doing evil, is eroded. Eventually (if not already), you'll be incapable of true repentance, because the sense of shame will have gone.

Then, God help you indeed.

Rolfe.

 

[Dr Adequate]

The key word was like, I never said you had done the same as me - you admit yourself you've lied.

The last retreat "You have caught me lying again and again, so now I'm going to pretend I didn't mean what I said." So, any little white lie is "like" what you did. Except in being a filthy swindle. So long as I am not "like" you in that way, then that's fine. All I claimed was that I was not filth like you, and if you acede to that, and will stop telling halfwitted lies, that's fine.

I don't boast about my so called 'swindling'.

Yes you do, you disgusting little liar:

Like the idea of professional con artist but I don't really consider it a profession - the simple schemes can make quite a bit of money and be quite fun ie taking money for a non - existent charity event - you should try it - you end up loaded.

You boasted of it publicly and advocated it. Can't you go a single paragraph without telling some halfwitted lie apparent to every reader of this thread?

Perhaps you picked me up wrongly before ... don't lecture me on how to be like you ... if I was like you I think I'd shoot myself.

No, if you were like me you'd would hoot with laughter at the halfwitted ravings of a delusional teenage sociopath who boasts of his piety in one breath and his crimes in another. That's what you'd do if you were like me. By the way, you're in breach of forum rules.

 

[misawafan]

So I'm a "putrid ignoramus" and a professional scientist; and a "hypocrite" who publically admits to his faults... oh the irony.

You know, it's one thing to be called a "putrid ignoramus" and even more painful to be called a "hypocrite", but to be called a "professional scientist"? That's taking things way too far...

 

[flyboy217]

Re: Re: Herbal Healing

...substances that were originally discovered in plants. Examples include penicillin and related antibiotics...

Come again? How was the discovery of penicillin related to plants?

 

[Hellbound]

Re: Re: Re: Herbal Healing

Come again? How was the discovery of penicillin related to plants?

Well, it comes from a mold, and many people equate molds and plants...

What are molds classified as now, anyway?