Herbal Healing

[jambo372]

Ashles
Yes - I told the optician about the orbs, she examined my eyes and said nothing was wrong with them an just gave me a new set of contact lenses.

Dr Adequate, Ashles and Yaotl
Just about everybody I know has done it at least once.

Dr Adequate where did you come up with six billion from ?

You're taking it too far - it's not as if you've ripped them off prim & proper - at most you'd only get £5 per person but it's the amount of people that counts - £2 from 100 people is £200 and there's no limit to how many people you take money from ... get the concept ... it amounts, and if they look poor just don't accept the money.

Self - Respect ? That's why you do it - to get money to respect ( pamper ) yourself with.

 

[Yaotl]

Ashles
Yes - I told the optician about the orbs, she examined my eyes and said nothing was wrong with them an just gave me a new set of contact lenses.

Dr Adequate, Ashles and Yaotl
Just about everybody I know has done it at least once.

Dr Adequate where did you come up with six billion from ?

You're taking it too far - it's not as if you've ripped them off prim & proper - at most you'd only get £5 per person but it's the amount of people that counts - £2 from 100 people is £200 and there's no limit to how many people you take money from ... get the concept ... it amounts, and if they look poor just don't accept the money.

Self - Respect ? That's why you do it - to get money to respect ( pamper ) yourself with.

I don't even know how to respond to that, you're as bad as 1inC.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Dr Adequate where did you come up with six billion from ?

Approximately the current population of the Earth. Hence, approximately the number of people who haven't stooped so low.

Self - Respect ? That's why you do it - to get money to respect ( pamper ) yourself with.

That's what self-respect means to you?

 

[Ashles]

Ashles
Yes - I told the optician about the orbs, she examined my eyes and said nothing was wrong with them an just gave me a new set of contact lenses.

this is either untrue or you have an extremely incompetent optician.
You need to see a doctor

Self - Respect ? That's why you do it - to get money to respect ( pamper ) yourself with.

So you can happily do immoral, fraudulent things that take money off others so long as it makes you feel good?
That's pretty disgusting in most people's books.

Just about everybody I know has done it at least once.

So that's the type of people you hand around with is it Jambo? Cheats and liars?
Presumably many of these are also the 'sensitives' and 'readers' you talk about a lot.

Great advert for the believers Jambo. Real impressive.

I hope you grow up someday. I really do.
The believing in every paranormal ability going is one thing, but defrauding people of money they thought they wee giving to charity. That makes you pretty low. Or very gullible to follow whatever your group of 'friends' do.
I'm quite saddened by this turn of events.

 

[jambo372]

There's nothing wrong with 1 in c . (s)he makes more sense than most people on this forum.

 

[Ashles]

There's nothing wrong with 1 in c . (s)he makes more sense than most people on this forum.

You're either trolling now or a genuine idiot.

 

[jambo372]

Ashles
I'll decide myself whether I need to see a doctor - my optician is one of the best around.

Yes - I can do it and I don't feel good about it - I feel great about it. My personal morals have nothing to do with anything on this forum anyway, I am certainly not most people and as I've said I know lots of other people who've done this at least once.

I can hang about with whoever I like - and now that you mention it I don't ask mediums if they do that - I know they don't - the people I was talking about are mostly sceptics anyway.

What is wrong with 1 in C ?

Dr Adequate
Get real - out of six billion people I and only a select few others are the only ones who have ever done this or anything else immoral. The following people are or were part of this population which according to you must be so moral :

Ian Huntley
Ian Brady
Jack the Ripper
Fred and Rosemary West
Myra Hindley
Peter Manuel
Gary Glitter
Jeffrey Archer
Johnathon King
Harold Shipman
Peter Sutcliffe
Vlad the Impaler
Mary Bell ... amongst so many others.
Looks like there arefar more people about with imperfect morals than you estimated.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Dr Adequate
Get real - out of six billion people I and only a select few others are the only ones who have ever done this or anything else immoral.

I did not say "or anything else immoral". Please do not lie to me about my own point of view, especially as, since we are in public, other people can read your posts, and mine, and see that you are a liar.

The following people are or were part of this population which according to you must be so moral :

I suppose it's useless to point out to you that telling lies is wrong? But perhaps if you consider that it makes you look halfwitted...

Ian Huntley
Ian Brady
Jack the Ripper
Fred and Rosemary West
Myra Hindley
Peter Manuel
Gary Glitter
Jeffrey Archer
Johnathon King
Harold Shipman
Peter Sutcliffe
Vlad the Impaler
Mary Bell ... amongst so many others.

I was merely discussing your own despicable crime, but if you want to appeal to these people as evidence that your behaviour is normal, then let's examine that view. I never said that there were no such people as serial killers, swindlers and paedophiles. Indeed, I am currently communicating with a person who is a self-declared swindler. I maintain that the majority of the human race --- the vast majority --- are neither serial killers, swindlers, nor paedophiles, because they have more decency.

Many of the people you've listed are dead.

Of the half-dozen or so who aren't... please subtract six from approximately six billion, and what do you get?

Approximately six billion. You could subtract every single serial killer, swindler and paedophile and you'd still get approx. six billion.

Looks like there arefar more people about with imperfect morals than you estimated.

I gave no such estimate. But I did say that most people were too decent to stoop as low as you have, and I stick by that. Listing a handful of evil people does not overturn that statistic, as you would realise if you weren't so... so you. Even to get the figure down from approx six billion to approx. five billion would require that you demonstrate that one-sixth of the human race is as corrupt and degraded as you are.

 

[Ashles]

I'll decide myself whether I need to see a doctor - my optician is one of the best around.

Yes - I can do it and I don't feel good about it - I feel great about it. My personal morals have nothing to do with anything on this forum anyway, I am certainly not most people and as I've said I know lots of other people who've done this at least once.

I can hang about with whoever I like - and now that you mention it I don't ask mediums if they do that - I know they don't - the people I was talking about are mostly sceptics anyway.

Well I find it very hard to believe anything you say now Jambo. Suddenly, when it becomes apparent that all your friends are charity defrauding criminals, they suddenly turn out to be sceptics? Real convenient. Real unconvincing.
A decent optician would definitely refer you if you constantly saw orbs. Certainly for preliminary testing at least.
Thus - your optician isn't competent or you are lying.

I can do it and I don't feel good about it - I feel great about it

Great - that is money that should have been with charities now. Let's hope you never have need of any of their services.
Let's hope if people cheat you or steal from you accept it totally as fair enough.

You've really started sounding quite childish now.

 

[jambo372]

Ashles
My friends aren't criminals - not all of them have done that anyway just the vast majority.

My optician wouldn't have been given her job if she was incompetent.

I don't feel great about actually taking the money - it's what I can do with it that excites me. I am not proud of it but have attempted and fantasized about doing far worse which I will not discuss.

Dr Adequate
I just mentioned the people in that list as examples ;
there are far more people who've done worse than me ... you're beginning to sound as if you must have saintly principles.

I am not corrupt - you must just be Mother Teresa mark 2 or something.

 

[Dr Adequate]

I am not proud of it but have attempted and fantasized about doing far worse which I will not discuss.

You've attempted to do far worse? I'm glad that you're at least too ashamed to discuss it. It's better than boasting about it.

Dr Adequate
I just mentioned the people in that list as examples ;
there are far more people who've done worse than me ...

Agreed. Of those who are still alive --- do they number in their billions? They do not. Excusing your despicable theft by referring to the existence of serial killers... well, well, what a logician. Yes, I suppose you will always be able to point to someone worse than you, and take that, in your mixed up mind, as an excuse for whatever selfish, hateful and debasing thing you want to do.

you're beginning to sound as if you must have saintly principles.

Yes. Like everyone else, it's the practical test that gives me problems. But saintly principles? Yup. These, for example, might apply:

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
"Thou shalt not bear false witness."
"Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness."
"What shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?"

 

[Ashles]

My friends aren't criminals - not all of them have done that anyway just the vast majority.

It's illegal to pose as a charity worker and to obtain money by deception.
They've committed a crime, and sound like they still are - they're criminals.

My optician wouldn't have been given her job if she was incompetent.

Again, when you are older you will discover that incompetent people gets jobs everywhere, and at all levels.
If she didn't refer you after you complain of floating orbs and she can't find any problem with your eyes she's incompetent. Simple as that.
Still, don't believe me if you don't want to - it's your body these things are happening to. If you've got a brain disorder and don't visit the doctor it won't be me who has the subsequent health problems.

I don't feel great about actually taking the money - it's what I can do with it that excites me. I am not proud of it but have attempted and fantasized about doing far worse which I will not discuss.

Yeah, people do steal because they want to spend the money. We all kind of know this already.
You will probably get caught sooner or later (particularly if you are thinking of doing worse things) so good luck trying to get on in life with a criminal record.

Seems like not a very clever or inspirational or 'spiritual' way to start your life, but they're your choices. Let's hope you don't come to regret them.

 

[jambo372]

Ashles
How would you know what opticians are supposed to do in the mentioned circumstances ?

I never stole anything - they hand it over willingly.

Get caught - It's not as if I do it all the time - just once in a blue moon. Who would catch us anyway ? The police ?? lol.

Dr Adequate
I am not ashamed of what I've attempted I just won't discuss it.
I don't honestly believe you when you say you've never done anything like I've mentioned.

 

[Ashles]

How would you know what opticians are supposed to do in the mentioned circumstances ?

Well I have studied enough experimental psychology to know that visual problems without an obvious eye defect are often connected with brain disorders - chemical imbalance, pressure, damage, growths etc.
Don't believe me? Ask a doctor.

I never stole anything - they hand it over willingly.

Yes that's called fraud and deception.

Get caught - It's not as if I do it all the time - just once in a blue moon. Who would catch us anyway ? The police ?? lol

Yes you are of course the very first person to ever think like this. And there's no-one with a criminal record, is there?

 

[misawafan]

Again, when you are older you will discover that incompetent people gets jobs everywhere, and at all levels.

With a particularly high percentage in management...

 

[jambo372]

Ashles
What has experimental psychology to do with anything ?
I'm not daft - I know visual disturbances can be related to the brain but you're no specialist - how do you know when an optician should refer to a doctor ?
Anyway I wouldn't ask my doctor for anything - he can't tell the difference between a stroke and a UTI or acne and impetigo.

How would I get caught ? - They'd think it was for charity or sponsored events.

Fraud and theft are entirely different.

 

[Hellbound]

Ashles
What has experimental psychology to do with anything ?
I'm not daft - I know visual disturbances can be related to the brain but you're no specialist - how do you know when an optician should refer to a doctor ?
Anyway I wouldn't ask my doctor for anything - he can't tell the difference between a stroke and a UTI or acne and impetigo.

How would I get caught ? - They'd think it was for charity or sponsored events.

Fraud and theft are entirely different.

Only in method. It's theft. There are multiple types of theft:

Burglary-theft by breaking into an area assumed private in order to remove items.
Robbery-theft by use or threat of force.
Larceny-theft by stealth, such as shoplifting or pickpocketing.
Fraud-theft by misrepresentation or omission.

And you can get caught. It happened a few years back where I live. Some people claimed to be collecting money for United Way.

Of course, in addition to being illegal, it's a despicable practice. You're lying to people in order to take their money. What you're doing is akin to a car dealer taking a customers money for a new Mercedes and then delivering them a Pinto. They intend to help someone less fortunate, but instead you give the finger to their wishes and blow the money on yourself, because you are apparantly too lazy or too incompetant to work for a living. It's theft by deception. That's pretty much the definition of fraud.

You are an admitted theif and liar, sir. That in itself can be forgiven, we all make mistakes. The reprehensible part is your defense of your theft.

Oddly enough, you'll probably fit right in with the herbalism and sCAM crowd.

Some links:
http://www.ftc.gov/charityfraud/
http://www.seniormag.com/legal/charity fraud.htm
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/092404_ns_charity_fraud.html
http://www.lapdonline.org/releases/2000/05/ovb1.htm--notice here they specifically refer to it as theft.

Your position is unsupportable and, frankly, disgusting.

 

[jambo372]

Huntsman
I don't consider it to be theft - they KNOW they're giving the money and are perfectly WILLING to do so.

I do want to get a job - but when you think about it it's a bit stupid to work for money when by using fraud you just sit on your arse, enjoy yourself and get gradually richer. You could also work and be a con artist as well - get double the money.

Dr Adequate
What are you so bothered about anyway ? Earlier on you advised me to be a professional con artist.

 

[jambo372]

Disgusting - you talk about it as if I'm a rapist or some kind of pervert.

 

[Hellbound]

Disgusting - you talk about it as if I'm a rapist or some kind of pervert.

That's about the level I place it with.

Yes, people give you money willingly, but ONLY becaue they expect it to go to something worthwhile, not to you.

And whether or not you consider it theft is not relavent. It is theft. Just as I might not consider running people over with my truck as murder, but the law has a different view.

Just like a rapist, you seem determined to defend your actions as being moral, when they are the farthest of the sort. Your comments remind me of the "she was asking for it" argument used by rapists to justify their actions.

Yes, disgusting.

Why don't we discuss your theories on why it's not theft with the FTC? I'm sure they would see the reasonable nature of your arguments.

Frankly, your attitude is the reason that many of us have very little use for and very short tempers with those who advocate alternative medicine practices. It's quite simply a field where practitioners don't give a flying ◊◊◊◊ about the patients lives or health, but get to feel important without having to work through med school, and get to rake in money for selling useless bottles of water or weeds from their back yard.

It is the same type of attitude, the same level of care and empathy for their fellow man, that is displayed by rapists, pedophiles, and murderers.

Disgusting.